AMT -- Experienced -- The new date rape drug.

[ER0X]

AMT: The new date rape drug.

So we were all sitting around trying to figure out what to do. We had a 30pack of beer and some shwag weed but we all agreed we desired something alittle more intoxicating than what we had. That when I remembered I had almost 2 grams of AMT left over from the past summer. I had forgotten all about it becuz after several high dose trials I decided it wasn't that great of a high. We all dosed about 100mg each. Me,J and D felt in 3hours with only minor nausea if any. A puked with in 25min of dosing which is very bizarre and L felt nothing.

I've puked the 1st 2 times I took it and never had a problem after that, realizing that it's just nervous energy I was able to calm myself and block it. Even tho he puked he still felt it just as good as we did at 3hr. I gave L another 100mg. At 5hrs into it she still felt nothing. I gave her 50mg more and told her that if she didnt feel that then too bad cuz I wasn't going to give her anymore cuz I didn't want anything to go wrong. We were all pretty well experienced with psychadelics but L had never tripped before.

We all took another 100mg to boost it up a bit. One thing I've found with AMT is that you can get to a point and boosting wont work anymore. Which lead can lead to major problems which I'll get to. She decided to go behind my back and dose herself again. An hour later she told me she was seeing rainbow bubbles. We decided to watch a little TV for a bit. L Would make a weird sexual sound noise every few minutes. We asked why the hell she kept making that noise and she got pissed and asked what the hell we were talking about. We just figured she was fuking with us. She was lying on the floor infront of the TV and that's when she started rolling around. She just rolled like a log back and forth knocking beers and stacks of movies over. We asked her to stop and while she was rolling she asked "stop what?". This was getting out of hand, I didn't know what the hell was going on with her and neither did she but this had to stop or she'd destroy my living room. So I decided to sit on her cuz everytime we yelled at her to stop she would get pissed and say "stop what". That's when things got interesting.

Then she starting bucking like a bull and making loud sexual noises. By the way A was her boyfriend but he wasn't doing anything to help the situation. She had to of wieghed under 100lbs probly like 85 or so. But damn she could buck, I was having a hard time keeping he down then she stopped and I quickly got off as I was trying not to piss off A. Then she started doing shit I've never even seen in pornos. All kinds of positions and she finger herself and moan like she had been a professional porn star for like 10years or something. She'd quickly lost her skirt and was completely naked from the waste down. We couldn't help but laugh except I'm sure A didn't find it too amusing. Especially when she come up to us and look anyone of us dead in the eyes and tell us to fuck her in the ass. She had completely lost her mind, she had absolutely no idea what she was doing. I have seen alot of shit but never anything like this.

It just kept getting worse. It was also getting late, 12am on a tuesday and she would scream "fuck me, somebody fuck me please!!!". She would kick every now and then and at one point tried to burn her pubes of with a lighter. That was it we had to get her out of my house before my neighbors in my building called the cops. J was the biggest and picked her up and carried her out to the car. Somehow she managed to kick his knee out and then she started yelling all that shit again and roll around in the snow.

Before we brought her to the car we tried to get clothes on her but it was impossible. We tried leaving her with her boyfriend figuring that if he fucked he she might finally shut up. But 45min later he was too scared to touch her. We were disappointed in him but also saw where he was coming from.

Eventually we got her in the back seat. We drove around for a while which wasn't that much better of any idea seeing how she kept kicking me in the head while I was driving and I kept swirving in the road and there were plenty of cops out that night and she was naked,underage,and obviosly intoxicated out of her mind on something not knowing what the hell she was saying. Saying things like she wanted to fuck my friends grandmother and his dog. I drove myself home and they drove her around till she came down.

Some more friends came over. T and R decided to dose some. I warned them of what just happened and told them that I'll kick them out if they start that shit cuz I just couldn't deal with that again so they had better not do what she did and take more with out my concent. R had came down of an E pill and I gave him 100mg then 2 hours later another 50mg and told him no more. The big problem with Amt is that there's no head high and the visuals come in waves. So when yer not getting visuals you think yer completely sober. R started asking for more and I told him to wait. So what does he do, go behind my back and stick his key in the bag and blow 2 massive bumps of the shit. Shortly there after everything turned to shit. He started talking into his shoe like it was a telephone saying "we're not making any sense". Of coarse it was a hilarious at 1st but I had a suspicion things would get ugly soon. He started screaming "god bless america!!!" over and over and over again. It was now 5:30am and I decided it was time for him to leave. He lost his pants and was walking around knocking shit over. This is not something I wanna see one of my friends doing. He grabbed my leg and told me he'd fuck me for some cocain> He's as straight as they come so this was definatly getting bad. He kept screaming about Tony Montana. We got his coat on and drove to his girls house rung the door bell said "here ya go" and left. He still had no shoes or pants.

We kept dosing ourselves while we wondered what would happen to L and R. L, D, and A came back. L looked like she had and started crying when we told her what she was doing. She blacked out the whole experience. We just sat around and tripped for an entire week straight. Amt zaps out any and all motivation/energy. Very lethargic. We heard from R a few days later. He somehow got himself dropped off down town and walked into the pediatric office and took a ride to the hospital.

We never touched it again. That was enough for us. R in his mania spilled both my grams on the floor. If yer looking for a date rape drug, just OD someone on amt and they'll do all the work. Otherwise be carefull with this, infact I recomend not bothering with it at all, it's really not all that great.

 

[MattPD]

Sounds scary, glad everyone made it out allright.

 

[Psilo707]

Whoa.
Yeah, that pretty much helps confirm the fact that I *never* want to try AMT. That's one experience my life can do without.
Maybe 5meoamt, but still doubtful.
Thanks for the report though

 

[diegoblunt]

Thats belongs on erowid

 

[dyscotopia]

i'd like to see a report from a deep loving couple who tried a high dose just by themselves in solitude.. might be really good.. or could be just as disturbing as the above..

who knows? i'm too boring to spend lots of time digging around for RCs..

nice report nonetheless..

 

[Leprechaun]

WHAT THE FUCK!!! 150mg of AMT!!!!! No wonder she was fucked. You must have had some really impure product. I find 40mg overly high as do most other people I know!

It takes about 1hr for it to come on then another 1hr to build up. The pharmacology is quite unique as the experience trasnforms over the next 12hours.

Please do some research before giving a person a drug who has no idea what they are taking.

 

[bip norris]

aMT like T7 seems to have perhaps an abnormally large dosage range with a large amount of individual variation. My own experiences of high dose aMT didn't really convince me it was nessasarily safe or worthwhile.
I'm not surprised it could end in a mess with high doses - It wouldn't be hard to lose your mind on this stuff since it's hardly there in the first place on aMT. Very interesting report tho

 

[Blowmonkey]

Holy, holy shit, I have to concur with Leprechaun, this is not normal product. Dosing the whole week, giving someone 100 mg, which she not felt, then decide to redose with 100 and another additional 50 mg, I find it hard to believe this report..

I can easily feel AMT on a dose as high as 30 mg, which is perfectly fine and does not need any more, any more and the body load overpowers the trip. ALWAYS give someone a low dose if they've never tripped before or are trying out a new substance, this is out-fucking-rageous.\

Also giving someone AMT while they've just tripped of off Ecstacy, incredibly stupid.

This report is litterally unbelievable.

 

[VictorBorge]

From Erowid (link ):

We have received several complaints by users that our oral dosages shown [common = 20-40mg, heavy = 60-80mg] are far too low. There are a number of reports of individuals taking 100-200mg recreationally and some of these people argue that the reports of overwhelming effects felt by others at 40-80mg are exaggerated. It is important to keep in mind how much variation there is in experiential effects based on personal biochemistry, expectation, and other difficult to determine factors. We have received reports of overwhelming effects on as little as 40mg and users taking as much as 400mg (!).

and also:

Warning! Because AMT's effects can take over 2 hours to fully develop, a common error is to redose (add more) thinking that the initial dose was too low. This has lead to a number of very unpleasant and potentially dangerous overdose experiences. Those who have made this error recommend waiting until at least 2.5 hours after the initial dose to add more.

Just curious, how much research did you do on AMT before this?

Blowmonkey, I hear where you're coming from, but I myself find it all too easy to believe this report. Reckless overdosing happens all the time. It's incidents like this that helped AMT get scheduled in the US -- not that it's a big loss in the case of this material, from what I've heard.

 

[bluedolphin]

AMT is absolutely not a "date rape drug". In my experience it was a very sensual chemical though, almost like rolling, and I could see how a psychotic break induced by such an overdose could turn sexual.

I found 25mg of AMT to be roughly equivilant to 85ug of LSD or 2.5 grams of mushrooms in intensity, but the body load and cracked out feelings afterwards were much greater.

One of my friends was just telling me how she snorted 50mg of AMT in the middle of a weekend-long E binge. She experienced symptoms of serotonin syndrome and is lucky she came out allright. I thought AMT was a worthwhile chemical, but apparently people can't stop themselves from using it in dangerous ways, so maybe its better off being illegal.

 

[Blowmonkey]

Victor, I know about the varying dosages, but he also wrote something about dosing the whole week, what I do not accept and won't believe.. This chem is highly entertaining when done in moderation, in the right doses. But still, the day after you're feeling like someone hit you on the head. Me and everyone I know have spoken of this, you really don't want to re-dose the next day, let alone a whole week..

I believe that the wide range of dosages are due to impure products. I cannot believe people have taken more than 400 mg of this stuff, seems highly unlikely.

 

[nwajszcz]

damn thats a crazy story. ive never heard of amt, is it similar to ghb at all. good story though man.

 

[MagickalKat777]

AMT is NOT a date rape drug

I find this report to be a show of unbelievably irresponsible use of a VERY powerful substance. For me, at doses of 60-120mg, AMT was the most powerful hallucinogen I have ever put in my body. It IS psychedelic, and by psychedelic, I mean that you don't want to mess with it. AMT will whip you in the ass if you aren't prepared for it. I'll post my own personal trip report with an unknown but high amount (greater than 150mg) taken over the course of two days. It taught me to respect the power of chemicals.

As for the supposed bodyload of AMT, I ordered mine from a supplier of "fine chemicals" back when it was still legal, and I never experienced any real body load until I got into the higher doses. AMT never even made me vomit, although it has most definitely upset my stomach.

Furthermore, I can't speak for the women, but all the males that I have talked to (including myself) that have used IT-290, have experienced dysfunction in the sexual sense, but in their minds, they were quite horny.

IT-290 is a mixed bag. Some love it (and have ++++ experiences because of it) and wish it was still legal, others hate it and are glad it's illegal.

I'm kind of mixed. This chemical has a lot of power and it packs a huge punch when it's misused, and in that sense, I am glad that it is illegal because it keeps it out of the hands of the irresponsible... It's so sad that we are losing our rights to alter our minds subjectively because of irresponsiblity, such as this.

And then you wonder when we lose our rights and basic freedoms.

>>>End rant<<<

 

[JB]

Lets clear up the dose issue, he said this bag was from last year.

AMT degrades very quickly, altough 30 - 80mg is a good dose with fresh AMT after a year of degridation this is not quite such a high dose.

It is obvious how ever that these people where not informed of the very drawn out come up.

This drug lasts near on 24hrs, the first few hours very few feeling, 3hrs time dilation starts and it feels like coming up on pills.

The experience is constantly changing up until about the 12hr. Around 15 hrs I normally get what I call the AMT hole, a period where I have no recalection of what I was doing. (usually rolling a marble in my hand or some shit repeatedly for a hour or so lol) after that it's the slow torturous return to normal.

I have to admit I find AMT a sensual drug altough the lethargic effects make anyting that way seems like too much effort.

Also top up dose do very little to me but prolong the come down. I have only smoked and taken orally not snorted (shit smells so bad)

The only time I have come up in less then 2 hours was when I dissolved a gram in Brandy, assuming the AMT was properly mixed in the dose was around 100mg. This was incredibly strong. The come up was under 20 mins, full hallucinations and extrem time dilation by 30mins.

I think the alch' must have increased the bio availability greatly but this was strange that the come up was so reduced compared to the normal several hours.

nwajszcz, damn thats a crazy story. ive never heard of amt, is it similar to ghb at all. good story though man.

Nothing at all like GHB, AMT is a POWERFULL psychedelic.

 

[MagickalKat777]

AMT degrades very quickly, altough 30 - 80mg is a good dose with fresh AMT after a year of degridation this is not quite such a high dose.

If the AMT was stored properly, it shouldn't have been a problem. I have a friend that ordered some, didn't open the bottle until 9 months later, and it was still just as "fresh" as mine was.

On another note, not all AMT has a foul smell. There was a company selling AMT so pure that it had no smell at all, and this AMT yielded the most powerful experiences that I had ever had.

And furthermore, 30-80mg is not a good dose with fresh AMT. 35mg kicked my ass and 50mg was too much. I started increasing my doses as I got used to the drug's effects, but I disagree wholeheartedly. 80mg is a lot of AMT to be using, especially with a fresh batch!

 

[ER0X]

The stuff was very improperly stored, like I said I didnt much care for the high and just tossed the bags somewhere and forgot about the. We kept dosing so we never experienced any comedown by the end of the stretch we were definatly ready to stop, my friend had chewed his lip off. A looked like she was the wicked witch from the wizrd of oz after she came down. I never had a scale so the dosages could be off but I'm usually pretty good at estimating and dividing things up evenly and I always read like every trip report on erowid before ever putting and new chem into my body. Amt reminds me of the complete opposite of T7 in that in stead of loosing yer mind and getting really violent you loose yer mind and get real sexual, no one looked like they were suffering at any time. Altho its definatly not sexual b4 the overdose. But AMT should not be compared to drugs like LSD shrooms etc, it just doesnt have the magic that those drugs have, yes it can be powerful but it's only interesting at best. And yeah that fukin smell is sooo awfull. I got some on fingers one time and it smelled like I had my hand up my ass all day, even after washing it like 30 times I cant imagine how my friend could stick that shit up his nose. also I asked him what was going thru his head while he was nutz and he said he thought he was vacationing in the bahamas the whole time which is were he had recently gone on vacation

 

[Blowmonkey]

We kept dosing so we never experienced any comedown by the end of the stretch we were definatly ready to stop, my friend had chewed his lip off. A looked like she was the wicked witch from the wizrd of oz after she came down.

So you've never slept for a whole week?

I never had a scale so the dosages could be off but I'm usually pretty good at estimating and dividing things up evenly and I always read like every trip report on erowid before ever putting and new chem into my body

Hehe.. Guesstimating dosages can go wrong easily and reading trip reports on erowid doesn't help this either. Trip reports are nice and informative at times, but they don't tell you everything. First look at all the info you can find on AMT (eg, doses, problems that might occur, general properties, etc) and then start reading trip reports to get perspectives on it. Trip reports should not be set as guidelines for using soemthing, everyone is different.

 

[jacquescousteau]

Wow, this thread has made me realize (finally) that the rolls me and my friends ate last june were probably AMT after all.

We were told they were MDA, and that sort of fit with the "trippy roll" feeling they produced, but the thing was, they made me feel CRAZY. Like, I kept finding myself doing things that I could not find any comprehendable explanation for... and yet I couldn't find witnesses to these events, so I could never really figure out if they really happened.

The fact that AMT's been regarded as "sensual" is what's making me think it might be the one.. originally I dismissed the idea, because it still felt kinda extacy-esque. But now it makes more sense.

Several eerily strange "sexual-thoughts" entered my mind while on it, too.

They weren't like, horrible things or anything, just made me feel really weird each time, because it was like I couldn't tell if it was just the drugs or not, on an emotional level, if that makes sense.

1) One of the guys we were "rolling" with is a cool kid with some serious "fronting" issues.. I kept getting the vibe, VERY often during the trip, that he was gay. I don't have a problem with homosexuality at all, to each his own, but it was really weirding me out that I was picking up this feeling from almost thin air.

Edit: Afternote on the above: This kid is straight, as far as he knows. He had a girlfriend at the time and even mentioned her a couple times during the trip.

2) My girlfriend at one point informed me that, while me and my friend were outside smoking a joint, she "wandered around with a blanket and tried to lie down outside because she 'missed me'..." I could NOT, for the life of me, accept this statement as anything besides sexual innuendo stating that, basically, she fingered herself while we were gone because she missed me sexually.

Again, nothing wrong with that, but it's just that it didn't HAPPEN. She really just was looking for us, in the literal sense. But my perceptions, when she told me, 100% made me think she was suggesting something "behind her words" so to speak.

So yeah, I think maybe that stuff was AMT.

 

[MagickalKat777]

The fact that AMT's been regarded as "sensual" is what's making me think it might be the one.. originally I dismissed the idea, because it still felt kinda extacy-esque. But now it makes more sense.

Don't ever assume that the "rolls" you ate were something unless you are certain of it. 5-MeO-DiPT (Foxy) is regarded as being an erotic enhancer as well. And in high doses, the experience can live just as long as an AMT experience, only with a higher body load and a severe mind fuck.

Furthermore, I have recently found out through my own experimentation that 5-MeO-MiPT is a HUGELY erotic drug as well, and had a hard time satisfying myself with 8mg of it. And when I combined 4mg of 5-MeO-MiPT with 7mg of 5-MeO-AMT and a 5mg 5-MeO-DMT blast off inbetween, the results were nothing short of amazing!

I just find it hard to believe that AMT is "sensual" as in my experience, and the experience of my friends, we never had any sort of interest in sexual means, the world was too intriguing for us to worry about anything else.

However, I have noticed that 5-MeO-AMT is a sensual drug as well, very sensual in fact. I once hallucinated that my bedroom door was two figures going at it. It was like door-o'-porn, lol

It's never safe to assume that what you had is or isn't this, as it could have been any number of things, and could very well have been what you thought it was!

 

[jacquescousteau]

It's perfectly "safe" for me to make these assumptions, because it has absolutely no bearing on anything, and isn't causing any damage, whether I think it was AMT or MDA or what.

Granted, I may not be right, but your use of the word "safe" suggests that my misconception of what it is would in some way cause some kind of danger, which it certainly cannot.

Edit: P.S. Having not experienced all that many RC's, I can't really "put my finger on it" from experience, so I'm really just kind of guessing from what I've read of trip reports, etc.