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Amphetamines: Wrong to give to children?

devo364 said:
I'm 17 and a senior in high school I'm the varsity first string center, varsity 220lb wrestler, and also the first sting varsity shot put thrower for track and field. I have a 3.9 GPA I have awards for math science and social studies and was nominated for a national convention of young people. i also plan on going to college to be a chemist. I have a girlfriend I love so very much and hope to marry one day. i am ADHD and have been on adderall for 10 years. and it does not give me any rush or high, i feel calm when im on it and i know when it wears off as well because of the unfocused feeling i get near the end of the school day. i do not drink or do drugs my momma was a nurse in a hospital before becoming a stay at home mom while my dad is a police officer.

people who take the medication and don't need and abuse the drug are just your average morons looking for a faster way to kill them self's

so all the shit is a bunch of bulll
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That's better. I have severe adhd, and I don't take ritalin or adderall for it. Can I have a medal pwease?
Oh wait, I use amphetamines for recreation sometimes. I'm guessing "morons" can't have medals? I'm sorry, not busting your balls or anything, but abusing these drugs is simply not the topic.

This is a forum about drugs. Just because it has a label and you can buy it at a pharmacy doesn't make it any less of a drug. You may have adhd, but you're still using a potent drug every day to make your life easier..

It can have benefits, adhd patients are more prone to drug abuse, and addictions. This lessens if they are medicated from a young age with these types of drugs. That can make it worth it.. I guess. I'd still not be comfortable giving my child amphetamines though.
 
"A.D.D or A.D.H.D" is thrown around way too much in the medical field, especially when it comes to childreen.

They're hyper and won't pay attention in class?
They don't ever want to sit still?
It takes them hours to do homework?

MAYBE ITS BECAUSE THEIR CHILDREN.
 
It's very wrong to give a child a powerful psycho active drug unless that they REALLY need it. So this asking another Q WHY is it so many do? in the USA? do you think there is a link to junk food I sure seem too.
 
PillToChill said:
That's better. I have severe adhd, and I don't take ritalin or adderall for it. Can I have a medal pwease?
Oh wait, I use amphetamines for recreation sometimes. I'm guessing "morons" can't have medals? I'm sorry, not busting your balls or anything, but abusing these drugs is simply not the topic.

This is a forum about drugs. Just because it has a label and you can buy it at a pharmacy doesn't make it any less of a drug. You may have adhd, but you're still using a potent drug every day to make your life easier..

It can have benefits, adhd patients are more prone to drug abuse, and addictions. This lessens if they are medicated from a young age with these types of drugs. That can make it worth it.. I guess. I'd still not be comfortable giving my child amphetamines though.
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I appreciate that you realize that although there are certainly risks involved with putting children on these drugs, NOT doing so IF they genuinely need it is actually much more dangerous in the end.
I wasn't treated as a child, and I suffered for it. Not whining, just sharing my experience :)
I do agree that drugs are too easily handed out to kids now.
Gotta run, more later!
 
missmegandelaney said:
"A.D.D or A.D.H.D" is thrown around way too much in the medical field, especially when it comes to childreen.

They're hyper and won't pay attention in class?
They don't ever want to sit still?
It takes them hours to do homework?

MAYBE ITS BECAUSE THEIR CHILDREN.
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Exactly. This is something I noticed growing up. It was more of a question of, who didn't have ADD or ADHD? I always felt like doctors literally just hand out medications for ADD like it's candy. I was once seeing a therapist in high school and of course she thought I had a mild case of ADD so she prescribed me Adderall. I'll be honest, I don't have ADD and I know for a fact I didn't need those meds, but I took them anyway ;)

I do remember the kids who actually had ADD / ADHD. Those kids were always the ones being loud, obnoxious, and constantly moving around unable to sit still. For them, yeah I think it's a good idea to be prescribed to something for that.
 
SproutOnSmack said:
When people who are not in need of these meds use them, it is, in my opinion, cheating - don't get me wrong, I used ritalin for an exam (once) and got an A without a single hour of studying (I was expecting an E).

I cheated, and felt so shit I never did it again.
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I disagree. It's not like writing the answers on your hand, and if you don't know the answer, then the adderall, ritalin, or whatever stimulant you've taken won't magically put the answer into your head.

It increases one's ability to focus, and any stimulant, caffeine even, will do the same thing; so is the student who chugged an energy drink before studying for the exam somehow cheating? In fact, you don't even need a stimulant to increase your ability to focus. The next time that you study for an exam, put your feet into a bucket and fill it with ice and ice-cold water. They've found that this level of discomfort actually increases an individual's ability to retain information. So is "ice bucketing" now cheating as well?

And if what you're saying is that it increases's an individual's actual performance on the exam, well, I know that I perform much better on exams when I eat a good meal and go to sleep early, and many others find this to be true as well. Again, energy drinks are also a viable option.

It's unfortunate because I do understand what you're saying in that these are things that are not available to every student; not every student is fortunate enough to have an adderall prescription, but, then again, not every student is fortunate enough to have a home life that's conducive to their studies. It's hard to eat a good meal and go to bed early when your father's a deadbeat, your mother works nights, and you have to look after your brothers and sisters. (I had a student where this was the case, actually, and he didn't perform well on... on any task, actually.)

It's sad, really sad, but again, I don't think that it's "cheating" exactly. I wouldn't say that stimulants are to academics what steroids are to weight-lifting or sports; I would say that stimulants are to academics what protein powder, vitamins and whatever else are to weight-lifting and sports. Do you see what I'm saying?

Because it's not like adderall = knowledge. Again, if you don't know the answer, adderall won't put the answer into your head. You don't pop an adderall and suddenly you know quantum physics. It increases one's ability to focus which in turn increases their ability to study and learn and attain greater knowledge. (They can just as easily go ahead and jerk off for four hours and learn absolutely nothing and bomb the test.)

Taking steroids however, actually results in greater muscle mass and whatever, and so one actually does grow stronger. Protein powder and vitamins and whatever else will just help you to develop the muscle, but you still need to hit the fucking gym. See what I mean?
 
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^You still need to hit the gym and train with steroids too.

I don't have any problems giving children low, controlled oral doses of stimulants. It's not like you're making the kid do a hot rail of a dub sack. They're really not that bad. Wish I got them at a younger age.

Fuck it, let everyone get stimulants! Make Medicaid pay for it. ADDERALL FOR ALL!=D
 
Wrote this in another thread, better suited for this one I suppose. I was tweaked out so it could be a loada crap, I'm too tired to revise atm.

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There are millions of people with these disorders. I can't believe they haven't figured out yet that adhd is too common to be a disorder. It just means you're not one to sit in a classroom all day, come home, grab your books and start studying till you need to go to bed because the next (boring) day is on its way. People with ADHD get distracted because that shit is boring. They get depressed because they can't focus on some subjects of their (boring) education, which seems to have become a measurement for intelligence nowadays. It's bullshit.

Having only one 'standard' form of (early) education for every different kind of person is ridiculous. ADHD'ers aren't stupid and they don't need medication. They just need to hear/do/see something that is actually interesting to them. (Non ADHDers would be better off too, I'm sure.) Throw out all the bullshit you will never ever need in life.. School could actually become interesting that way.. Learning should be interesting, but because of the school system it's usually not. Basic knowledge and all that is fine and it's something you will need in life. Though imo people need the oppertunity to learn the job they want to do without having to learn (advanced) shit they won't ever need for it and do not care about.

If you teach these people the job they want to do by showing them how it's done, I'm sure they'd be interested enough to pay attention and I'm sure they'd learn faster too. Ideally not needing some pieces of paper to prove you're intelligent enough to get into that class in the first place. That would open up alot of doors for alot of people. It can be determined then and there whether or not the job is something that person is willing and able to do for the rest of his/her life. Now you have to have all these degrees before you can get a real idea of what the job's like. If it turns out to be a job you don't like afterall, you're stuck with that (type of) job anyway.

I know there are jobs that only require very job-specific schooling, but those are usually the jobs that anyone could learn in a matter of days, and that don't require said pieces of paper. These forms of education are treated asif they're a 'last resort' for 'stupid' people. Well I say it's the best form of education. I'm talking about any and every job here. From carpenter to doctor. By seeing what it's like and doing it you can get a good idea of the knowledge you'll really need to get the job of your dreams.

Correct me if I'm wrong, or if my point of view isn't valid or just plain twisted. I'm just writing down everything that comes to mind. Fuggin amps. :p

"We don't need no medication, we don't need no thought control" =D
 
I can't say that its wrong to give a child amphetamines in EVERY SINGLE CASE, but I do think they are wayy over-prescribed. Growing up my mom had a friend who's son was diagnosed with ADHD and bipolar disorder at only 3! He was put on a slew of anti-psychotics and at least one ADHD medication. His mom constantly complained to my mom about his behavioral problems at home and school. He came over to our house a couple times and was literally bouncing off the walls. One time he opened the door of a moving car and tried to jump out. Things literally couldn't get worse! I can't believe how ignorant my mom's friend was. I hate to be judgmental, but it really makes me sick.

There was also this boy I babysat for a short period of time who was allegedly ADHD and took meds for it. He was super hyper, easily agitated, and just completely erratic.

I think that ADHD meds were making both of these kid's conditions worse.
 
Good question. Adderall to me is the most addictive drug that I have ever done next to powder (they feel exactly the same btw)
 
The first time I ever messed around with ritalin and dexedrine, my very first thought was "I can't believe they give this shit to 6 year olds!". I will never, ever medicate my child with that stuff. It's incredibly disturbing to me that our society gets kids high on speed to try and force them to fit into the one, narrow way of learning that public schools function with. The answer to ADHD and behavioral problems is not to get kids high. A lot of it is diet, vitamin deficiency, and different styles of learning. Not every kid learns the one style that schools use. I think that's a huge part of where the problem lies. I was diagnosed "ADHD" but I wasn't dumb, I wasn't troubled, and I definitely didn't need to be medicated. I was a creative kid who didn't function well in that one style of learning. I learned better by being hands on and trying things myself, not reading them off of a chalk board. If ADHD kids could experiment with other styles of learning, I think that would be a massive step forward in "treating" ADHD. There isn't anything wrong with these kids, they're just different and their brains work and function differently. I'm an adult now and I'm definitely still a lil ADHD at times but I take E3 Live Brain On every day and it's incredible for helping me focus. I'll be giving my kids that before I ever let a doctor or teacher put them on speed. I can't even imagine the damage these medications must do to these kids brains over so many years. It makes me sad...

Not to mention, these drugs tend to horribly stifle the amazing creativity that so many of these kids have. We need to stop branding every child who's different as sick or problematic.
 
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I think the attitude should be, their brains are still in heavy development, acute neurotoxicity is present, and they're over-prescribed just like anti-depressants as an easy fix to a very real problem.

In some cases yes, perhaps they do need amps to function better, but theres other options often ignored/stigmatized. If anything, ritalin/reuptake inhibitors would probably be a better option since its not as toxic. but still, powerful drugs, unknown long term side affects in developing children, and definitely an easy-fix to a problem that can potentially be solved if more effort was being put into helping them w/out a drug with the track record amp's have.
 
blackskirt said:
I grew up as one of those children (Have had an Adderall script for ADD since the age of nine or so), and can't say I remember experiencing any sort of "high", "come-down" or other adverse effects aside from not having much of an appetite. Personally I think those adverse effects are experienced if the wrong dosage is being administered or the medication is being prescribed to people who don't need it.
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I was also like that but I took Ritalin (both IR and ER), and then later Adderall, and Dexedrine; but not all at the same time. I never abused them, or took a huge or even moderate dose like you hear about people doing. I did not get a high from them, or a crash, and I would sometimes actually fall asleep on both the Dexedrine and Adderall in school especially if it was an early morning class and I was bored.
 
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