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amphetamines + tryptamines
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Cyanoide
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Amphetamines destroy the deepness and spiritual, trippy aspect of tryptamines. Psychedelics soften (or with high doses "kill") your ego, while amphetamines boost your ego. You will feel more clear-headed but much of the psychedelia will be lost. The trip will feel hard, cold and without much empathy and connectedness to nature, people, and your inner self. For me psychedelics and amphetamines are the complete opposite, they just don't go together. The only thing I could imagine doing is taking an extremely small dose of a stimulant with e.g. 4-AcO-DMT to counter the extremely sedative nature of it. I also found it impossible to reach a feeling of inner peace if amphetamines were to be taken with tryptamines.
I did take speed with tryptamines in the early 2000's when psychedelics didn't have the same meaning for me as they have know. I just wanted to be wasted and high then. I'd never do it again. Speed is a purely hedonistic substance, which makes you gives you a huge ego-boost, you feel self-confident, even arrogant, and think you can handle everything. There's nothing humble in that feeling. Psychedelics makes me humble, I don't want to destroy that feeling.
I know this is a bit of a ranting but I just consider speed to be the opposite of tryptamines, there is absolutely no synergy between them. But if you don't mind losing the trippy mind and thoughts and rather just "have fun", I guess you could combine them. But don't expect anything deep or mystical from the combination.
Edit: If you want a speedy trip, phenethylamines are a better choice. You don't have to take any extra stimulants, most phens are very physically stimulating by themself (a reason I dislike most phens). Sure there are quite stimulating tryptamines too, but they're not speedy in the same way as amphetamine is.
I did take speed with tryptamines in the early 2000's when psychedelics didn't have the same meaning for me as they have know. I just wanted to be wasted and high then. I'd never do it again. Speed is a purely hedonistic substance, which makes you gives you a huge ego-boost, you feel self-confident, even arrogant, and think you can handle everything. There's nothing humble in that feeling. Psychedelics makes me humble, I don't want to destroy that feeling.
I know this is a bit of a ranting but I just consider speed to be the opposite of tryptamines, there is absolutely no synergy between them. But if you don't mind losing the trippy mind and thoughts and rather just "have fun", I guess you could combine them. But don't expect anything deep or mystical from the combination.
Edit: If you want a speedy trip, phenethylamines are a better choice. You don't have to take any extra stimulants, most phens are very physically stimulating by themself (a reason I dislike most phens). Sure there are quite stimulating tryptamines too, but they're not speedy in the same way as amphetamine is.
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Well the combination of N,N-DMT with either dextroamphetamine, 4-fluoroamphetamine or 2-fluoroamphetamine make the 'zooming' velocity and that of my general train of thought even an order of magnitude higher,however most spiritual aspects are lost in turn for a clarity of mind similar to what limited experience with DOX showed me. I distinctly recall images flashing before my eyes maybe even like 30 Hz, of random objects and people and places - no apparent connection whatsoever. A strange thing about this is that I have experienced the exact same before with not more than a handful of times with cannabis, IIRC most likely when getting hit hard with very low tolerance.
N,N-DMT can give me mini-episodes of panic involving forgetting how to breathe properly: not too deep, not too shallow, not too fast or slow. Usually this is quite minimal and a transient phase associated with being overwhelmed at the very peak. Amphetamines amplify this unrest a lot for me. All normal ones do, but MDMA is very different. With DMT it did not give me uncomfortable side-effects or if it did I was too euphoric to mind, also it helped take almost all general fear away. Even though it was great, taking MDMA for the sole purpose of taking your DMT fears away doesn't seem right to me. Fear and darkness - though with moderation - deserve to be part of the big picture, as part of dualism.
An experience with 4-AcO-DMT and methylone (among other things) ended me up at the ER with a panic attack that escalated by blood gas concentrations. While it is a complex story, I feel like the residual anxiety contributed by methylone was part of the problem. Avoid that when your psychedelic effects are scheduled to continue.
I'm not sure how often in total I have taken tryptamines with amphetamines or tryptamines with stimulants in general. In retrospect I would not recommend it to be honest.
aMT which is chemically a hybrid between amphetamine and tryptamine, that I find wonderful. aMT, I definitely would recommend.
But looking at your more specific example of adderall and 4-HO-MPT, let's start by asking why you would want to have the adderall in the mix? Is it prescribed to you and are you always on it? If so, I think it should be okay but just don't take anything more than a 'maintenance' dose of adderall. Just enough not to feel weirded out by the change in your state. Reconsider adding a bit extra to make it extra superduper nice.
With amphetamines there is first (at quite low doses) that feeling of having more space and fresh air in your mind - a feeling of open room in your head... at least IMO/IME, if the dose is higher than that I start to feel more and more driven. I think that this element of stimulation can in best cases color your headspace and make it feel like you are less 'pure', perhaps intoxicated is the word. In worst cases especially if the trip is also strong, stimulation could add extra overdrive.
But, having given my opinion I should say: I have limited positive things to say about stimulants and would not call myself a speedfreak type of guy. Perhaps if you are, you like your speed together with virtually any other drug. And the same could be said about serious opiate users: for them it might be much more normal to combine opiates with anything else that is used.
N,N-DMT can give me mini-episodes of panic involving forgetting how to breathe properly: not too deep, not too shallow, not too fast or slow. Usually this is quite minimal and a transient phase associated with being overwhelmed at the very peak. Amphetamines amplify this unrest a lot for me. All normal ones do, but MDMA is very different. With DMT it did not give me uncomfortable side-effects or if it did I was too euphoric to mind, also it helped take almost all general fear away. Even though it was great, taking MDMA for the sole purpose of taking your DMT fears away doesn't seem right to me. Fear and darkness - though with moderation - deserve to be part of the big picture, as part of dualism.
An experience with 4-AcO-DMT and methylone (among other things) ended me up at the ER with a panic attack that escalated by blood gas concentrations. While it is a complex story, I feel like the residual anxiety contributed by methylone was part of the problem. Avoid that when your psychedelic effects are scheduled to continue.
I'm not sure how often in total I have taken tryptamines with amphetamines or tryptamines with stimulants in general. In retrospect I would not recommend it to be honest.
aMT which is chemically a hybrid between amphetamine and tryptamine, that I find wonderful. aMT, I definitely would recommend.
But looking at your more specific example of adderall and 4-HO-MPT, let's start by asking why you would want to have the adderall in the mix? Is it prescribed to you and are you always on it? If so, I think it should be okay but just don't take anything more than a 'maintenance' dose of adderall. Just enough not to feel weirded out by the change in your state. Reconsider adding a bit extra to make it extra superduper nice.
With amphetamines there is first (at quite low doses) that feeling of having more space and fresh air in your mind - a feeling of open room in your head... at least IMO/IME, if the dose is higher than that I start to feel more and more driven. I think that this element of stimulation can in best cases color your headspace and make it feel like you are less 'pure', perhaps intoxicated is the word. In worst cases especially if the trip is also strong, stimulation could add extra overdrive.
But, having given my opinion I should say: I have limited positive things to say about stimulants and would not call myself a speedfreak type of guy. Perhaps if you are, you like your speed together with virtually any other drug. And the same could be said about serious opiate users: for them it might be much more normal to combine opiates with anything else that is used.
piebald
Bluelighter
Yes i do... and no its not a really great time.
Jakeperson
Bluelighter
If you like psychotic episodes and thought loops go ahead 
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I've watched some one try to kill themselves with methadone from this combination.
.I've watched some one try to kill themselves with methadone from this combination.
interesting, i appreciate the replys especially the more detailed ones.
i have some experience with tryptamines on amphetamines. specifically psilocybin. I agree with the lack of deepness or connectedness. wasnt really expecting much deepness or connectedness in this instance but i'll probably reconsider
i have some experience with tryptamines on amphetamines. specifically psilocybin. I agree with the lack of deepness or connectedness. wasnt really expecting much deepness or connectedness in this instance but i'll probably reconsider
D-amphetamine is very enjoyable combined with 4-aco-dmt or psilocybe cubensis mushrooms, at least in my experience. I don't experience anxiety with d-amph or with psychedelics, but people who do tend to report increased anxiety combining the two. For me, there's nothing cold or hard about the experience at all. It's exhilarating and euphoric in a way that's different than either amphetamines or psychedelics alone. The spiritual aspect of the trip is lost, but every trip doesn't have to be spiritual unless you consider psychedelics to be sacred somehow.
Adderall wouldn't be my first choice, though. The l-amph in adderall adds too many side effects at recreational doses, at least in my experience. A smallish adderall dose would be alright, but I'd much rather take dexedrine if I wanted a speedy trip.
Adderall wouldn't be my first choice, though. The l-amph in adderall adds too many side effects at recreational doses, at least in my experience. A smallish adderall dose would be alright, but I'd much rather take dexedrine if I wanted a speedy trip.
I've never felt strongly stimulated from shrooms or 4-aco-dmt, not like amphetamine or MDMA at least. I don't think it's possible for a combo like that to give me a panic attack. Well, maybe if I tried skydiving while tripping. That actually sounds like fun. If either amphetamine or tryptamines give you anxiety, though, the combo could make it worse.