hi so i'm torn between legal amt from net or 2C-I from my source from research i've done its hard to choice 2C-I think is cheaper per hit but i'd like any points that make one better than other i'm looking for visual safe pleasure without panic attacks or to much stimulation lol
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amt vs 2C-I
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IamMe90
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i've only done 2c-i, but from what i've read i'd recommend AMT. 2c-i fairly boring, even if it can get very visual. the headspace is just kind of worthless.... YMMV but most people don't seem to find too much significance in it.
not that you'd get a "significant" headspace from AMT but it seems to be consensus that there's a lot of similarity to the empathogenic effects of MDMA which is always a huge plus in my book.
not that you'd get a "significant" headspace from AMT but it seems to be consensus that there's a lot of similarity to the empathogenic effects of MDMA which is always a huge plus in my book.
They're both good drugs.
2C-I is a typical psychedelic, that is particularly visual (moreso for some than others), which is somewhat stimulating, but with very little mind-fuck, to the point where some criticize it for being shallow. It's great stuff for social situations, maybe for party/club/rave type setting, but not much for introspection.
aMT is an empathogen/psychedelic. I havn't pushed the dose high enough to say much about the effects beyond that, but it's a very different sort of drug. It's also really long-lasting and slow to come up, while 2C-x's are pretty short.
2C-I is a typical psychedelic, that is particularly visual (moreso for some than others), which is somewhat stimulating, but with very little mind-fuck, to the point where some criticize it for being shallow. It's great stuff for social situations, maybe for party/club/rave type setting, but not much for introspection.
aMT is an empathogen/psychedelic. I havn't pushed the dose high enough to say much about the effects beyond that, but it's a very different sort of drug. It's also really long-lasting and slow to come up, while 2C-x's are pretty short.
Treatderek
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2c-i is a bit more visual, and the visuals tend to be patterns compared to aMT's more melting visuals which only really appear at higher doses, lower doses are just euphoria.
2c-i is more stimulating and although aMT will keep you up for 12+ hours it can make you feel tired, especially on the come-up
aMT is much more euphoric and lasts about twice as long.
Both can have a fair bit of body load (I notice it more with 2c-i)
2c-i is more clear headed however it is very possible to have a negative trip with the wrong set and setting (paranoia + thought loops), I do not enjoy socializing with non-trippers on it. With aMT I am usually in such a state of bliss that I do not care about people thinking I am tripping and I can talk to anyone.
2c-i can definitely have a dark side and I don't believe it is all just fun visuals, it can be pretty deep. There is often a lot of laughter however
2c-i is more stimulating and although aMT will keep you up for 12+ hours it can make you feel tired, especially on the come-up
aMT is much more euphoric and lasts about twice as long.
Both can have a fair bit of body load (I notice it more with 2c-i)
2c-i is more clear headed however it is very possible to have a negative trip with the wrong set and setting (paranoia + thought loops), I do not enjoy socializing with non-trippers on it. With aMT I am usually in such a state of bliss that I do not care about people thinking I am tripping and I can talk to anyone.
2c-i can definitely have a dark side and I don't believe it is all just fun visuals, it can be pretty deep. There is often a lot of laughter however
n3wt
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2c-i can definitely have a dark side and I don't believe it is all just fun visuals, it can be pretty deep. There is often a lot of laughter however
Yeah, I'm not sure I like people spreading around that 2c-i is completely benign. You're not as likely to have a bad trip as on other substances...but it does happen.
2C-I can be pretty stimulating and to be honest I never really liked it very much, even if I enjoyed myself on it. Just not my thing.
AMT on the other hand can be pretty beautiful, it has more depth to it and a sparkle.
We don't really support 'what should I take or choose or buy or whatever' threads so unless you actually have a very specific question we can help this can get closed... you with you are highly recommended to check the Big & Dandy threads of both compounds (to be found via the Psychedelic Index), other than that take the time to read the trip reports on Erowid and kindly make up your own mind since you know yourself a million times better than we do.
AMT on the other hand can be pretty beautiful, it has more depth to it and a sparkle.
We don't really support 'what should I take or choose or buy or whatever' threads so unless you actually have a very specific question we can help this can get closed... you with you are highly recommended to check the Big & Dandy threads of both compounds (to be found via the Psychedelic Index), other than that take the time to read the trip reports on Erowid and kindly make up your own mind since you know yourself a million times better than we do.
atara
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If you don't want stimulation, AMT and 2C-I are both the wrong choice, if you ask me.
I liked 2C-I; it was my first psychedelic; it's definitely a social drug in the sense that the experiences I've had taking it alone were all disappointing and taking it with friends was always great. AMT, I've not had, but F&B liked it and that's usually a good sign.
I liked 2C-I; it was my first psychedelic; it's definitely a social drug in the sense that the experiences I've had taking it alone were all disappointing and taking it with friends was always great. AMT, I've not had, but F&B liked it and that's usually a good sign.
delta_9
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I don't find them to be similar at all.
For starters, their chemical structures are different, and for me the effects are wholly different as well.
IME, 2c-i is a fine compound. aMT on the other hand, produced the single worst trip I've ever had out of some 300+ trips of various compounds. 50mg I consumed from a fairly trusted source.
It may have been a 'fluke'. It may have been the wrong set/setting(doubtful though, as I was in my own home and my mental space was ideal). It may have been a different compound. I don't care what the real answer is. I will never do aMT again(if I even did it to begin with, as I said for all I know it could have been a different compound). It was by far the single worst drug related experience I have had.
Sorry to rant guys. I know this is extremely unusual and I'm not trying to demonize aMT or anything. I believe it to be a wonderful tool, but for other people only.
For starters, their chemical structures are different, and for me the effects are wholly different as well.
IME, 2c-i is a fine compound. aMT on the other hand, produced the single worst trip I've ever had out of some 300+ trips of various compounds. 50mg I consumed from a fairly trusted source.
It may have been a 'fluke'. It may have been the wrong set/setting(doubtful though, as I was in my own home and my mental space was ideal). It may have been a different compound. I don't care what the real answer is. I will never do aMT again(if I even did it to begin with, as I said for all I know it could have been a different compound). It was by far the single worst drug related experience I have had.
Sorry to rant guys. I know this is extremely unusual and I'm not trying to demonize aMT or anything. I believe it to be a wonderful tool, but for other people only.
ThanksLois
Bluelighter
Could you elaborate on what went wrong? 50mg was a maybe too large a dose for the first time?
delta_9
Bluelighter
It may have been. But I've always been able to handle higher doses, and 50mg is still in the mid range.
But anyway, I spent the first 5 hours lying in bed shivering cold(in the summer, wrapped up in a blanket and fully clothed, btw) with a bucket next to it as I was vomiting every 5 minutes or so. My insides were in serious pain as I had eaten very little food so this "vomiting" was actually dry heaving with the occasional stomach acid. I drank water frequently as the stomach acid was hurting my throat badly. I had terrible headaches the entire time as well.
As you can imagine by this my psychological state was hell(And it was serene before I dosed). The thought of 'mind over matter', which I've used many times in the past to overcome difficult psychedelic trips, flew right out the fucking door. I was in for the long haul and knew it.
T+6 - A short break in the pain and dry heaving allowed me time to smoke a single bowl of cannabis. No effects positive or negative. Basically I just wasted a bowl of weed which made me even more upset as by this time I was fucking PISSED that I had paid for this shit and that I knew it was still not over. I returned to bed for another 2 hours of dry heaving/vomiting and became quite concerned when I started to see blood.
T+8 - The worst was over I was sitting upright watching tv and smoking another bowl. For the first time I experienced some visuals which were actually nice. I spent the next 24 hours recovering. I consumed about 3x as much fluids and cKals as I would on a normal day, but by body(mainly my torso/midsection) ached badly for about 3 days.
I will NEVER do aMT again. Even as I type this I'm getting mentally upset. FUCK AMT!!!!
...I'm sorry for ranting and getting very off topic again but recalling these memories is fucking with my head so I'm gonna stop here. That's my story with aMT.
But anyway, I spent the first 5 hours lying in bed shivering cold(in the summer, wrapped up in a blanket and fully clothed, btw) with a bucket next to it as I was vomiting every 5 minutes or so. My insides were in serious pain as I had eaten very little food so this "vomiting" was actually dry heaving with the occasional stomach acid. I drank water frequently as the stomach acid was hurting my throat badly. I had terrible headaches the entire time as well.
As you can imagine by this my psychological state was hell(And it was serene before I dosed). The thought of 'mind over matter', which I've used many times in the past to overcome difficult psychedelic trips, flew right out the fucking door. I was in for the long haul and knew it.
T+6 - A short break in the pain and dry heaving allowed me time to smoke a single bowl of cannabis. No effects positive or negative. Basically I just wasted a bowl of weed which made me even more upset as by this time I was fucking PISSED that I had paid for this shit and that I knew it was still not over. I returned to bed for another 2 hours of dry heaving/vomiting and became quite concerned when I started to see blood.
T+8 - The worst was over I was sitting upright watching tv and smoking another bowl. For the first time I experienced some visuals which were actually nice. I spent the next 24 hours recovering. I consumed about 3x as much fluids and cKals as I would on a normal day, but by body(mainly my torso/midsection) ached badly for about 3 days.
I will NEVER do aMT again. Even as I type this I'm getting mentally upset. FUCK AMT!!!!
...I'm sorry for ranting and getting very off topic again but recalling these memories is fucking with my head so I'm gonna stop here. That's my story with aMT.