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Amanita Muscaria 10x resin extract(1 gram) help

fullofmilldo

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hi, i just bout some Amanita Muscaria, but it isnt in mushroom form so i dont know what a safe amount to take is, and its my first time with them, it says the 10x resin extract is made from only caps and there is a gram of it. anyone know? im guessing its ~10 grams of caps but im not for sure.
 
if it is a 10x extract then, since it was made with only camps, then 1 gram of extract should equal 10 grams of mushroom caps. I would start with .75 or 1 gram as a dose it seems as though 5 grams of regular amanita muscaria is a light trip, 10 grams is medium, and 15 grams is a heavy trip. let me know how you feel I was looking at ordering a gram of that as well.
 
I always found better effects by smoking amanitas than ingesting them. The dissociation was more pronounced. Quite pleasant, in fact. Never tried resin extracts though. It may be worth trying.
 
I dunno man. "Amanita Extract" could well be high in Ibotenic acid, which would make you very ill. I doubt that the extraction process used supplied the necessary heat to convert the horrible Ibotenic acid into the desired Muscimol, as one does when heat-drying then simmering the real shrooms.
 
I say try smoking it; I received 3 grams of 10x extract from a place as a freebie when I purchased something else and I ate the 3 grams and felt nothing. I started smoking a lot of weed about 30 minutes after I ate it and really never got anything more than a pronounced weed high if anything.

It could be that I ingested them wrong, who knows. I chopped the big chunks into smaller chunks with a razor blade then put them in my mouth and mushed them against the top of my mouth with my tongue until they dissolved with my saliva then swallowed it. It smelled and tasted a lot like soy sauce.

After this and reading other reports about smoking amanita muscaria I was pissed that I ate the stuff instead of trying to smoke it. Especially since you only have 1 gram of the stuff I definitely say smoke the stuff instead of eating it.
 
i tried smoking it and after 7 minutes of smoking it from my bowl it was only half gone and i couldn't feel any of the effects, i wouldn't recommend smoking the resin extract, but i might be getting hooked up with an eighth of real shrooms
 
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@fullofmilldo

i have to stress that amanita mushrooms are not the typical 'shrooms' you would get from a drug dealer. they are a very different drug with nothing in common except that they are fungus.
also, prices are not allowed in the PD forum, so please edit out the price before a mod has to for you.
 
just got 3 grams of 10x in the mail. stuff looks like black tar dope, very shiny and sticks to the bag. just ate about 2 grams and in the process of smoking the third...nothing yet but I'll post again with the results
 
I got stuff like that once and stupidly ate the entire gram strolling through town. I guess I was fortunate that I got no effect at all... 8(

I remember the advised dose was only half a gram, but I am not entirely sure if the extract strength was 10x like yours. So don't act on anything I said.
 
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I don't hear much impressive talk about AM extracts, seems most are disappointed.
I suggest you get some high potency actual mushroom material. Generally Washington state is the most desirable local of origin from my understanding.
 
good news—no nausea. bad news—no anything. overall a waste of money. think I'll go with thoughtsUnThought next time, dont know why I didn't just get the actual plant material to begin with.
btw, I've read posts about people smoking the extract...seems like it would destroy the alkaloid now that I think about it.
 
an extract was made from simmering down fresh cap tea down into the blackish tar but it seemed to hold only minimal effects felt as apposed to the tea itself. when just eating dried caps it is much more pronounced yet stomach issues and a lot of ibotanic acid negatives are present.

tea made from dried caps is the best way to go. start with 5 grams when first exploring a batch as these vary greatly in potency and ibotanic acid/muscimol. bringing water to a boil, taming it down a bit to a rolling simmer, shred caps in a coffee grinder, put in for 15 to 30 minutes, put in chia tea and a bit of dried ginger at the last 4 minutes, strain(or not) consume over about 15 to 30 minutes. the mushroom will let you know when to consume more or less.

extracts are just not worth it especially since the pricing for dried caps is reasonable. again if you are wanting to consume this teacher make sure to test the batch and strongly recommend making a tea.
 
I know this is not your question, but I wonder if you know Amanita is not a psychedelic. It's a deliriant http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deliriant The reason the government never bothered to make Amanita illegal is most people would not find the experience enjoyable. Also, under a high enough dose you may not be able to distinguish between reality and hallucination. So please have a sitter in case you decide to remove your clothes and go outside or something.
 
I'm sorry, Biff, but your actually wrong.

Muscimol is a GABA-a Agonist. while ibotenic acid is an agonist of NMDA glutamate receptors and certain metabotropic glutamate receptors.

So it's wrong to classify it with deleriants like datura or diphenhydramine.
 
Fagott said:
I'm sorry, Biff, but your actually wrong.

Muscimol is a GABA-a Agonist. while ibotenic acid is an agonist of NMDA glutamate receptors and certain metabotropic glutamate receptors.

So it's wrong to classify it with deleriants like datura or diphenhydramine.
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Ok, you are right, according to Wikipidia Amanita Muscaria is not a deliriant. But I stand by everything else I said. From the Amanita Muscaria article at Wikipedia:

Symptoms

Fly agarics are known for the unpredictability of their effects. Depending on habitat and the amount ingested per body weight, effects can range from nausea and twitching to drowsiness, cholinergic crisis-like effects (low blood pressure, sweating and salivation), auditory and visual distortions, mood changes, euphoria, relaxation, ataxia, and loss of equilibrium.[46][47][52][55]

In cases of serious poisoning it causes a delirium, somewhat similar in effect to anticholinergic poisoning (such as that caused by Datura stramonium), characterized by bouts of marked agitation with confusion, hallucinations, and irritability followed by periods of central nervous system depression. Seizures and coma may also occur in severe poisonings.[47][52] Symptoms typically appear after around 30 to 90 minutes and peak within three hours, but certain effects can last for a number of days.[49][51] In the majority of cases recovery is complete within 12 to 24 hours.[61] The effect is highly variable between individuals with similar doses potentially causing quite different reactions.[46][51][75] Some cases of intoxication have exhibited headaches up to ten hours afterwards.[51] Retrograde amnesia and somnolence can result following recovery.[52]
 
DwayneHoover said:
I dunno man. "Amanita Extract" could well be high in Ibotenic acid, which would make you very ill. I doubt that the extraction process used supplied the necessary heat to convert the horrible Ibotenic acid into the desired Muscimol, as one does when heat-drying then simmering the real shrooms.
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imho, if someone goes out to create an extract at all, my spontaneous guess would be he did go through the conversion process as well, since it really doesnt require much work aside from heating the mixture... i mean, we obviously have an ethnobotanical enthusiast here. just to be safe though, i guess he could just heat the extract for a day or two as it is now?

and from all i know fly agarics can most definitely induce delirium, deliriant just really isnt a very popular classification.

I'm not an expert on the subject, but from what I know, most "deliriants" if you want to call them that show said effect because of their binding to muscarinic acetylcholine receptors. "muscarinic"... that surely rings a bell. i mean the fuckers are named after fly agarics lol. im pretty sure they do have said effect, eventhough it (ofc) doesnt necessarily show after ever ingestion at every given dose while other effects could still be present. i once ate 5 handpicked big-ass fly agarics and smoked one on top of that and didnt feel shit! long story shot: while i agree theyre not the evil motherfuckers our parents made them out to be, im pretty damn sure they can induce a delirium.


edit: but imho, the reason they arent illegal is because thatd make em crazy attractive to drug-seekers and even politicians know theres no way in fucking hell they can eliminate such a species from the face of earth lol.

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BDD to PD
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this could most definitely be argued about. ;D
 
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Absolutely Biff, your advice of being careful with amanita's is totaly sound :)

crOOk said:
I'm not an expert on the subject, but from what I know, most "deliriants" if you want to call them that show said effect because of their binding to muscarinic acetylcholine receptors. "muscarinic"... that surely rings a bell. i mean the fuckers are named after fly agarics lol. im pretty sure they do have said effect, eventhough it (ofc) doesnt necessarily show after ever ingestion at every given dose while other effects could still be present.
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Apparently Muscarine is an anticholinergic, but it's only in them in very small amounts.
 
this poster has had many experiences with amanita muscaria and can say that it is NOT a psychedelic in the traditional sense. Muscarine was thought originally to be the main constituent that caused it's effects however it has since been found that it is in to small amounts and ibotanic acid and muscimol are now thought to be the main producers of effects. ibotanic acid is broken down into muscimol by the body and some will save the urine in which to ingest again as it is mostly muscimol at that point, not really my cup of tea if you will. there is a lot of folk lore surrounding this teacher.

It's most pronounced effects are a drunken feeling and comes in phases where you are energetic at times and then later very sleepy in which lucid dreaming occurs easily. if you are looking for more energetic mood lifting experiences do not take more than 7 to 8 grams. After that you are treading into more deliriant type experiences. The best way to describe it at low doses is a more psychedelic alcohol intoxication that produces some vivid dreams. At high doses you are not really able to walk, mostly in your head, and can black out over and over having very real dreams that can be confused with reality due to the sleep/wake sleep/wake cycle. This poster does not recommend taking this journey unless you have had many low dose experiences, nothing can really prepare you - it is not like lsd, psylicibin, ect. it acts on GABA and probably why it makes you feel intoxicated on alcohol to a great extent.

Like it's been said these are fickle little buggers and it has a reverse tolerance effect so be very careful if you take these, wait a day or two in between.

Downing potent extracts with no experience with the substance is not really the best idea... just my $.02
 
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