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angel-dust

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Bluelighter
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i hear cop stories all the time about how a bunch of cops cant get a man in hand cuffs cause he is on "ANGELDUST/PCP)"...why are they so hard to get control of,i thought it made you hallucinate ...what gives them extra-ordinary strength?......i always thought that it would be hard to control somone when they are tweaking rather than on pcp..but i dont know much about it soo..(when on meth you have increases in energy ,focus,alertness...and wouldnt they have a bit more strength to ...?
can somone explain...
 
PCP (at relatively high doses) *can* be somewhat like Ketamine. Typically PCP is rather dissociative and is also an analgesic. It renders the user often very confused and sometimes frightened. The strength comes from the fright of being arrested and not knowing what's going on. The user typically can't feel much pain and so they are more willing to keep fighting.
Now meth, definitely this drug would do the same to the user in terms of being resistant to arrest. About a year ago, in my neck of the woods, cops were trying to crack down on meth usage and distribution and went to the media. They claimed that methamphetamine would "turn a 14 year old girl into a 250 lb linebacker". Well, I imagine what they meant was that it would give the 14 year old incredible strength and quickness rather than actually some kind of metamorphosis, but then again, cops do have a way of twisting the truth from time to time don't they? ; P
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Heh. The one time I used PCP I felt a little cocky, but that was about it. I was aware of my surroundings, and didn't flip over any cop cars, or punch through any plate glass windows...
Needless to say, I'm dissapointed.
If cops didn't have drugs and alcohol to blame violent behavior on, I'm sure they'd just claim in the police report that you turned into The Incredible Hulk, and therefore had to beat you into submission.
 
ok, so this isn't a story about me & pcp, but it is a tale of me and my supposedly super-human strength, a 4-day meth binge and cops w/handcuffs:
i had been doing meth since friday afternoon, and just returning to campus, still tweeking pretty hard. in the parking lot @ school i decided to clean out my car before i headed to class, so i clean and i clean, and what do i see before my very eyes? a rock, yes a prescious rock of crystally-goodness which i rescue from the car floor and deposit into a little crack baggie. i was being a stupid fucking tweeker and left the bag in plain view on the car seat as i continued to clean out the car. yeah, i know, really fucking stupid mistake, but hey, i hadn't slept in awhile and wasn't exactly in the shape to make brilliant decisions. enter: police officer. seeing said baggie lying on the seat of the car as he approaches me, asks what it is and proceeds to arrest yours truly.
here comes the only relevant part of the story: this guy calls for a back-up officer and this hefty black d00d arrives. the officer tells him "she's dangerous. really keep your eye on her b/c she could jump up and disarm you at any moment". ha- i was flattered, but certainly not in the mood to jump up and disarm a cop while hancuffed.
 
I can't find the link, but there have been documented case of this happening - the drug doesn't really "make you stronger", it's like an adrenaline thing - like how some old lady could get a piano out of her burning house.. of course "the man" wants it to sound like if you use PCP then you will occupy 100% of your time punching brick walls and jumping off 40 story buildings ("because he thought he was superman and could fly") ..
 
It's called "motivation with a high pain tolerance", according to cops and people who sell stun guns. It doesn't always have to do with you being high/drunk/insane/whatever. I had a cousin who was kicked out of a police academy for being too violent, and this was one of the things they taught about resisting arrest. If someone's in the right frame of mind, they'll fight back against cops and superior numbers, no matter how much the odds are stacked against them.
Don't get me wrong, fighting on drugs/drunk is great, if you happen to be winning. If not, it's easy to panic and get stomped.
 
I just want to be another vouch that PCP itself does not generally make a user violent.
Any time I've used it, I've always become the exact opposite. For as much as PCP as compared to ketamine, it's so much more beyond even it's analgesic effects. It's very mood altering. In my experience it's always had positive effects on my mood.
I have seen people get violent on it, however. It wasn't just they smoked it and instantly went into a rage. High doses leave you completely disorientated and confused on top of hallucinating. You have little idea what is going on. People can easily begin to feel threatened. In one case I saw, a guy was just really out of it. Another one of my friends tried talking to him, but the guy thought my friend was being antagonistic and mean and tried to "defend" himself.
The "super strenght" as above commented on is definantly nothing more than adrenaline. Someone who is very intoxicated on PCP will often see themselves in a life or death situation.
Also, keep in mind that even though PCP is not a popular drug, there are still quite a few people who use it on a regular basis. While the negative consequences of PCP can be extreme, they're still only experienced by a minority of users. If everyone got all the negative effects every time they used it, they wouldn't be using it.
 
this may be largely a myth.
I believe that PCP is now relatively rare in the US and probably in much of the world. Its popularity in the late 70s was due to the easy availability of its precursors, which are now closely watched (particularly piperidine). Since ketamine has become rather common, and changing attitudes have made PCP less desired among its original user group, the demand for PCP is probably not large enough to call for its production on a large scale. I'm not saying that PCP doesn't exist, but it's probably a lot less common than it once was.
PCP, being an NMDA antagonist, can produce psychotic symptoms in certain users. In those with schizophrenia (including mild, latent schizophrenia), the NMDA antagonists can cause psychotic episodes with even a small dose, and *most* users will experience psychosis at a larger dose. This psychosis *seems* to involve strange behavior and particularly a lack of sense of consequence for one's actions.
As for violence, it's entirely possible. Without the usual conscience, someone could think it's better to resist arrest than to cooperate (which it almost never is). Adrenaline is doubtless a factor in the strength of resistance -- but so is the anaesthetic effect of PCP. When the nightsticks start falling, they don't hurt. The usual motivation to stop resisting because of the pain is eliminated, as is the usual physical reaction to pain. It's entirely possible that a PCP user might get shot 6 times and keeping approaching, because they probably don't know they've been shot.
But the stories you hear may well not actually describe PCP users. It's entirely likely that old stories of superhuman strength and extreme violence exhibited by PCP users has led to police officers thinking a suspect is on PCP if they seem to resist violently, even if they're really only on alcohol or meth or something entirely different.
In summary: PCP probably doesn't make people violent, but it may make already violent people prone to extreme violence in a fight because they can't feel pain.
 
My experience with PCP (which IS very rare these days like roches said...in nyc we have lots of "dust" that goes around, but very little is actually PCP-- I DID see a bottle this weekend, actually though) is that if the user feels threatened (like being arrested...) they are apt to turn very hostile (to protect themselves...) and may seem like "superhumans" because (like others said) they feel little to no pain. I've seen several people become hostile after some serious dust smoking. To illustrate the lack of feeling--I once had my hand slammed in the door of van while dusted and felt absolutely nothing and barely noticed until my friend started freaking out, "omg, your hand! your hand! its gone! its gone!". I had a few broken fingers but felt nothing for a couple of hours...try explaining THAT to your mom. lol.
 
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