" an overwhelming majority of tested LSD samples were negative for the chemical. "

[Aetherius Rimor]

course there's the flip side of the coin, does it matter if people are taking something other then LSD? - from a more open-minded perspective. LSD was once a research chemical etc etc although apologies if this thread just ends up reciting things that people have already discussed for years - life is one infinite loop etc

The word "fake" gets thrown around a lot, and really it's a misnomer. What I generally tell people is this. "I don't care if you don't have LSD, and have <insert analog/rc here> instead. TELL ME. I may still buy it."

I have a problem with misrepresentation. I'm well aware of the plethora of other compounds capable of giving an interesting experience, and open to them, and explore them. Just experienced 2C-E recently, and really like it.

Someone tells me they have DOC, I'm not paying LSD prices, but I may still buy it, and I want them to be -honest- about dosage.

It's harder for the dealers to sell RCs/Analogs because most people new to drugs either haven't heard of them, or if they have, might have heard misinformation. I know one person who believes RCs screw someone up mentally, and will only do "real" drugs like Mushrooms/LSD/MDMA/MDA/Ketamine etc. They actually have a huge negative opinion of anyone who sells anything but those. Then again... they also believe mushrooms make you trip by poisoning you... they're not quite in reality and can't be persuaded otherwise -_-;

That's the biggest issue, is the misrepresentation. It removes real choice from the user, removes the ability for the person to plan accordingly (seen people sell cut MXE as Ketamine... yeah... you planned for a 1 hour k-hole and got a 4 hour m-hole).

That and dosage response curves are vastly different too. Take 6 real MDMA tabs, you may roll your ass off. Take 6 piperazines sold as MDMA... you may end up in the hospital.

 

[MrHH]

25x-Nbome is inactive when swallowed. So that could be a way to make sure you don't get that chemical

Check out the B&D 25x-Nbome threads. No one takes it orally

Great!

The nBOMe series is not active orally but I know a large number of people take their acid sublingually so they would still produce some effect.

nBOMe series are active when processed with HPBCD

 

[IamMe90]

DOM takes 3-4 hours to kick in. Certainly no-one could ever confuse it for LSD. If anything it's the closest thing to mescaline.

DOC is from the same family so presumably that's similar to DOM.

Yeah, and like DOM (although I've never had DOM personally), DOC is very distinct from LSD in effect. I don't really see how you could confuse the two, in fact I don't really see how you could confuse LSD for any research chemcial as they all have very distinct idiosyncrasies and unique effects, visually, aurally, and mentally. I think people are just scared by the hype of DOx containing blotters into thinking their blotters aren't LSD without good reason.

 

[sockpuppet]

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[MrHH]

Does anybody know the Ehrlich reagent? I think it may reveal something in this case

 

[zn13bt]

nBOMe series are active when processed with HPBCD

Not orally they're not. Complexed NBOMe blotters still have to be taken sublingually or bucally.

 

[clubberdude]

DOM takes 3-4 hours to kick in. Certainly no-one could ever confuse it for LSD. If anything it's the closest thing to mescaline.

DOC is from the same family so presumably that's similar to DOM.

I've found DOC to take 2-2.5 hours after dosing orally before the psychedelic effects really begin. There is a kind of MDMA-ish feeling which builds from around the 1-1.5 hour point though. The come-up on DOC is very rapid once it gets going, with several steps in its intensification (basically it jumps a bit in intensity, levels for about 10-20 minutes then jumps again), the come-up continuing in this vein for around 1.5-2 hours before levelling off into a plateau.

I've not tried DOM (oh if only I had the opportunity), but my understanding was that the onset was a little earlier than that for DOC (1.5-2 hours), whereas DOI and DOB have slower onsets (around 3-4 hours).

I've personally found DOC to be the cleanest and most transparent psychedelic drug I have taken in terms of its effects on the body. I could not really see any way in which one could mistake DOC for "dirty acid" (excepting, of course, lack of experience and expectation as its not LSD they may immediately assume its dirty acid). In fact, LSD feels far less clean in terms of body load than DOC which I find to be not dissimilar to MDMA in terms of body load/transparency. The depth of complexity of the headspace I find to be far deeper with DOC than I've experienced with LSD. An idiosyncrasy? Maybe, but my experience.

In the UK I have only ever encountered blotters/acid which contains LSD or a completely inactive chemical. I've had LSD maybe 15 times. Never have I come across anything like DOC/DOI/25I-nBOME or any other psychedelic phenethylamine. Its possible a high potency tryptamine may have been sold instead of LSD but I struggle to name any potent enough for this to be a likely outcome.

 

[huolesoh]

yes perhaps this is bullshitte

i guess you just have to know the telltale physical signs of LSD; muscle weakness, jaw tension, mass sweating etc

on further reflection i think LSD has such a mass following its inevitable it will be on the market, either that or some close analogue

i just think maybe it is good to keep an eye on things; it isnt the sixties anymore and there is a handful of potent chemicals that are surprisingly easy for just about anyone to access, be that person of good integrity or not

perhaps it is too distrustful, skeptical, to say " blah blah no more LSDs "

i have just had flight moments of troubling thoughts of people i know & love being spiked by dirty shitty money grubby fuckks

 

[OTGee]

Well tbh if you have tried LSD and a few other psychedelic substances especially RC's then you would know once it starts to come on. To me all psychedelics were definably different if not by the english language. There was something different, a different feeling there for each one. So I think if you aren't a first time tripper and have some exp under your belt you will be able to tell if it is LSD or not. This doesn't help if you just swallowed 5 or 6 'LSD' tabs with something like DOx or bromo dragonfly though.

I think real LSD is still out there, real coke, mdma etc is all still out there so I dont see why no one would make LSD. Although I cant imagine really how and why, the manufacturers make LSD instead of RC's with legal regeants etc due to the difficulty of the synthesis and the pre-cursors are very much illegal. I haven't ever tried to just buy tabs as 10 pounds+ a tab for something that is probably an RC or like 50ug's of acid isn't worth it. I mean the prices can be insane now a days especially if the person thats selling it is convinced it is real acid.

I cant imagine anything being sold by very 'street' level dealers, dealers at festivals or unsavoury characters is real LSD and probably contains RC's or is 100% bunk. I mean most powder and pills bought from dealers who aren't 99.99% trusted is just mdai, mxe etc. This stuff is just too cheap and in a market were nearly everyone is a scumbag, theres too much profit to be made.

 

[arcadiaego]

I think the biggest problem with the "scene" currently is the year in which an individual has started to experiment with psychedelics and other types of mind altering substances. I am not old by any standard (23), but I feel having started experimenting with psychedelics just a few years earlier than the current generation of psychonauts has given me a leg up on establishing myself in credible circles. There has always been the "back in my day" argument and the grass is greener, but with the explosion of novel research chemicals discovered by scientists other than Shulgin and the explosion of "legitimate" companies in foreign countries to produce these new compounds has created a market where dirtbags can profit on the naivety of the consumer. I've mentioned in the NASADD thread Acid in America 2012: The 69th Cumming that "mushroom extract" is being sold in pressed pills and capsules. The dealer insists that it is in fact "mushroom extract." Although only anecdotal, I've talked to younger folk who say, "you know how good acid just slowly creeps up on you and then X hours later it finally hits." Other times I've heard "the acid was just different" and when pressed to describe it they can't find the words because they don't have a point of reference for it. This comment isn't supposed to be inflammatory to people that are younger than me and that they can't get "real" drugs, but I am so sick of hearing a kid talk about his "supper kitty"(mxe) and how they ate 1/2 a gram of "molly". I am sure the same could be said about me at their age though, but I don't remember describing my first DMT experience like "I hit the pipe and DUDE LIKE WOAH!"

 

[PriestTheyCalledHim]

Thankfully when I was into tripping on LSD regularly as a teenager or young adult which wasn't that long ago either BTW, nobody had to worry about RC's being passed off as "LSD" or "acid" since you'd either get actual LSD even if it was weak or low dose, or just fake blotter/gels/liquid and you wouldn't get any sort of RC.

A lot of people, myself included have no desire at all to take any RCs being sold as "LSD" and instead just take mushrooms instead. I'm not talking about mushroom chocolates either that came around years ago either since while I've never gotten any of those people I know have at festivals and they said how the chocolates were either real and they tripped or fake and nothing happened; but they had no idea how much ground up psilocybin mushrooms were in the chocolates, and people are shady like Pjkt2501 said.

I did go to the site and they're trying to get you to buy a test kit so of course they're going to claim that mostly all of the stuff sold at shows or festivals is fake and not really LSD. When I was into taking acid I never got it from random people and I'd get stuff that people I knew had taken and we all knew it was LSD but this was before there were tons of RCs around.

 

[Help?!?!]

I think people are just scared by the hype of DOx containing blotters into thinking their blotters aren't LSD without good reason.

Thought this before, reminiscent of the "Shit I smoked laced bud!" effect that happens to people pretty commonly. In my mind it would be nearly impossible to tell you took LSD if you didn't(unless the blot has ALD-52 or like...). LSD has an almost completely unique come up for me. Alerts at T-15 and nicely into the space within T-45. The way it moves forward to me is pretty unlike other tryp's but who knows.