AFAIK both dopamine and norepinephrine increase cardiovascular stress, which is a main problem for me when using stims (heartrate, blood pressure, slight heartache etc). I think as far as amphetamine class goes you can't have one (euphoria) without the other (body stress) due to DA and NE.
I've tried phenibut with (completely anecdotal evidence from various dosages - i think i have atypical response):
Are there other recreational stimulants that have much lower cardiovascular stress and pair well with phenibut? What about stuff like nicotine? Or other stimulants that are not substituted amphetamines?
I've tried phenibut with (completely anecdotal evidence from various dosages - i think i have atypical response):
Substance: | Cardiovascular stress, even with high dosage of phenibut: | Synergy with phenibut: | Synergy for: | Recreational use by itself: | For: | Low dosages for productivity: | |
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Dextroamphetamine | Brutal | Pretty good | General socialization | Useless | Everything except typing a lot of text | Very good | |
Speed sulphate | Pretty bad | Pretty good | General socialization, mastrubation | Useless | Everything except mastrubation | Very good | |
MDMA | Decent | Very nice | Mainly music, enjoyment also socialization with close friends, mastrubation | Useless | Everything except mastrubation (great) | / | |
Methylphenidate | OK | Doesn't pair that well | Nothing really | Useless | Everything except typing a lot of text | Useless | |
2C-B | Virtually no stress | Decent | Music and enjoyment only | Very good | Music, TV, retrospection, mood etc. | / | |
Phenylpiracetam | Is it even a stimulant? | Nothing special | Feeling more sober? | Useless | / | Useless |
Are there other recreational stimulants that have much lower cardiovascular stress and pair well with phenibut? What about stuff like nicotine? Or other stimulants that are not substituted amphetamines?
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