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Amphetamine: What actually is it?

I'd say the chances of you being sold any alternative stimulant are pretty remote to be honest.

Most of the time you're lucky to get more than ephedrine and glucose in your 'speed', let alone anything else. Also, I should imagine most of the alternatives aren't significantly cheaper to acquire in bulk than good old amphetamine.
 
There was speed round here, waxy orange stuff, everyone was loving it but when tested with EZ testing kit no amphetamines were present. It does happen. BZP or something I reckon.
 
^ Nasty, nasty, nasty.

I knew that went on with MDMA but I've never experienced it with speed. Though I suppose BZP's hardly new is it?

I would've thought there was more money to be made from pressing that stuff into pills, but maybe people are getting wiser. Or at least some people.
 
There's still shite E's round here. A boy I know was trying to sell 'nike' pills for £5 each, definately not MDMA he's probably just bought 50 and trying to double his money, everyone seems to think all the expensive pills are going to be strong MDMA.

I'm sure the likes of pv etc has probably appeared in homemade bits of 'speed'. The majority of speed does actually contain some amphetamine though I'd say.
 
SG said:
I knew that went on with MDMA but I've never experienced it with speed. Though I suppose BZP's hardly new is it?
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In Dublin recently a sample of GC/MS tested street "coke" showed up as BZP + ephedrine + caffeine etc. No cocaine present.
I'd imagine alot of the "sulphate" paste doing the rounds is made up of various other stimulants to make up for the incredibly low percentage of actual amphetamine.

Will see if I can get my friend to GC/MS test a bit of the base currently doing the rounds here.
 
Acid4Blood said:
I'd imagine alot of the "sulphate" paste doing the rounds is made up of various other stimulants to make up for the incredibly low percentage of actual amphetamine.
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Oh, without a doubt. I just think those other stimulants are far more likely to be ephedrine / pseudo, glucose, taurine and caffeine (or other traditional cuts) rather than any novel designer substance or amphetamine analogue. Though I suppose I'd forgotten that BZP existed.

That's amazing about the 'coke' though - I had no idea things were quite that bad. :\

I'd be well up for seeing GC/MS results on some street paste. If you could get that done it'd be amazing.
 
SamhainGrim said:
Has anybody ever been encouraged to believe that an RC they purchased was an amphetamine though?

I agree completely that it'd be a nefarious bit of marketing were it to happen, but I've never heard anything of the sort to be honest.

As for there being a slew of new drugs for which the full effects profile isn't known, there's definitely some truth in that. Then again I seem to recall people said similar things about MDMA once upon a time.
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My point wasn't vendors advertising a rc as speed it was vast amounts of rc's being used in classic drugs sold the old school way.

Yes I also recall the same said about MDMA but as we all know you've got more chance of dying with a peanut alergy than MDMA killing you. In fact speed is a FDA approved medicine along with meth and, if MAPs get their way, MDMA will be too.

Could the same be said for the now hundreds soon to be thousands of rc's?

Mescaline, psilocybin, ibogaine and LSD were once legal and cheaply availablefrom research chemical companies until they were scheduled which IMO are 4 of the most potential chemicals for doing good on this planet.
Now you need a licence, lots of money and shunning from the conventional medical and science community if you want to work with them.
These 4 chemicals on their own would take a couple of generations to fully understand so to me my past of 'ohhh I love everyone', 'ohhh look at the microwave breathing' and shallow experiences like that pale into insignificance compared to what a small but dedicated movement are tying to achieve with these chemicals.

Treating PTSD, cluster headaches, anxiety issues due to life ending illness and over coming heroin addiction sure blows my past of dancing to repetitive beats.

With this new law of a years temp ban before classification will further more frustrate research people as a year is fuck all time to do anything with a drug just to see slapped in at class A therefore making research a pain in the arse.

It's just where I'm at but it's a free world isn't it?
 
Vader said:
Mephedrone, methylone and MDPV are amphetamines, as are the APBs and "5-IT"... let's not get caught up in equivocation, folks.
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Really? How can a cathinone be an amphetamine? I thought it had to have amphetamine in the chemical name, in order to be one. Shows what I know! :D
 
SamhainGrim said:
Has anybody ever been encouraged to believe that an RC they purchased was an amphetamine though?

I agree completely that it'd be a nefarious bit of marketing were it to happen, but I've never heard anything of the sort to be honest.
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Poor wording by me. I meant stimulants in general. And there is no shortage of stimulant RC marketing. My point being that with this shortage of decent phet, people will search for other stimulants.
 
I came across 4-Fluromethamphetamine the other day! £16 a gram aswell, was tempted to give it a spin but concidering the recent chest pains I've had after drinking amphetamines probably aren't wise.
 
I would love to give that 4-fluromethamphetamine a go though! Bet it blows normal amphetamine sulphate or meth out of the water, 4-FA is better than normal phet IMO, as is meth, surely the two combined must be blow the head off euphoria. Was always on the 'to do list', but anytime I do uppers now I can't say I really enjoy them. Dodgy chest after, high feeling blood pressure and feel shite for 3-4 days. Gotta weigh it up and it's just not worth it.
 
How can a cathinone be an amphetamine?
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All cathinones are necessarily also amphetamines. The cathinones are a subset of the amphetamines, those with a double-bonded oxygen at the beta position on the side chain (in this case, the double bonded oxygen is called a ketone, so the cathinones are beta-ketone amphetamines, hence the "bk" nomenclature). They're special cases of the amphetamines. Similarly, the amphetamines are a subset of the phenethylamines, those with a methyl group at the alpha position (alphamethylphenylethylamine, geddit?). So, any cathinone must also be an amphetamine, and any amphetamine must also be a phenethylamine.
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The top structure is phenethylamine, followed by amphetamine, cathinone, and then mephedrone (4-methylmethcathinone, or 4-methyl-beta-keto-methamphetamine, or 4,N,a-trimethyl-beta-keto-phenethylamine, they're all names for the same thing). Hopefully you can see that mephedrone belongs to all three classes of chemicals. I hope I've made this clear, though I've probably needlessly complicated it.
 
Crystal clear Vader, it's nice to see someone on here who knows what the fuck he's talking about.

Give any of those to a 15 year old first time user and say it's speed and they'll believe you once they've come down off the ceiling.

Apart from PEA of course, talking of which I quite fancy a chocolate bar :)
 
Really well explained. Cheers, Vader. :) The other reason I was thinking they weren't amphetamines is because they need different precursors (don't they?) to regular amphetamine sulphate. So, speed is the aMT of the phenethylamine world... Both pretty good examples of how the groups differ.
 
Lots and lots of different precursers to reach lots and lots of final products mate.
Some stims and some swirls. The PEA's are the same apparently it's all about the placement of the oxygen atoms on the molecules that decide what type of active compound it is.
So you can have a amphetamine that makes you chill or a PEA that stimulates you.
Crazy stuff this chemistry lark.
 
Yeah, I'm aware of that - like MDMA being a methamphetamine, yet it doesn't give (me) much energy, etc. I just meant the precursor for amphetamine isn't the same as methylone, for example - yet it is still an amphetamine. That was my reasoning. I've learnt something today - nice one, Vader!
 
Yea funny that, coz MDMA used to stimulate the fuck out of me being just a stimulate. Then it just stopped working in fact reversed IMO and a great sleep aid.
I suppose that's what you get for permanently damaging a place in your brain.
Mind you lots of other places to play with with all the fancy combos that were manufactured over the years!
 
Yeah, MDMA used to stimulate me, actually. Then it changed to wanting to lie down, with my eyes closed - still very nice and loved up, just not always appropriate for a club. I don't think it's damage, at all - rather changes. The brain changes the way it responds to certain things, after enough exposure. It's just rewiring.
 
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