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" an overwhelming majority of tested LSD samples were negative for the chemical. "

Aetherius Rimor said:
LSD is -not- accessible to many people who are looking for it.
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True, but on the other hand, LSD is available if you know someone who is selling it. I think that's the relevant point.

The fact that you can't buy it from 15 year old kids at music festivals with a peice of paper in their hand is of no relevance to the availability of LSD. It just means don't give money to drunk kids at music festivals waving a half-ripped ticket-stub at you and calling it "ganesha dude".
 
Im young as fuck like 17, Ive been eating acid since i was like 14.. this thread is kinda scaring me haha i love acid, and i
really hope i havnt been getting RCs... Also dosnt Lsd Glow under a Blacklight? Would an RC or NBOME do the same?
 
Think of all the potential drugs that could carry an active dose on paper. I think availability is based on ease of synth and global legality. But extra availability of one substance does not equate to a lack of availability of another, id guess
 
Anyone who has tried the 25c-NBOME chemical and LSD along with a few other psychedelics will be able to tell the differences mainly:

*25c-NBOME has much more colour enhancement, very noticeable.
*25c-NBOME has this additional visual effect, but I forget exactly how to describe it, almost like a small magnifying glass lens over certain objects.
*25c-NBOME has a really rapid comedown and does not last anywhere near as long as LSD.
*The headspace is noticeably different in LSD as is tactile sensation.
*LSD is active when swallowed and does not numb the area in the mouth where the tab is.

Also:
*DOx compounds carry a much more bitter taste and tend to have a significantly longer duration.

I really don't believe this study to be accurate.
 
Power of placebo and expectations!

That being said, I've never gotten the PEA signature GI distress from LSD, but I have gotten it from 25I-NBOMe. The headspace is so different too, I feel that one would be easy to differentiate.
 
Having gone to Camp Bisco this past year ('11), I can say that if you didn't bring your own shit, only the ketamine was to be trusted... Everything was so shady there, in terms of chems...
 
Stories like these have been appearing for years. The information that is presented is correct, and it can be indicative of larger trends, but should be taken with a grain of salt. Availability is all relative, but I don't guess anyone's trying to claim that good cid is as "readily available" as say, crack cocaine.

those large music festivals, especially bonnaroo, waka, electric forest, GotV, and bisco, are basically tourist traps. younger kids, especially in small cities and rural areas, come from all around on their high school trip or college festie experience or whatever, lured by stories about all the great music and readily available quality drugs that are only a guy murmuring "doses" as he walks by you away. Unfortunately that attracts the worst, shadiest sort of people, (in my personal experience) the w00ks and "deadheads" who are totally chill brah. I've met plenty of cool people like that too, don't get me wrong. they know all the youngsters flock to the big banner festies and know most of them don't know shit about drugs, and would be too afraid anyways. so the cu$ties get cu$tied.

I've seen people take used molly capsules and just put sand in them and sell it as "Fire thizz", kids who got burned and lost all their money on fake sheets going around selling them desperately to people they knew; there are literally thousands of kids like that, and those are the people who dont enter the festival with evil intent.

then there's the fuckers that genuinely plan ahead for it. You'll meet some with an extended stache of ALL fake shit

MDPV/M1/Meph/Caffeine/Lactose/???? = HEADY SHARDZ BRAH, PURE FIRE MDMA

25I-NBOMe/DO(xx)/2c-(xx)/(xxxx)/paper = owsley fluff bromingo, 12 a hit

^^ = mescaline brah

and on and on. this doesn't really mean acid's not readily available everywhere, it means those festivals aren't good drug destinations.
 
^well fucking said. It's the bigass events with Next Big DJ that tend to draw all the pawns and all the shady dealers.
 
LOL, yeah those festivals are probably where everyone is picking up there "synthetic mescaline brah".

I suppose once you've bought it off the guy walking round mumbling "doses" and then been unable to offload it to your mates you probably do feel like giving it to someone for testing. That's probably why the figures are so high that no genuine LSD is ever handed in for testing.

That and the site concerned is selling testing samples so it wants as many people as possible to think there's no real drugs around.
 
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The saying in Australia has always been, "if it's bitter, it's a spitter" Sad to see the LSD getting ruined over there. DOI mostly has been very prominent over here for years. It's even on the DOI wikipedia.
 
I live in Europe (Netherlands) and in the 20 years I have been doing psychedelics, I only once got blotter that contained some other drug that clearly wasn't LSD. Apart from that single batch, I always got what I consider to be real LSD. Sometimes it's weak, but never bunk.

The reason I'm fairly confident that, apart from that one batch, what I got is actual LSD is: In 20 years I got to sample shrooms, LSD, mescaline, salvia, 2C-B, 2C-C, 2C-D, 2C-E, 2C-I, 2C-T-7, DOC, DOM, 4-HO-DiPT, DPT, DMT, 5-MEO-DMT. When you get the chance to experience an array of psychedelics, you get a feel for the similarities and differences between them. Even DOC, which I consider to be the closest to LSD of the psychedelics I tried, has it's own unique signature. All the acid I've ever eaten, from all these different batches in 20 years, had a distinct signature. It was either all LSD, or THE SAME RC every time! I don't buy that.
 
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And to add - hell no did I have my bomb blot tested - I ate that shit! No need to ruin known-good doses to prove a point. Tasteless and ~30-45 minutes before the onset comes. I tend to re-dose to prolong the experience, so my duration time-frame is a bit off however... Single doses are 6-8 hours depending on strength and set/setting.
 
the whole thing had been speculation before, so its nice to have some real investigation. the NBOMEs are a new thing, so i found it surprising they are already being seen 'among the masses' and the RC market makes them available to just about anybody, whilst many aren't even aware of the variety of minute-dose chemicals invented since the sixties ! it's quite bizarre

EZ test have *quite recently* decided to introduce a new LSD testing kit - these are new times, i think particularly with any unregulated black market, it's good to maintain a healthy level of scepticism

i find this thread harm reduction, raising awareness. many good points, allows people to create a rounded viewpoint - i think a loss to close. i think of it more as "what could i accidentally end up taking?" and not "what should/could i take?"

of course there's the flip side of the coin, does it matter if people are taking something other then LSD? - from a more open-minded perspective. LSD was once a research chemical etc etc although apologies if this thread just ends up reciting things that people have already discussed for years - life is one infinite loop etc
 
The NBOMEs are cheap, easy to buy and easy to lay or get pre laid. It's inevitable and it's worse because this is a research chemical while we know a lot more about LSD and it's the one that's illegal.
 
To the OP's question regarding whether it's better in Europe or not, I would say no. I got great acid blotters at Fullmoon Festival in Germany in 2004 (I also got the best Psilocybe cyanescens shrooms in my life there, I don't think I'll ever encounter as potent shrooms again) but my friend bought blotters at the said festival in 2010 and we tried them last summer. Well, one thing is certain, it was not acid. I feel for those who got fooled buy the guy selling them. Many must have flipped out. Half a blotter was hellishly intense physically, I was very worried about my heart. The compound ravished me and my friend physically, the visuals were admittedly nice and extremely strong but there was no depth or spirituality in the experience. I will never know for certain what the blotters contained, but it was an extremely strong psychedelic amphetamine. The only profile I've found it would fit would be DOB.

In the early 2000's there were good LSD blotters here. They were rare but you just had to know the right person to get them. After 2004 I took a 6 year long "break" from all drugs. Now when I've "returned" to my psychonautic habit I've sadly discovered that almost all blotters sold here contain something else than LSD. DOC, DOI, DOB and Bromo-DragonFLY blotters have been available, but no LSD.
 
Everythings great in the UK - LSD on pretty much every blotter. Never got any from a guy at a festival tho so I dunno what they're selling.
 
Are there any differences in On-Set times between LSD and DO(X), 2c-x, and the NBOME's?

Shouldn't LSD kick in a lot sooner in general than the DOX's and 2c-x's at least? What about the NBOME's onset time - I think this would be a very simple indicator.

If people could shed some light on this that would be great.
 
huolesoh said:
of course there's the flip side of the coin, does it matter if people are taking something other then LSD? - from a more open-minded perspective. LSD was once a research chemical etc etc although apologies if this thread just ends up reciting things that people have already discussed for years - life is one infinite loop etc
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well fuck yeah it matters haha.... It's not the fact that people don't want to try new chemicals, don't get me wrong, in the right setting, i love some 2C-I you know, but not when it's being represented as something else for profit. and it's not just the profit, it's the fact that it's incredibly rough on people to "trick" them like that.

of course there are the obvious health issues concerning things like PMA sold as X, but even without physical "danger" it's still malicious to do to someone. Imagine if you bought some coke, snorted some, and realize you got sold crystal meth and some lidocaine- you'd be pissed!
 
DOM takes 3-4 hours to kick in. Certainly no-one could ever confuse it for LSD. If anything it's the closest thing to mescaline.

DOC is from the same family so presumably that's similar to DOM.
 
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