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Amanita Muscaria at a rave

DwayneHoover said:
^ It's a real useless idea to do these at any kind of event where you want to remain conscious. The way they work, after an initial period of a sort of "intoxication," is to make you less and less conscious until they trigger these cyclic episodes in which you sort of "pass out", during which you have these ultra-intense hallucinatory epic mythic dream-states. Or maybe your mind disconnects from the brain and visits higher level dimensions I dunno. Then you wake up, remember what you were just "dreaming", ... go "O... M.... F.... G!!!!" in TOTAL disbelief that what you just experienced was even possible to experience with the human mind.

THEN you get drowsy and fall back "under" again for another round, till the Muscimol is all eliminated from your bloodstream after a few hours.

Does that sound like something to be doing at a rave?
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What a perfect description, seriously. It makes me want to do them again just because it's been long enough that I can barely remember the epic mythic dream states beyond the fact that they didn't seem possible. :( Maybe one day, but I'm not in a hurry.. and it will be on a couch or in a tent.. definitely not at a rave lol.
 
Hey DwayneHoover -- thanks a lot for the information. I'm really interested in experimenting with these mushrooms. Something about them beckons me.

Do you recommend buying pre-dried amanitas? Seems it'd save some trouble.
 
Even pre-dried, you still want to put them in an oven on lowest setting with the door cracked just a smidge. The pre-drying is just at room temp I am sure, like in a fruit dryer. The oven drying raises the temp enough to drive off 100% of the moisture, which may not be totally gone as the arrive pre-dried. The simmering step is also in the instructions I followed, in addition to the oven-drying. Mine came pre-dried too. I dont know why the drying with oven heat then boiling should both be needed, but thats what multiple recipes suggested from people who REALLY seemed to know what they were talking about. This exact sequence produces a result that gives success. Why mess with success. It's really not that much trouble.

Plus, you are working with them for longer before consuming them and it gives them more time to get to know you and bond with your holographic frequency matrix so they can do their job better ;)
 
Absolutely awful idea. I had a bad experience with amanitas, and that was just me alone in my room. And it involved lots of vomiting, which is not exactly something you want to have happen in the middle of a rave....and it's not like I took a huge dose either. Seriously, my body was so conditioned against the stuff that when I tried to finish off the rest of my amanitas at some later point in time, I threw up at the taste of them. Please spare yourself the misery.
 
sarcophagus.heels said:
Absolutely awful idea. I had a bad experience with amanitas, and that was just me alone in my room. And it involved lots of vomiting, which is not exactly something you want to have happen in the middle of a rave....and it's not like I took a huge dose either. Seriously, my body was so conditioned against the stuff that when I tried to finish off the rest of my amanitas at some later point in time, I threw up at the taste of them. Please spare yourself the misery.
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Did you just eat them as is? That would explain the vomiting.

Or did you follow the recommended preparation steps to carefully convert the toxic deleriant Ibotenic Acid into the psychedelic dissociative Muscimol? I did them properly prepared and did not feel the slightest bit ill. And had the most amazingly epic trippy dream visions. It was like being whisked away ona magic carpet by the Gods.

But regardless, absolutely Amanitas in public in any way for any reason is asinine.
 
DwayneHoover said:
Did you just eat them as is? That would explain the vomiting.

Or did you follow the recommended preparation steps to carefully convert the toxic deleriant Ibotenic Acid into the psychedelic dissociative Muscimol? I did them properly prepared and did not feel the slightest bit ill. And had the most amazingly epic trippy dream visions. It was like being whisked away ona magic carpet by the Gods.

But regardless, absolutely Amanitas in public in any way for any reason is asinine.
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I got them pre-dried....part of the trip was actually quite pleasant, albeit a little punctuated with paranoia, but for whatever reason, it took a turn for the worse at some point. I dunno, either they weren't dried properly, or my body just did not agree with them very well.
 
The low-temp air-drying which is how you get them from suppliers is ***NOT*** sufficient to convert do the needed chemical conversions!!!

They MUST also at least ben further heat dried in a low-temp oven to a total crush-to-dust state of utter desication... its both the heating and the evaporation that does the conversion.

ALSO: most successful properly visionary & psychedelic account of their usage I've seen has also involved simmering on low heat for 45mins to be certain any remaining Ibotenic acid encased within the plant fiber matrix that was not completely transformed by the oven-drying is fully converted to Muscimol

You really gotta do your research with these and seek out proper and COMPLETE instructions.

http://forums.mycotopia.net/feasts-...383-amanita-muscaria-recipe-james-arthur.html

http://www.erowid.org/experiences/subs/exp_Amanitas_Preparation_I_Recipes.shtml
 
I ordered some Amanita a while back from BBB and pretty much just puked a lot and that was it. I tried just eating the red skin, eating the whole thing..I just couldn't keep the shit down.

How are they supposed to be ingested? I'd love to try them without the berking :P
 
^ James Arthur's recipe, first link above. I followed it exactly and had an AWESOME trip with NO sickness whatsoever... though I did follow advice to to a couple tokes of weed after ingesting the boil and they say that particularly with amanitas pot strongly blocks any nausea...

BUT LISTEN PEOPLE YOU GOTTA FOLLOW THE RECIPE AND BOTH OVEN DRY THEM COMPLETELY AND UTTERLY ***AND*** DO THE SIMMERING STEP!!!
 
OK

this dude DwayneHoover seems like he knows his stuff. And I claim to , too. This thread has some decent info

If you wanna make an Amanita MEGA thread,

I would be happy to contribute all of my quite extensive experience DwayneHoover too, I am sure, especially since most of you seem not to know shit about this drug and added to your ignorance you're impolite too. I guess it's the load of drugs over time or plain druggieness.

OP asked if anyone has tried this in rave / socialy etc. he didn't ask for smartass comments. In case you didn't notice he said he enjoys this, he just wanted to know if other people on earth are like him.

Yeah dude, we're rare but we exist, that makes us special. Most people would like chemicals to dance in a psytekno party. Have me preload with 5-7 grams caps, let some time pass, then throw me in a dungeon of acid heads, will do any BPM, 160s too [a gabba/hardcore head anywayz], and I will only drink the occasional beer from here on. I will eventually drink a couple of them, plus a joint will be welcome, but I will outlast the most people who are not on some heavy stim and generally not redosing constantly. At the morning, where most will have the brains a bit mulched, I will be clearheaded, happy talkative and social.

The downside? You definately have a hangover from the combo of amanita and alcohol, not worse than a average alcohol hangove , albeit different. Also the next days afterglow people experience with amanita alone vanishes in combo with alcohol or too much pot. Amanita+pot = no hangover though

Amanitas are not for druggies, they're probably more suitable for drinkers, as that's what they resemble most in lowmid ~ midhigh doses

I know most of the people are snobbish against them, but BL is a great resource, so should there be a decent thread on amanitas here for the few people who will appreciate?

I have 6+ years of experiment with those. I have enjoyed amanitas many times socially. Party. Friendly gathering. Underground diy punk gig. Carnival. Tekno dance.

Note we are talking the lowmid, mid and midhigh dosage range.

Catfishrivers is right too, we've talked about this. Knowing your batch is everything.



A mid dose of amanitas main part will definately not last more than say 4-5 hours and that's a lot I'm saying. But it seems the fucker stays with you for a while . Even after hours after drinking the tea [yes tea, tea of dried material as DwayneHoover says], you can still feel influence, if you keep moving and active and actually doing something, particularly if you keep the drinks coming.

Now note, amanitas and alcohol are nothing to 'suggest'. They are both liver toxic and one should be pretty familiar with each before combining. Doing so and not doing it right might have you collapse / sleep [not amanita sleep, combo tranquilizing effect].

but apparently this might not scare you off guys.

Also, yeah big doses are for home + sitter. Big doses would be a stupid idea outside, in a rave, socially, yeah sure, BUT IN A BIG DOSE. If you are having a big dose outside and it's turning problematic, it's probably too late to fix the situation. So maybe film it and upload on youtube. It should be fun.

j/k, seriously, people who OD'ed or panicked on amanitas should not take any more tranquilizers. If things get wild, tie the dude. Stories about people on amanitas being super strong are probably a myth, well at least at this stage. Strength is part of the first part stimulation which doesn't last much as solid stimulation

doses below are of my own batch, which is concistent [greek mountains] and it involves caps and stems material. Caps only material should probably estimate half of doses given below this for same effect.

Again note each batch is different and you need to homogenise and work out on your own.

1 gram of dried amanita powder, cooked in food, will make any food taste better
3 gram~5 gram is tonic to mildly distinct to lowdose
6~12 is lowmid ~ midhigh dose
13 ~ 20 and you're entering breakthough range

everyone is different

I wonder how you people think using chems that are potent at 3mg is quite typical and easy for a rave or newbie or anything but amanitas are 'not real drugs'.
 
DwayneHoover said:
Eating straight Amanita is idiotic, but at small doses perhaps it could give you a woozy feeling good for a rave.

But the PROPER way to use them is not as in the above as a mere inebriant, but to go thru the easy series of preparation steps to convert the inebriating nauseating chems into the proper truly mind blowingly amazing Entheogen/Psychedelic compounds.

But in this form it is most ABSOLUTELY NOT for use in public... well unless you like having waves of multiple episodes of suddenly falling down unconscious briefly and entering timeless transdimensional dream states IN PUBLIC.

There are instructions... you dont REALLY need to go all the way to "drinking the waters" level, but it really and genuinely DOES deepen and extend the trip(s):


THE RECIPE: http://www.thebirdman.org/Index/Oth...-ReligiousDrugs/AmanitaMuscariaRecipePage.htm
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This sounds amazing. I'll be doing this for sure in the near future. Are there trip reports from the same method of preperation as in the article?
 
I personally had the precious experience of ingesting several caps of Amanita and attending a metal concert (more specifically Portal, Gorguts, Krallice and Bloody Panda) and smoking a few bowls.

I believe it was 2 hours after ingestion and during Portal that I peaked. I thought I was stuck in a multi-eyed Lovecraftian vortex and I would thrash around in sync with the music.. though every now and then I would just "freeze". Thankfully nobody paid attention to me because it'd be apparent I was tripping when I go from "AGFUHDGEASUFGAUW4IG" to "..........", basically catatonic for minutes at a time. I did get some strobe-light effects and there was a DEFINITE increase in music appreciation.

Perfect night. Though going Agarical Berserker mode would prooooobably be more suited for a metal concert than a rave...
 
^ GREAT story, thanks! Still, I would discourage anyone from doing them out in public ever, and again advise that just "eating caps", as pretty and delectably inviting as they appear, is a BAD BAD idea... since by necessity that entails skipping the VITAL step of simmering in water to complete the conversion of the deleriant, nauseating compounds into the psychedelic compounds. HUGE difference in effects, seriously... MUCH more desirable... see above post(s) for links to full proper preparation & usage instructions.
 
So far you've been highly informative and helpful with this. Next time I plan on working with amanitas I will definitely follow your advice. GG!
 
I don't think eating properly dried [that is ---> dried quickly in dehydrator or oven, then expose to sun for a couple of days] is so much different than tea, it's just tea hits you faster. But this might also be related with strain, as many amarica muscarias strains seems sweating and salivating inducing, something I never felt with my material.

Reports are best from japanese & european material

Some of the instructions on the birdman.org are a bit farfetched IMO, in that they are too ritualistic and too believer/religious for my liking. Another minus IMO is the christian overtone.

but in general it has good advice

BUT
I really think it's irresponsible to suggest to people to eat 30 grams of dried [caps and stems] on their first attempt!!!

even if they follow the instructions very carefully, which they won't I guarantee, they probably not expect what they will get. And anyways 30 might take most people too far. Especially for a first time

For what it's worth, with my material I break through with as low as 18-20 grams of caps and stems


{ d } gorguts, yeah man, that's what I'm talking about. I would love to be peaking on a mid dose of amanitas and blow a joint on gorguts gig !! grindcore fucking rulez . never did amanitas with grind, fucking great idea.

sub breakthrough doses, especially with a like minded friend would be best for a rave or a grindcore gig or anything.
 
@mutnat: Fuck yes! I tell you when they played Obscura it fucking felt like my mind was stuck in a box along with 4 chainsaws, chainsaws of musical perfection.

By the way the Amanitas I had were Latvian strains, A+.
 
mutnat said:
I really think it's irresponsible to suggest to people to eat 30 grams of dried [caps and stems] on their first attempt!!!

even if they follow the instructions very carefully, which they won't I guarantee, they probably not expect what they will get. And anyways 30 might take most people too far. Especially for a first time

For what it's worth, with my material I break through with as low as 18-20 grams of caps and stems
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Again, this isn't EATING this much straight, its drinking the boil from that much.

But yea your guidelines are probably a good starting place.

I DID follow those instructions exactly... 30g.... then later drank SOME of my own "water" to keep it going higher and it DID deepen the experience. So there IS something to that, I believe maybe.

And ended up having some of the experiences discussed at the post with 3 BL post links above in this thread. Yea, that was pretty far out, but not anything to freak over, since they basically felt just like super-intense dreams, and there was zero uncomfortable body effects, and the lead-in state was just this very nice super-relaxing intoxicated buzz feeling, it was all good, despite the "Whoa" inducing intensity of the Dream-Time visions.
 
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