Well JB, full points to you for perservering with this thread. Very enlightening and provocative. I have to add my 2c as well. I hope that it keeps going.
Firstly, I have american friends from different parts of the US, so I know that not all americans are the stereotypes we like to use. OK here goes:
I notice that thru this whole thread there has been some reference to WW2, Vietnam, etc by both sides. And yes the US were of great assistance in the war against the Japanese. But at what cost? Its funny how still to this day, the US are the only major power in history to use a nuclear device in a built-up populated area? Not just one but two. Not even radical extremist groups around the world has gone that far. And I can hear the argument to that, was Pearl Harbour. Blah blah, it was wartime. Yet the US felt it was their God-given right to nuke an enemy country, talk about overkill. This seems to be yet another indication of the trend of the US, to go overboard, guns blazing. SHit their war-time strategies seem to go hand in hand with hollywood scripts. Maybe Rambo should be used instead of Uncle Sam. Anyway I digress.
The point being that the US are STILL the only power ever to do such a horrific act(ironical due to the fact that Japan, is probably paying the US back, by more peaceful means, buying you guys out!!)We have in the world such extreme groups, even a couple probably now, with their own nuclear weapons. With the result now that the US and Russia (for the want of a better term) have STILL got massive stockpiles of the shit. So each of you built up a stockpile because the other (ie Cold War)one was as well. Well do you not think its a bit stupid to have so many that you could destroy the world, or at least create such an atmosphere that everyone dies, at least 3 times over!!! Ok that's in the past now, and both countries are reducing their reserves. Only because poor Russia, is collapsing into a menergie of little banana republics.
Now this leads on to the huge delusion that the US are the self-styled fucking representatives of the Western World. Oh yes I will admit that the US do have it all. THe most impressive consumer culture to date, with the most of anything, good and bad. And yes we do think that Australia is getting too much american culture, just like everywhere else. Supply and demand, get stuffed! That's crap, you have been flexing your muscles to everyone since WW2 (again thanks for the help, but I don't think that it would have been that bad, without you. I mean you were only in it from 43-45, while your US president was sitting on his hands for the first 4 years, fully knowing that Jews were being slaughtered, that Hitler was getting greedy, etc, the US was only waiting for the war to start affecting them economically, before the US cavalry came) Since then you have acted as the global police, ie/ Korea, Vietnam, Cuba, Gulf war whatever. Shit when will the power trip stop?? I mean look at some of the major conflicts since ww2, and the outcome has usually been the same if not worse, before US INTERVENTION!!! PROTECTING THE RIGHTS OF DOWN-TRODDEN PEOPLE AROUND THE WORLD. And because the UN, are basically an arm of the US Foreign affairs department, you have nicely managed to convince other countries, to go down the same holier-than-thou trip. Now its the same with your culture. Yes there are some very very cool things about your culture, authors, writers, thinkers and inventors, and by all means celebrate them and brag about them. Congrats!!!! But shit the lengths the US companies go to!!! But oh yes the infamous "mulit-nationals" crap, yes I agree with that. Does that mean that the US has prostituted their culture of which they are so proud of!!!! More is better. The Coca-cola olypmics in Atlanta!!!
But down to the real issue. Guns!
Yes they are bad! They were designed to kill things!! Yes? Simple as that.
And I also think that the US 2nd amendment is an outdated law, and that it is hypocritical in the first place. Pilgram fathers were christian missionaries, who followed the commandments set down by God, including "Thou shalt not kill", so it seems that the US was doomed to fall from the outset. Its ironical that there is a huge band of people in the US, who consider themselves good christians, go to church, hate gay people, etc (no that's not everyone, but friends of mine, have confirmed this, there is a large population of this type of people in the US, don't you dare deny this), etc, who carry a gun, or own one. "Thou shall not kill"??? or is it "Thou shall not kill, unless you think thats what's needed" What a bunch of hypocritical shit! "Love thy neighbour" unless he trys to burgle your house, than you blow his head off!!
Now the argument being put forward, that US citizens need guns to defend themselves against their own government/police is even worse! Its like gnawing on your own tails!!!! Because police I think, are also US citizens, or are they now considered seperate from the rest of the population? ANd the goverment, well lookey here its the governement that has conspiracies coming out of its collective asshole. But hang on, I am assuming that there still is a democratic process in the US of A! They are a government voted in by you!!! So you have voted for people that you don't trust. Especially with the fact that voting is not even mandatory! Flawed democracy really, because the democracy surely by defination, is EVERYONE voting for a common body. But no, the precious american fucking freedom to what the fuck you want, intervenes!!! You can't force us to vote if we don't want to!!!! Oh my god. What a mess. You guys seem to accept that the US has a war-like mentality!!!
But back to guns: I don't believe that solving violence with violence is the answer. Look to the UK, where even the police aren't allowed to carry guns, only special forces or the military. And they have been bombarded by the IRA and the like for years!!!! But they still adhere to the strict gun restrictions idea, because they believe that its more civillised that way!!!
Oh yes, lets not forget the big bad crimminals that are running around the US, killing innocent hard-working people. And yeah the average Joe has been empowered to defend himself with a 9mm, yeah great. Look how its working, murders are still bad in the US and have been for a while. Don't get me wrong I know that there is sooooo many issue involved, but don't you think that restricting guns a lot more would help? Or are you all so eager to have the power to maim or kill another human being. Shit man, its human nature to make war, get angry, can't we accept this and make use of our brains a little more in order to move forward on the evolutionary scale???? Guns are not part of human evolution. And that goes for weapons in general. Where does it stop you say?? What about knives??? They are tools, which can be used for things other than killing. Guns were designed to KILL, expressly kill, for the purposes of war. Isn't that bad??
Don't spout shit about PLUR when you have a gun in your wardrobe. Even if it isn't loaded. You could make a mistake one day, keep it loaded, kid wanders in, and blows his own head off!!! Of course that has happened!! You talk about the idea that its people not the tools that do the killings, etc, much like drugs!! Than I don't think that you should take drugs. Yes they can kill, but not by its inherent design!!!! The idea that people are sitting in their homes, on the computer, spouting out PLUR on the internet, with a 303 in the shed, is mind-blowingly disgusting!!!!!
I await the response. PLease feel free to tear apart everything I have said!!! That would be cool, because I am open to the idea that I am not right!! Prove me wrong!
Lastly, please don't mistake this for anger as its more passion. As stated I like americans (they have flaws, so do aussies), have US friends, my favourite author is Jack Kerouac! And I honestly feel that so far this has been the most engrossing discussion!!!!
Keep it up!!!
Spazzy
Firstly, I have american friends from different parts of the US, so I know that not all americans are the stereotypes we like to use. OK here goes:
I notice that thru this whole thread there has been some reference to WW2, Vietnam, etc by both sides. And yes the US were of great assistance in the war against the Japanese. But at what cost? Its funny how still to this day, the US are the only major power in history to use a nuclear device in a built-up populated area? Not just one but two. Not even radical extremist groups around the world has gone that far. And I can hear the argument to that, was Pearl Harbour. Blah blah, it was wartime. Yet the US felt it was their God-given right to nuke an enemy country, talk about overkill. This seems to be yet another indication of the trend of the US, to go overboard, guns blazing. SHit their war-time strategies seem to go hand in hand with hollywood scripts. Maybe Rambo should be used instead of Uncle Sam. Anyway I digress.
The point being that the US are STILL the only power ever to do such a horrific act(ironical due to the fact that Japan, is probably paying the US back, by more peaceful means, buying you guys out!!)We have in the world such extreme groups, even a couple probably now, with their own nuclear weapons. With the result now that the US and Russia (for the want of a better term) have STILL got massive stockpiles of the shit. So each of you built up a stockpile because the other (ie Cold War)one was as well. Well do you not think its a bit stupid to have so many that you could destroy the world, or at least create such an atmosphere that everyone dies, at least 3 times over!!! Ok that's in the past now, and both countries are reducing their reserves. Only because poor Russia, is collapsing into a menergie of little banana republics.
Now this leads on to the huge delusion that the US are the self-styled fucking representatives of the Western World. Oh yes I will admit that the US do have it all. THe most impressive consumer culture to date, with the most of anything, good and bad. And yes we do think that Australia is getting too much american culture, just like everywhere else. Supply and demand, get stuffed! That's crap, you have been flexing your muscles to everyone since WW2 (again thanks for the help, but I don't think that it would have been that bad, without you. I mean you were only in it from 43-45, while your US president was sitting on his hands for the first 4 years, fully knowing that Jews were being slaughtered, that Hitler was getting greedy, etc, the US was only waiting for the war to start affecting them economically, before the US cavalry came) Since then you have acted as the global police, ie/ Korea, Vietnam, Cuba, Gulf war whatever. Shit when will the power trip stop?? I mean look at some of the major conflicts since ww2, and the outcome has usually been the same if not worse, before US INTERVENTION!!! PROTECTING THE RIGHTS OF DOWN-TRODDEN PEOPLE AROUND THE WORLD. And because the UN, are basically an arm of the US Foreign affairs department, you have nicely managed to convince other countries, to go down the same holier-than-thou trip. Now its the same with your culture. Yes there are some very very cool things about your culture, authors, writers, thinkers and inventors, and by all means celebrate them and brag about them. Congrats!!!! But shit the lengths the US companies go to!!! But oh yes the infamous "mulit-nationals" crap, yes I agree with that. Does that mean that the US has prostituted their culture of which they are so proud of!!!! More is better. The Coca-cola olypmics in Atlanta!!!
But down to the real issue. Guns!
Yes they are bad! They were designed to kill things!! Yes? Simple as that.
And I also think that the US 2nd amendment is an outdated law, and that it is hypocritical in the first place. Pilgram fathers were christian missionaries, who followed the commandments set down by God, including "Thou shalt not kill", so it seems that the US was doomed to fall from the outset. Its ironical that there is a huge band of people in the US, who consider themselves good christians, go to church, hate gay people, etc (no that's not everyone, but friends of mine, have confirmed this, there is a large population of this type of people in the US, don't you dare deny this), etc, who carry a gun, or own one. "Thou shall not kill"??? or is it "Thou shall not kill, unless you think thats what's needed" What a bunch of hypocritical shit! "Love thy neighbour" unless he trys to burgle your house, than you blow his head off!!
Now the argument being put forward, that US citizens need guns to defend themselves against their own government/police is even worse! Its like gnawing on your own tails!!!! Because police I think, are also US citizens, or are they now considered seperate from the rest of the population? ANd the goverment, well lookey here its the governement that has conspiracies coming out of its collective asshole. But hang on, I am assuming that there still is a democratic process in the US of A! They are a government voted in by you!!! So you have voted for people that you don't trust. Especially with the fact that voting is not even mandatory! Flawed democracy really, because the democracy surely by defination, is EVERYONE voting for a common body. But no, the precious american fucking freedom to what the fuck you want, intervenes!!! You can't force us to vote if we don't want to!!!! Oh my god. What a mess. You guys seem to accept that the US has a war-like mentality!!!
But back to guns: I don't believe that solving violence with violence is the answer. Look to the UK, where even the police aren't allowed to carry guns, only special forces or the military. And they have been bombarded by the IRA and the like for years!!!! But they still adhere to the strict gun restrictions idea, because they believe that its more civillised that way!!!
Oh yes, lets not forget the big bad crimminals that are running around the US, killing innocent hard-working people. And yeah the average Joe has been empowered to defend himself with a 9mm, yeah great. Look how its working, murders are still bad in the US and have been for a while. Don't get me wrong I know that there is sooooo many issue involved, but don't you think that restricting guns a lot more would help? Or are you all so eager to have the power to maim or kill another human being. Shit man, its human nature to make war, get angry, can't we accept this and make use of our brains a little more in order to move forward on the evolutionary scale???? Guns are not part of human evolution. And that goes for weapons in general. Where does it stop you say?? What about knives??? They are tools, which can be used for things other than killing. Guns were designed to KILL, expressly kill, for the purposes of war. Isn't that bad??
Don't spout shit about PLUR when you have a gun in your wardrobe. Even if it isn't loaded. You could make a mistake one day, keep it loaded, kid wanders in, and blows his own head off!!! Of course that has happened!! You talk about the idea that its people not the tools that do the killings, etc, much like drugs!! Than I don't think that you should take drugs. Yes they can kill, but not by its inherent design!!!! The idea that people are sitting in their homes, on the computer, spouting out PLUR on the internet, with a 303 in the shed, is mind-blowingly disgusting!!!!!
I await the response. PLease feel free to tear apart everything I have said!!! That would be cool, because I am open to the idea that I am not right!! Prove me wrong!
Lastly, please don't mistake this for anger as its more passion. As stated I like americans (they have flaws, so do aussies), have US friends, my favourite author is Jack Kerouac! And I honestly feel that so far this has been the most engrossing discussion!!!!
Keep it up!!!
Spazzy
