Stimulants Amphetamines and Cigarettes

[tricomb]

I don't know what you're talking about, if you have a link to that thread I could look into it, there's obviously some context I'm missing here.

I don't see what's wrong with posting links to government studies, people post sources from PubMed, national library of medicine, national institution of health, etc all the time, they are credible sources.

For example, http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmedhealth/PMH0000567/

 

[Captain.Heroin]

It is a well-known fact that nicotine is a great drug for increasing feelings of pleasure

This may be true for some people, but I honestly dislike the effects of nicotine and would never use it, even if I had nicotine by itself and not in the form of a cigarette (the latter I highly despise).

I could list a few reasons why I believe this, but it would be a long post.

I don't know, it just makes me too tweaky.

This is exactly why I wanted to point out how it's going to vary a lot.

You'll find people who aren't going to want to combine the two for whatever reason.

 

[Znegative]

Yeah, aside from five weeks in a hospital, the longest period I've gone without a single ciggarette was about a week last summer during a massive MDPV binge. If that stim session didn't end with such psychological trauma, I'd think it was the cure for nicotine.

Similarly Bupropion completely takes away the urge to smoke for me. Unfortunately it also makes me feel like shit-all the awful side effects of cathinones/amphetamines, with barely any of the positive. Plus, even at therapeutic dosages the shit can cause seizures.

IME ciggarette's are the most seductive on opiates and benzo's (or any CNS depressant).

 

[podsnomo]

I think the idea is that, for whatever reason(s), lots of links to gov websites from BL can bring more attention to our site from the Feds than many of us would like. ??
Just a theory.

I don't see what's wrong with pasting. I like the info right here in the thread. Just my .02.

I don't know what you're talking about, if you have a link to that thread I could look into it, there's obviously some context I'm missing here.

I don't see what's wrong with posting links to government studies, people post sources from PubMed, national library of medicine, national institution of health, etc all the time, they are credible sources.

For example, http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmedhealth/PMH0000567/

 

[max_]

amphs have a way to self-regulate (unless you throw your life down the toilet). Cigarettes on the other hand, you can never have too many.

 

[THC2LSD]

It could be argued that Adderall is a lesser evil than cigarettes. At least adderall won't give you cancers and fuck up your lungs. And tobacco's much harder to quit IMHO.

I find that uppers, alcohol, and opioids increase the urge to smoke. It's common to chain-smoke on amphetamines. But at the same time it increases the nausea with alcohol and opioids. And it increases the body load for uppers.

Nicotine's a pretty potent constrictor of the arteries, I think it might make cocaine and amphetamines harder on the heart. I think I read somewhere that smokers are much more likely to have heart problems from cocaine than non-smokers.

 

[tricomb]

I think the idea is that, for whatever reason(s), lots of links to gov websites from BL can bring more attention to our site from the Feds than many of us would like. ??
Just a theory.

I don't see what's wrong with pasting. I like the info right here in the thread. Just my .02.

Definitely not....

There's no point in copying and pasting information if you're not going to post the source. Without the link, the posted information is not credible, it's like turning in a paper without your works cited.

I don't know what LP's talking about regarding government links, but I'm sure that something was taken out of context, so government links like the one I posted are fine to post.

 

[Tryptamino]

It could be argued that Adderall is a lesser evil than cigarettes. At least adderall won't give you cancers and fuck up your lungs. And tobacco's much harder to quit IMHO.

I find that uppers, alcohol, and opioids increase the urge to smoke. It's common to chain-smoke on amphetamines. But at the same time it increases the nausea with alcohol and opioids. And it increases the body load for uppers.

Nicotine's a pretty potent constrictor of the arteries, I think it might make cocaine and amphetamines harder on the heart. I think I read somewhere that smokers are much more likely to have heart problems from cocaine than non-smokers.

i find it decreases alcohol nausea, as well as opioid nausea, always found it weird actually, as without each other, nicotine, alcohol and opiates all make me quite nauseous.

 

[helium-4]

I find a few drugs get my body going with a desire of a smoke. Opioids I must say are at the top of the list, with the effects of the cig/tobacco doing a little more than the usually short/fast stimulation followed by a mellow chill that is noticeably more psychoactive active than a cig/tobacco is in the first place. The opioids generally decrease all of the negative side-effects of a cig, allowing for the typical blockade/depression of the peripheral nicotinic receptors post initial N1 (peripheral myoneural junctions) and N2 (peripheral autonomic ganglia) receptor agonism to add ever so nicely to the body high from the opioids. Of course being the chemical that nicotine is, it's rapidly absorbed in the CNS functioning as an nicotinic agonist at non-peripheral Nr's, and with large doses there is an initial marked increase in stimulation before profound depression, which can result in the depression of the respiratory center (potentially leading to death), as well as tachyphylaxis (rapid increase in sensitization of of the receptors). Anyway, basically what I'm saying, I feel with opioids It increases the high, rather than just adding another layer of psychoactive effects. A cig really helps when you are almost at a nod, just smoked some weed, and drank a cup of coffee. I end up having to put the cig out as a short before I nod out and burn many more holes in my shorts (or worse burn down the residence).

Now I'll agree, I love to smoke on amphetamines, and will either smoke one in hours (if hyperfocused) or chain smoke for who knows how long, however, especially if I don't have a nicotine tolerance (or much of one), I'll get a lot of the negative peripheral side-effects. I'll still enjoy smoking, but I just have to deal will some annoying physical sensations. This can especially suck when you don't have an opioid in you, were drunk the night before, and drunk that cup of coffee - it becomes easy to shit your pants haha for one.

With weed I love to smoke a cig after smoking the bowl or whatever, but it really don't doesn't add much to the experience like with opioids or even amphetamines which didn't have much more of a desired set of effects, just the need for the repetition. The cig after the weed, or even just cannabinoids feels pretty much the same as if sober, just some sleepiness on top of the cannabinoids generally, part sedating effects. I can't hate, but its nothing special.

Now on psychedelics it can be a love or hate thing, however primarily a love thing (I'm not including NMDA-antagonist due to their potential effect on the nicotinic receptors, which sensitizes the receptors and increases the relative amount of negative nicotinic effects). Its been a life line for me in the past when I've had off trips. It is an amazing social event when tripping with friends, and trippy when alone. Really, I need atleast 1 pack of cigs for the day if I'm tripping; if its 12+ hours more for the trip I may even need part of another pack)

When I have cigs now I can get stuck on them pretty quick due to the methadones dose dependent correlated increase in cig smoking in MMT patients (though I'm not a MMT patient). I usually forget about them 2 days after I stop smoking and will most likely not crave really a thing after that point.

 

[littlepenguin]

Definitely not....

There's no point in copying and pasting information if you're not going to post the source. Without the link, the posted information is not credible, it's like turning in a paper without your works cited.

I don't know what LP's talking about regarding government links, but I'm sure that something was taken out of context, so government links like the one I posted are fine to post.

good god. 8) yeah, none of the things I posted are credible, even though in the longer one, there's about 40 doctors listed/hospitals that participated in the study, and I clearly said "IF you would LIKE THE LINK to the SOURCE, PLEASE ASK ME." but you're right, I probably don't have the links, I was just making up all that stuff for shits n giggles and nothing I say or post is credible.

And to the person who stated above that the reason for not linking to govt websites was to decrease attention to this site, I think was the reason the moderator used when I asked why.

I didn't take anything out of context, I'm pretty sure I was clearly told not to do that, therefore I haven't done it since. I can't find the exact post, but I'm not really looking that hard....maybe since you're the mod, you should?

there's no way I came up with that out of the blue...somebody had to have told me not to, or else I would have been linking to dot gov sites this whole time.

 

[tricomb]

good god. 8) yeah, none of the things I posted are credible, even though in the longer one, there's about 40 doctors listed/hospitals that participated in the study, and I clearly said "IF you would LIKE THE LINK to the SOURCE, PLEASE ASK ME." but you're right, I probably don't have the links, I was just making up all that stuff for shits n giggles and nothing I say or post is credible.

And to the person who stated above that the reason for not linking to govt websites was to decrease attention to this site, I think was the reason the moderator used when I asked why.

I didn't take anything out of context, I'm pretty sure I was clearly told not to do that, therefore I haven't done it since. I can't find the exact post, but I'm not really looking that hard....maybe since you're the mod, you should?

there's no way I came up with that out of the blue...somebody had to have told me not to, or else I would have been linking to dot gov sites this whole time.

Don't be silly.. I never said you made anything up for shits or for giggles. You said yourself if anyone wants the link to please ask you, I did that, and still you've posted no links and are trying to start shit over nothing.

I'm not going to search for this mystery post that I was offering to clarify.

I've been posting pubmed as a source forever, it's a great resource for studies.