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aMT HCL dosing (100mg+)

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Hello PD. I have a quantity of aMT HCL at 99.8% purity, and my usual dose is 100mg. This does not produce many open eyed visuals(I get some distinct ones, but not every time I dose) and I am looking to increase my dosage to get on the more psychedelic side of this wonderful chemical. I was thinking upping to 150mg orally, but I just wanted to know other peoples experiences with 100mg+. Can't wait to read your responses :)
 
I've done way more than 100mg over the course of a night. It was absolutely the hardest I've ever tripped, massive doses of LSD included. I had closed-eyed interactions, that is to say I saw and heard people as clear as if they were right there in front of me. What I was seeing was probably more like a dream-like representation (you know how dreams can seem so real), but I was seeing and talking to people I didn't even normally think about. They were talking back to me, and we conversed for a bit. What they said back to me actually corresponded with what I said to them, it made sense. Needless to say, it was a bit odd when I saw them in real life a few days later. The back and forth close-eyed conversing only ended when I opened my eyes and forced myself to focus on something in the room. Seeing things is one thing, but hearing them...I don't mess around with AMT anymore.
 
spaceyourbass said:
I've done way more than 100mg over the course of a night. It was absolutely the hardest I've ever tripped, massive doses of LSD included. I had closed-eyed interactions, that is to say I saw and heard people as clear as if they were right there in front of me. What I was seeing was probably more like a dream-like representation (you know how dreams can seem so real), but I was seeing and talking to people I didn't even normally think about. They were talking back to me, and we conversed for a bit. What they said back to me actually corresponded with what I said to them, it made sense. Needless to say, it was a bit odd when I saw them in real life a few days later. The back and forth close-eyed conversing only ended when I opened my eyes and forced myself to focus on something in the room. Seeing things is one thing, but hearing them...I don't mess around with AMT anymore.
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So I take it you redosed then? Care to share the timing and amount ingested? And have you ever taken above 100mg without LSD?
 
^ I think by "massive doses of LSD included" he was referring to how hard he was tripping, saying it compared even to large doses of LSD - not that he was combining the two.
 
That is also how I read it.
I have only dosed the freebase, but I have smoked up to 40-50 mg in a session which compares to about 100 mg orally, (of the HCl salt) with relatively shortened duration.
I got pretty OEVs but not closed-eye interactions like described by spaceyourbass. It was more of a rolly feeling honestly, yet distinctly unique and different from MDMA. It's more wakefulness-promoting - more like intranasal MDMA can be at times, yet without the loved up feeling. Increased empathy was not lacking altogether, but I missed the enhanced sense of touch. I still think MDMA is the drug I have tried that reminds me the most of aMT.

Only side effect was what I believe to be a muscle strain related headache towards the end.
 
Jesusgreen said:
^ I think by "massive doses of LSD included" he was referring to how hard he was tripping, saying it compared even to large doses of LSD - not that he was combining the two.
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I actually think the opposite. That he mixed together LSD. ehehe
 
Bumping this ish. My friend and I have decided to take 200mg at a festy tomorrow, so I will report back with the details, but I am still interested in hearing others reports.
 
200mg is quite a hefty dose; I'd be prepared for some horrible bodyload. One way to avoid this a little, and to get a better chance of visuals, is to cap it and stuff it up your ass.

Failing that. I found that a small bump of ket just as the stimulation wears off, sets the visuals off very very nicely indeed. It's quite difficult I find to get visuals off aMT without (a) smoking the freebase or (b) smoking some weed / bumping some sort of disassociative.
 
At least be ready to vomit at some point. It might not happen, but you are not exactly taking a common dose ;)
 
So now your plan is to take twice your regular, already high, dose with a friend (who presumably knows what their getting into and isn't trusting you to tell them what their dose should be) and go to a public place? And just for the sake of visual eye candy? What happened to the 150 mg plan you stated earlier?

There's a 200 mg report on Erowid titled You Took Too Much, Man, Too Much if that's any indication for you and your friend. It's true that aMT HCl has a higher molecular weight than the freebase, and so the dose for equivalent effects is higher, but still. Maybe you and your friend are both morbidly obese, you were ripped off with cut product, or you're empathogen pigs with super high tolerances to monoamine releasers -- you've given almost no details to justify your choices -- I don't know, but 200 mg is not remotely close to a normal recreational dose. You aren't just increasing psychedelic visual effects when upping the dose with aMT, because as a monoamine releaser like MDMA it is quite different from most other tryptamines. The aMT is also more likely to do neurological damage at higher doses (see the alphaETHYLtryptamine literature). Anyways, good luck not collapsing in a sweaty seizing hyperthermic heap alongside your poor trusting friend and having the cops called on you. I honestly hope it works out just fine, but it definitely sounds like a bad idea.
 
I NUK3D U said:
200mg is quite a hefty dose; I'd be prepared for some horrible bodyload. One way to avoid this a little, and to get a better chance of visuals, is to cap it and stuff it up your ass.

Failing that. I found that a small bump of ket just as the stimulation wears off, sets the visuals off very very nicely indeed. It's quite difficult I find to get visuals off aMT without (a) smoking the freebase or (b) smoking some weed / bumping some sort of disassociative.
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Thanks for the response. Just for negative body load sake, I will probably go back down to 150mg, although I have never had any sort of bad body load from my 100mg doses.

basement_shaman said:
At least be ready to vomit at some point. It might not happen, but you are not exactly taking a common dose ;)
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Any nausea that I have felt with 100mg (very little if any) has been calmed by smoking cannabis. I do have a strong stomach when it comes to psychedelics though.

psood0nym said:
So now your plan is to take twice your regular, already high, dose with a friend (who presumably knows what their getting into and isn't trusting you to tell them what their dose should be) and go to a public place? And just for the sake of visual eye candy? What happened to the 150 mg plan you stated earlier?
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He knows exactly what he is getting into, has taken 100mg with me before, and is looking over my shoulder as I type this. Please, do not mistake me as a complete idiot haha. To answer your question about my thought of increasing my dose, I read other reports of people taking doses up to 400mg, and as it is known that effects differ HUGELY depending on the person, 200mg seemed like a good dose to take.
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There's a 200 mg report on Erowid titled You Took Too Much, Man, Too Much if that's any indication for you and your friend. It's true that aMT HCl has a higher molecular weight than the freebase, and so the dose for equivalent effects is higher, but still. Maybe you and your friend are both morbidly obese, you were ripped off with cut product, or you're empathogen pigs with super high tolerances to monoamine releasers -- you've given almost no details to justify your choices -- I don't know, but 200 mg is not remotely close to a normal recreational dose. You aren't just increasing psychedelic visual effects when upping the dose with aMT, because as a monoamine releaser like MDMA it is quite different from most other tryptamines. The aMT is also more likely to do neurological damage at higher doses (see the alphaETHYLtryptamine literature). Anyways, good luck not collapsing in a sweaty seizing hyperthermic heap alongside your poor trusting friend and having the cops called on you. I honestly hope it works out just fine, but it definitely sounds like a bad idea.
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Thank you for the link, but as the author did not state what form his aMT is in, I don't think that I can base what I have off of it.

We are not morbidly obese, empathogen pigs, and we have a very pure product.

That being said, I now see that doubling my dose in public is probably not a good idea, so I will stick with my original 150mg plan.

Thank you again for your responses, but honestly, did you have to insult my intelligence or do whatever you were trying to accomplish with what you said? I'm asking for advice, so obviously I'm going to listen to you, even if your words were kinder. Now if you did not mean to do that and it is just your posting style, I apologize.

clubberdude said:
I'd have some concerns about neurotoxicity at those dose levels, though probably be ok if its done rarely.
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I am taking the same precautions with pre and post loading as I do with MDMA, and I do not take doses like this all the time, but thank you for your advice.
 
I seen to have a highish tolerance to aMT (which may well be a result of taking it too frequently than would probably be recommended by any sane psychonaut.) My chosen ROA is up the bum, and here's a rough list of doses I've taken and the effects they've had, if it's any help:

10-20mg - gives a really nice, anti-depressant, anti-anxiolytic feel. Good for use during the day (or evening) when I'm feeling a bit meh and need a bit of a lift, without actually buzzing from it

20-40mg - gives a distinct 'up' feeling, a little like 100mg of MDMA would give me, but longer-lasting. Helps me focus on writing and worky-type stuff

40-80mg - even nicer recreational dose, and towards the top end can occasionally hit me with a bit of a 'Whooo! Sit down before you fall down!' feeling

80-100mg - very lovely, and at 100mg (which is the highest I've gone in a single dose) I had my first (very mild) psychedelic experience, at a festival a couple of months ago, lying on the ground and watching the clouds go all fractal and kaleidoscopic

above that, I've yet to venture, but I'd want to be somewhere comfortable and safe, with a friend or two to keep an eye on me. I've found that lecithin/Piracetam potentiates it nicely. I normally pre-load with a couple of high-strength vitamin C tablets and a multivitamin, and usually drink a fair amount of fruit juice whilst I'm rolling. Towards the back end, spliffs and wine/cider help me slide into a lovely, cuddly sleepy state.

I've no idea what your tolerance and previous experiences are, but - based on my own responses so far - 150mg would be a belter of a dose. But that's just me! :)


Hope that helps - have fun and be safe, and let us know how you get on!

Mxx
 
And for me, I find the body load of aMT incredibly light. The one thing that *does* seem to get me, after a few weeks of taking it, is redosing. A single dose seems fine (but of course we don't actually know what long-term damage it might be doing to our brains). It's only when I've had a spell of taking two doses in an evening (usually spaced out by a couple of hours) that it starts to drain me and give me the fucking weirdest - and scary - nightmares.

Mxx
 
I know of an accidental (decimal point mistake) dosage of 150mgs, the effects lasted about 60 hours & then tailed off over the next 12 hours & from what I can gather you are either highly tolerant or have an impure product.
 
B9 said:
I know of an accidental (decimal point mistake) dosage of 150mgs, the effects lasted about 60 hours & then tailed off over the next 12 hours & from what I can gather you are either highly tolerant or have an impure product.
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Freebase or HCL?


And to report back:
150mg and copious amounts of cannabis feels like a high dose of MDMA, for around 12 hours. After sleeping for 10 hours and working out this morning, the effects can still be slightly felt. Man yesterday was a fucking blast.
 
spaceyourbass said:
I've done way more than 100mg over the course of a night. It was absolutely the hardest I've ever tripped, massive doses of LSD included. I had closed-eyed interactions, that is to say I saw and heard people as clear as if they were right there in front of me. What I was seeing was probably more like a dream-like representation (you know how dreams can seem so real), but I was seeing and talking to people I didn't even normally think about. They were talking back to me, and we conversed for a bit. What they said back to me actually corresponded with what I said to them, it made sense. Needless to say, it was a bit odd when I saw them in real life a few days later. The back and forth close-eyed conversing only ended when I opened my eyes and forced myself to focus on something in the room. Seeing things is one thing, but hearing them...I don't mess around with AMT anymore.
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As a late reply, I did mean that I only took AMT and this was the hardest I've ever tripped, even harder than trips from big doses of LSD. I can only guesstimate as to how much I took at each interval, but I basically took somewhere over 1/4 of a gram and somewhere under 1/3 of a gram over the course of maybe 4 hours, with three different doses...I was young and irresponsible and wouldn't recommend such guesstimates to anyone of course. For the life of me I can't remember if those little vials said hcl or freebase. All I remember is the little molecule on the vial, which is somewhat etched into my brain whenever AMT is brought up. And the poison label of course, haha. Man that was close to a decade ago, I'm starting to feel old!

Come to think of it, my first dose, which was actually measured at 40mg, was one of the greates experiences of my life, and very warm and happy. I probably would consider doing it again if I could only find it.
 
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