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Amphetamines: Wrong to give to children?

I'm sorry but I probably won't let my kid be prescribed amps...well if I have a kid. Especially after being on bluelight and shit... Also with addiction running in the family. I mean I could have add or whatever and I'm not prescribed the stuff and I made it through school with good grades. Yeah, I would zone out a lot or want to do something else but I learned to force myself/train myself to do things. I didn't know what this problem was when I was a kid until I heard about my health teachers talking about it but for so long I learned to make myself motivated that it didn't even matter... I just don't think the doctors should be putting kids on it at age 3 or 4 like they're doing now. I mean put them on it if its the only route or whatever but I'm not going to be the parents who just says okay do it. I'm going to look at the big picture.
 
I'll elaborate in another post tomorrow, but I think it really is horrible. If given to kids here or there for heavy studying or exams, I don't think that is wrong if the kids know it is not just medicine, but a powerful psychotropic drug.
 
Renz Envy said:
I don't believe there's necessarily a huge difference in brain chemistry. ADD and ADHD is a broad range of symptoms. Pretty much anyone "can" be considered one of the two. I think if you keep the doseage at a decent level the person will only experience the focusing aspects. When you feel euphoric, is when there's usually a crash.

I work with a parent who feeds her 7 year old son all kinds of pills. Mood stabilizers. Adderall. She studied medicine in college and her kid is the most violent, insane child I have ever seen. The kid is usually on at least 4 different prescriptions.
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I've only taken adderall twice recently, 15mgs and it effected me enormously... in negative ways.

Felt okay for the first hour then just felt really edgy and almost angry, like I was walking to get smokes and just staring people down not really something i'd usually do and then you just get anxiety with it and yuck, awful drug. Never really noticed much increase in focus, if anything it made my memory foggy as hell like id lost my short term memory. I'd go to do something and completely forget what, and this would happen like 15 times a day the days I did it. Weird man... defintely don't like it though. Thought it would be awesome ;/
 
amphetamines only exacerbate the problem

neuro-feedback, diet, and exercise is the way to go IMO.
 
Amphetamines are great for ADHD imo.
Was prescribed it myself since i was 8 (concerta to dexedrine).
It helped me improve my cognitive/social skills while being able to focus without going off on someone because of my anxiety and absent mindedness.
The problem is when you find out what it actually does, and start abusing the hell out of it.

I think the main problem with scripts is overprescribing, giving kids too big of dosages, and making them take it everyday.
Just zonks you out or freaks you out.
Moderation man. I viewed it as a tool growing up, not a routine.
 
You've all probably heard of this documentary, Generation Rx... It explores this issue with children and amphetamines as well as other psychiatric medications... It's on Netflix Instant Watch so if you wanna kill an hour... there ya go. But I do agree that children and amphetamines have no business with each other.
 
Okay, so I said I would elaborate on my feelings, and I am going to elaborate. Giving amphetamines to children daily is wrong. No questions about it. Giving amphetamines to children as needed, if needed, to help study or do well on an exam is okay, I believe, but the child should be given the choice. Amphetamines should never be forced on a child, and they should always no that it is not just medicine, but exactly what it is and what it does. I am strongly opposed to the treatment of "ADHD" with psychostimulants, or even any drugs, really. I do not believe "ADHD" is caused by chemical imbalance, and that psychotherapy and other non-drug therapies can be very effective if done properly. A lot of medical professionals would say it is a chemical imbalance, well no, I am not eating that. Doctors and Big Pharma work hand-in-glove. Wonder why out of the psychostimulants Vyvanse and Concerta seem to be so popular in psychiatry? No generics. That means money right into the hands of the drug companies. It is a shame, on the Pharmaceutical Company's part, the doc's part, and to a degree the parents' part. Often parents are just ignorant to the facts, like how addictive and neurotoxic amphetamines are, and eat what the doctor tells them. Professionals can't be wrong in the eyes of too many people today. Professionals can be wrong, and often are. Involuntary daily use of amphetamines on children is horrible. They will become dependent, and the amphetamines will become less efficacious, quickly, and neurotoxicity will ensue. And it is not going to feel good coming off amphetamines after you have been on them your entire childhood. That is for sure. It just gets me, the propaganda that "MDMA puts holes in the brain", but amphetamines are advertised as medicine for "ADHD". It really is fucking bothersome, how ignorant some people are, and what lies they have been lead to believe.
 
I find it interesting that a lot of people prescribed meds for their ADD or ADHD usually don't want to take them and stop taking them lol.(atleast the people i know)

Just let kids be themselves I guess :) You can't fix a person with meds! well, maybe someone with a disease or something but ADD is personality!
 
YES! These parents truly do not understand the neuroplasticity of a child's developing brain. These kids' ADHD will be so much worse as adults if their brains were so used to being bombarded with exogenous dopamine. That, combined with the fact that amps are clearly neurotoxic to the dopamine receptors, makes it clear that these kids will probably have to be medicated well in to their adult lives if their brains mold themselves around amphetamines.
 
It really is a shame. I know one person who was treated with methylphenidate for several years of their childhood. Perceived as very intelligent in elementary, and middle school, and then surprise lazy, and apathetic in high school after the methylphenidate was discontinued. He was unfairly accused of not utilizing his full potential when in reality his neurochemistry was so fucked up it was no longer possible. It was a struggle for him to get through college, took much longer than normal. Even today in his mid-twenty's he seems very apathetic and has various symptoms of depression. More parents should know there will be long-term consequences directly related to such drug therapy.
 
verso said:
Under all circumstances? Because I have encountered very bright, but very attention-deficit students before for whom medication makes the difference, and it's quite literally the difference between dropping out of high school and becoming an electrician (not that there's anything wrong with being an electrician, it's just hard work and not for everyone...) and going on to graduate from college. I'm not exaggerating. I'm being deadly serious, and that's one hell of a difference, too big of a difference for me not to recommend medication.
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In australia most electricians make far more money and generally find it far easier to get work then most uni graduates i know, i know you werent saying that there is anything wrong with that but i feel this is a bad example as it is not uncommon for the lowest paid electricians to be paid 150 k + .
 
I feel that amphetamines can be misprescribed. I say misprescribed and not overprescribed because it is both prescribed to those who don't need it, and there are people who need it who aren't prescribed it. I have ADD. I didn't get stimulants till I was 16. If I would have gotten it treated earlier I would have avoided a lot of hardship in school. I'm convinced I'd have a doctorate by now if my parents had put me on ritalin in grade school. It's like some people need glasses to read, some people need stimulants to focus. Although if half the schools on adderall I'd agree somethings wrong, and I find shires business strategy questionable.

Children actually metabolize amphetamine more rapidly than adults, and the doses isn't effected by weight or hight(so I've read). It's stronger in adults than children. Each stimulant is 70% effective in treating symptoms and has few side effect. I wish most drugs were as effect as methylphenidate/amphetamine.

I find that at under 40-60mg of stimulants(FDA approved doses) it isn't that addictive, once one goes higher it starts to get more fiendish.

If the child is okay with it, and she/he doesn't get any bad side effects, I don't see what's so bad giving them a drug that helps them. Hell I think healthy adults should be able to use amphetamines as tonics/life enhancers if they so choose.
 
^ Damn that was a solid post! + 1

Mark Renton said:
In australia most electricians make far more money and generally find it far easier to get work then most uni graduates i know, i know you werent saying that there is anything wrong with that but i feel this is a bad example as it is not uncommon for the lowest paid electricians to be paid 150 k + .
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I wasn't referring to wages and income really, but the quality of life. I have friends who are electricians and plumbers, and they live in beautiful homes and drive beautiful cars, but they come home from work exhausted; just recently one friend of mine, a plumber, asked me to help him write the essay for his college application. I laughed and asked him why he would ever want to go to college when he's making more money than many if not most college grads are making and will make in their careers. Hell, the guy just remodeled his home again for the umpteenth time. He told me that he comes home from work shaking sometimes, as the job can be so stressful, the work so taxing, and the hours so long.

In this respect, I think that my example was an apt one, and I stand by it.
 
Giving a child amphetamines is not the same as giving someone an antibiotic or a painkiller. One does not choose to have an infection or a pain, on does choose what they pay attention to. Parents give the child amphetamines because the child isn't getting the grades that the parent wants their child to get. Don't misunderstand me, I'm not saying that this is necessarily wrong, i just don't think people should delude themselves into thinking they're curing their child of a disease.

Hey I have an idea, let's give an adderall and ritalin cocktail to all the kids who score in the 99th percentile on everything, then up their workload! THEN, parents of kids that don't do as well and dont do as much work will ask for more work for THEIR kids, and in turn more adderall, until we have the parents of the dumbest kids force feeding their offspring lethal doses of amphetamines!!!! While we're at it lets get the kids on steroids. And viagra!!!!! We don't want little Tyler running around with a softie now do we?!
 
bilboa said:
Giving a child amphetamines is not the same as giving someone an antibiotic or a painkiller. One does not choose to have an infection or a pain, on does choose what they pay attention to. Parents give the child amphetamines because the child isn't getting the grades that the parent wants their child to get. Don't misunderstand me, I'm not saying that this is necessarily wrong, i just don't think people should delude themselves into thinking they're curing their child of a disease.

Hey I have an idea, let's give an adderall and ritalin cocktail to all the kids who score in the 99th percentile on everything, then up their workload! THEN, parents of kids that don't do as well and dont do as much work will ask for more work for THEIR kids, and in turn more adderall, until we have the parents of the dumbest kids force feeding their offspring lethal doses of amphetamines!!!! While we're at it lets get the kids on steroids. And viagra!!!!! We don't want little Tyler running around with a softie now do we?!
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i have to admit, that I was laughing my ass off as I read this, but come on- this is just taking things a little too far..Little Tyler, yikes! I agree though, these medication's are offten over prescribed, and giving speed to children is at least a little morally questionable, but still-I think we're all missing the point here: without a country flooded with ADD diagnosis, where would we get our Speed, if we don't want to go completely off the rails with methamphetamine??

Over prescribing stimulants to children who eventually turn into adolescen'ts could be saving a lot of drug users from diving into a face full of Meth. I applaud their sacrifice, which could quite possibly include their owne brand of lifelong addiction.
 
Children born with ADHD are mor likly to take drugs?

Well first of all I have no Idea and this is kinda a question. I thought I would psot this here cause it fits to drugstudies the most. Well I haev noticed that about 70% of the people I know who take drugs have HDHD from birth. Here we call
is ADS and ADHS.

So yeah I was jsut asking if anyone else noticed this?
 
I use to take some kind of subtance to calm mme down and so I could concentrate mor eIts a long toime agaon liuke 4 ywears I might even still have some pills left. But they alqways made me feel bad very quit and I never was hungry...

I dont belive my thread was moved to this one casue it has nothing to do with it!
My question has nothing to do with parents giving thewir children drugs to cure it but children bor with the defizit are more likly to try out drugs.!
 
It's too similar in topic, and it can easily fit in here. Your thread was titled Children born with ADHD are more likely to take Drugs?

Sure it is slightly different, the idea that people with undiagnosed ADD/ADHD might self medicate with stimulants. It can be seen as a rebuttal to the idea that it is wrong to medicate children, though which is why I moved it into this thread. If you really have a problem with the merge, please PM me, and explain in detail what warrants it to be a seperate thread and I'll think it over. Until then it stays here.
 
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