Cocaine Am I the only dingdong?

[Zonxx]

Just curious.. I am very tolerant at this point so as you read if you're an occasional user I highly advise against this.
As of late I've been snorting coke and smoking it at the same time, I don't snort too much say .2 so a point in each nostril per 45min I generally smoke as I feel I want to but I make sure I don't over do it luckily I don't fiend often I know that this isn't really a wise thing to do but I find it lessens the craving to smoke significantly when I'm in a lot of pain and have taken my alotted daily doses of opiates, ( I use coke to manage my pain, I seem to need to elaborate on this a lot, it takes the mind away and does aid with pain relief in the manner that when you're high you don't really think/feel the pain hell I've fractured my toe and walked on it all day while doing coke but oh man did it hurt the next day but it was a Minor fracture I assume because I was good and walking properly 4-6 days later ) so that explains that felt like abit of a ramble but not so much. So back to my original question, have any other bluelighters done this and what are your thoughts about the practice of snorting n smoking at the same time, I find it unwise even for myself so I don't do it often but I do do this anyone else?

 

[KS78]

I don't see how it could be more harmful than not mixing the route of administration but consuming the same amount. I think railing is safer than smoking and smoking is (possibly) safer than injecting. So if you smoked the coke that you railed, it would probably be less wise.
I remember you writing that you have a good amount of coke around most of the time. This comfort might be the reason you rail once in a while. Otherwise, you probably wouldn't be using coke in a less effective way. Stay safe.

 

[Zonxx]

I don't see how it could be more harmful than not mixing the route of administration but consuming the same amount. I think railing is safer than smoking and smoking is (possibly) safer than injecting. So if you smoked the coke that you railed, it would probably be less wise.
I remember you writing that you have a good amount of coke around most of the time. This comfort might be the reason you rail once in a while. Otherwise, you probably wouldn't be using coke in a less effective way. Stay safe.

yeah i don't worry too much about running out, but when i unexpectedly do and im using/binging, thats a toughy but my post is about railing AND smoking at the same time i dunno if smoking is safer than injecting because it wears off faster than iving thus leading you to that huge rush and taking a hit ever 10-20 min or longer if i take large hits but the larger amount of rushes is probably worse than IVing because i at time can smoke a good bowl every 10 min if i feel like it, whereas iv tends to last a good 30-40min so you tend to get less rushes especially if youre binging

 

[KS78]

Well, it's an extra amount and strain on your cardiovascular system.

 

[ageingpartyfiend]

It's an incredibly unsafe practice, basically asking for an overdose if you continue with it mate as it's much more difficult to regulate your dosage when you are mixing ROA's.

I had an irl friend almost die performing the exact same practice. He was mixing snorting and smokin....the snorted lines had not been fully absorbed which lead to hiom misreading how high he was/would become....and then one more pipe had him seizing which led to a bang on the head when he went down that was so severe he experienced bleeding on the brain., The bloke was a longtime experienced user too, and I'm happy to report he never touched the drug again.

Using coke as a painkiller is also a massive red flag too I think. Yeah it will take your mind off the pain in the extreme short term but will ultimately provide a playground for your pain which will make it 10 times worse.

 

[Nicomorphinist]

There are several local anaesthetics which are given orally for chronic pain, and cocaine is the prototype of this family of drugs, so using the C-Jam in pain management is based on sound science. Do you ever administer the medications as a speedball?

 

[Nicomorphinist]

Well, it's an extra amount and strain on your cardiovascular system.

There is certainly that too -- part of it comes from being a sodium channel blocker if I am not mistaken, but route of administration can also make a bit of a difference -- have the OP or others ever considered stirring the Bolivian Marching Powder into Coca-Cola to restore the pre-1902 recipe and drinking it?

 

[ageingpartyfiend]

There are several local anaesthetics which are given orally for chronic pain, and cocaine is the prototype of this family of drugs, so using the C-Jam in pain management is based on sound science. Do you ever administer the medications as a speedball?

That's as maybe, but using cocaine for pain reflief is a disaster-in-waiting regarding addiction...

 

[Zonxx]

There are several local anaesthetics which are given orally for chronic pain, and cocaine is the prototype of this family of drugs, so using the C-Jam in pain management is based on sound science. Do you ever administer the medications as a speedball?

Occasoionally however not to specifically speedball, I take my doses on a timely basis to stay on top of pain I don't usually need to take opiates with my coke tho, once in awhile because usually coke'll get me more up and about so I feel it relatively bad especially when the coke starts to wear off between hits, as a matter a fact I don't enjoy apeedballing not because of effects but to me due to using it FOR the pain, I find I'm wasting medications if I'm already using coke there's also the added risk ESPECIALLY with my morphine that it lowers my heart rate allowing me to use more which I'm extremely weary of, but on a related note to that, I did OD on coke once upon a time and since I'd taken my morphine 20-30min before it happened, when it kicked in around the 40-45minute mark, it brought my bpm from a raging amount to a controllable level

 

[Zonxx]

There is certainly that too -- part of it comes from being a sodium channel blocker if I am not mistaken, but route of administration can also make a bit of a difference -- have the OP or others ever considered stirring the Bolivian Marching Powder into Coca-Cola to restore the pre-1902 recipe and drinking it?

Oh my lol, why did you just give me something new to try

 

[Nicomorphinist]

Occasoionally however not to specifically speedball, I take my doses on a timely basis to stay on top of pain I don't usually need to take opiates with my coke tho, once in awhile because usually coke'll get me more up and about so I feel it relatively bad especially when the coke starts to wear off between hits, as a matter a fact I don't enjoy apeedballing not because of effects but to me due to using it FOR the pain, I find I'm wasting medications if I'm already using coke there's also the added risk ESPECIALLY with my morphine that it lowers my heart rate allowing me to use more which I'm extremely weary of, but on a related note to that, I did OD on coke once upon a time and since I'd taken my morphine 20-30min before it happened, when it kicked in around the 40-45minute mark, it brought my bpm from a raging amount to a controllable level

The dopaminergic nature of C-Jam as a stimulant meant that prior to things like the Suchtgiftverordnung, Misuse of Drugs Act, Opiumgesetz, Harrison Narcotic Act 1914 and so forth, and for a while after that cocaine was prescribed by physicians all the time as both a morphine and heroin potentiator and as a means of countering somnolence from rapidly-increasing doses of the narcotics. I see methylphenidate used for that purpose these days . . . in fact I think the precipitating incident which lead to the Linder v United States (268 US 5 (1925)) case which the cops and regulators just plain ignore to this day, was when Dr Charles O Linder of Moore, Oklahoma, the EF-5 tornado magnet, gave a patient of his whom he has been treating for years something like four tablets of morphine and two of cocaine or something then the cops busted in on him, but on top of that, he had been maintaining addicts to buy time so he could help them better, much the same way as Canadian and European doctors generally can now . . .

 

[Zonxx]

That's as maybe, but using cocaine for pain reflief is a disaster-in-waiting regarding addiction...

I lold I've been a drug addict since I was 17 I don't believe I'm an 'addict' I have an extremely liberal view toward drugs in general, their there to aid / enhance life, sure in moderation I suppose but who are we to judge what someone else's moderation and limits are I've yet to ever really crave a substance other than opiates because I'm heavily physically dependent on them.

 

[Zonxx]

So long story short - it can add increased cardio risks as well as od from slow absorption while simutanious smoking but aside from that it's essentially fine if not done stupidly?

 

[Zonxx]

The dopaminergic nature of C-Jam as a stimulant meant that prior to things like the Suchtgiftverordnung, Misuse of Drugs Act, Opiumgesetz, Harrison Narcotic Act 1914 and so forth, and for a while after that cocaine was prescribed by physicians all the time as both a morphine and heroin potentiator and as a means of countering somnolence from rapidly-increasing doses of the narcotics. I see methylphenidate used for that purpose these days . . . in fact I think the precipitating incident which lead to the Linder v United States (268 US 5 (1925)) case which the cops and regulators just plain ignore to this day, was when Dr Charles O Linder of Moore, Oklahoma, the EF-5 tornado magnet, gave a patient of his whom he has been treating for years something like four tablets of morphine and two of cocaine or something then the cops busted in on him, but on top of that, he had been maintaining addicts to buy time so he could help them better, much the same way as Canadian and European doctors generally can now . . .

Being a canadian, let me tell you that due to the opioid epidemic doctors are fatally afraid to assist patients whether non illicit drug users or high dose opiate users, infact i was told no doctor will do what my doc has for me and since close relationship he told me, he doesnt give a shit if the college of physians gives him a boo about it ( theyre like the supreme court but for doctors and can prosecute/revoke licenses etc) but i can only assume having practiced for 35 years and prior having been a private addiction/recovery specialist he knew his right and wrongs but i know for a fact that i'll never get a doctor like him again, ive gone to some offices trying to get a new backup doctor but because not of my medications but the doses im on they wouldnt take me..

 

[Nicomorphinist]

Being a canadian, let me tell you that due to the opioid epidemic doctors are fatally afraid to assist patients whether non illicit drug users or high dose opiate users, infact i was told no doctor will do what my doc has for me and since close relationship he told me, he doesnt give a shit if the college of physians gives him a boo about it ( theyre like the supreme court but for doctors and can prosecute/revoke licenses etc) but i can only assume having practiced for 35 years and prior having been a private addiction/recovery specialist he knew his right and wrongs but i know for a fact that i'll never get a doctor like him again, ive gone to some offices trying to get a new backup doctor but because not of my medications but the doses im on they wouldnt take me..

The article in Drugs In The Media concerning the doctor who prescribes Dilaudid for addicts with refractory cravings illustrates pretty clearly the differences -- I guess the US Controlled Substances Act 1970 just subsumed the vicious statute and case law associated with the Harrison Narcotic Act 1914 that helping addicts is not in the normal course of medical duties. I imagine that whacked-out places like certain countries in the Near East may have similar things in force (and then if they catch an addict, the next Friday they lop off his or her head in the town square) but that vicious bit of jurisprudence still floors doctors, lawyers, politicians, and others from around the world. There now is a trickle of people leaving the United States for Canada because of all of this foolishness, and the ones I talk to have no intent to return to the States.

I actually do not hear a lot, anything actually, on an "opioid crisis" (aside from the fact that poor and mid-income countries get nowhere near enough opium and the like for medical uses) from the International Narcotics Control Board, so I am sure it is all a racket to make rehab clinic owners rich. Doesn't associating the profit motive with something like that upset anybody? The World Health Organisation declared in the autumn of 1995 that all people have the right to freedom from pain -- that quote in German was even the 24-point headline on the package insert of the Codidol I used to take for chronic pain, and I think the Vilan package insert and those for lots of Mundipharma narcotics have that quote too. If I am not mistaken, the INCB balked at what the FDA and DEA did to Johnson and Johnson when they put tapentadol in Schedule II of the US CSA 1970 and the INCB refused to treat it as a hard narcotic like morphine, politically at least.

Unfortunately, it does leak out into the rest of the Anglophone world; I have heard some hair-curling stories about that from Australia of all places. The US people in charge know what they are doing, and it is straight up imperialism -- I was hoping that now that President Trump has proved that he really is an isolationist that he would turn down the volume on that kind of shit . . . Hillary Rodham Clinton is a pretty sharp observer of this kind of thing and human nature and I am not sure if she 100 per cent believed in the "opioid cri$i$" herself . . . what she had to do when her boss Barack Obama took the wrong turn and swallowed the "Arab Spring" thing hook, line, and sinker and turned two sort of debatable wars into seven stone cold imperialist police actions notwithstanding, I was hoping that either outcome in 2016 would have marked the high water mark of all this bullshit and things would improve. Yemen in particular -- BHO wins a Nobel Peace Prize, then sides with Saudi Arabia, a nuclear-proliferation enabler on top of everything else horrible they do, in their genocidal war against the 5-Imam Shi'ites and in theory he could have wound up in the dock like Hermann Göring . . .

Cutting off a chronic pain patient is a sure way to make what is probably a solid citizen into a street addict overnight, and the medical establishment even has researched pseudo-addiction, where undertreated pain makes patients desperate and willing to "doctor shop" (I think that is a basic consumer right than all people have -- as long as they are not collecting prescriptions from 10 doctors and filling them all) and even contact the underworld and resort to clandestine drug synthesis to get their pain taken care of.

 

[Zonxx]

The article in Drugs In The Media concerning the doctor who prescribes Dilaudid for addicts with refractory cravings illustrates pretty clearly the differences -- I guess the US Controlled Substances Act 1970 just subsumed the vicious statute and case law associated with the Harrison Narcotic Act 1914 that helping addicts is not in the normal course of medical duties. I imagine that whacked-out places like certain countries in the Near East may have similar things in force (and then if they catch an addict, the next Friday they lop off his or her head in the town square) but that vicious bit of jurisprudence still floors doctors, lawyers, politicians, and others from around the world. There now is a trickle of people leaving the United States for Canada because of all of this foolishness, and the ones I talk to have no intent to return to the States.

I actually do not hear a lot, anything actually, on an "opioid crisis" (aside from the fact that poor and mid-income countries get nowhere near enough opium and the like for medical uses) from the International Narcotics Control Board, so I am sure it is all a racket to make rehab clinic owners rich. Doesn't associating the profit motive with something like that upset anybody? The World Health Organisation declared in the autumn of 1995 that all people have the right to freedom from pain -- that quote in German was even the 24-point headline on the package insert of the Codidol I used to take for chronic pain, and I think the Vilan package insert and those for lots of Mundipharma narcotics have that quote too. If I am not mistaken, the INCB balked at what the FDA and DEA did to Johnson and Johnson when they put tapentadol in Schedule II of the US CSA 1970 and the INCB refused to treat it as a hard narcotic like morphine, politically at least.

Unfortunately, it does leak out into the rest of the Anglophone world; I have heard some hair-curling stories about that from Australia of all places. The US people in charge know what they are doing, and it is straight up imperialism -- I was hoping that now that President Trump has proved that he really is an isolationist that he would turn down the volume on that kind of shit . . . Hillary Rodham Clinton is a pretty sharp observer of this kind of thing and human nature and I am not sure if she 100 per cent believed in the "opioid cri$i$" herself . . . what she had to do when her boss Barack Obama took the wrong turn and swallowed the "Arab Spring" thing hook, line, and sinker and turned two sort of debatable wars into seven stone cold imperialist police actions notwithstanding, I was hoping that either outcome in 2016 would have marked the high water mark of all this bullshit and things would improve. Yemen in particular -- BHO wins a Nobel Peace Prize, then sides with Saudi Arabia, a nuclear-proliferation enabler on top of everything else horrible they do, in their genocidal war against the 5-Imam Shi'ites and in theory he could have wound up in the dock like Hermann Göring . . .

Cutting off a chronic pain patient is a sure way to make what is probably a solid citizen into a street addict overnight, and the medical establishment even has researched pseudo-addiction, where undertreated pain makes patients desperate and willing to "doctor shop" (I think that is a basic consumer right than all people have -- as long as they are not collecting prescriptions from 10 doctors and filling them all) and even contact the underworld and resort to clandestine drug synthesis to get their pain taken care of.

i truly believe the opioid crisis is a joke aside from the cheap lacing of drugs with fentanyl which is ludicrous to say the least because of how dangerous it is, as a dealer your goal is to have a returning customer that pays, not to kill them..
but because people aren't able to responsibly take opiates and think "hey if i can do 50mg then i can do 300" and end up dead, well then it adds up which is really hurting the true pain patients.

 

[Jabberwocky]

I don't have much to add, but please do not drink when you're doing this. The overdose potential is increased 25-fold. And as for adding other downers, i would assume the overdose potential would be raised, as well.

 

[Nicomorphinist]

Yes, I am thinking a lot of the lacing must be done at the wholesale level or earlier and there could be some very dark reasons for it -- all I can think of are the 10k+ Americans who died of drinking booze with kerosene, petrol, methanol, oleander, cinchophen, strychnine, arsenic and shit in it during alcohol prohibition 1919-1933

 

[Zonxx]

I don't have much to add, but please do not drink when you're doing this. The overdose potential is increased 25-fold. And as for adding other downers, i would assume the overdose potential would be raised, as well.

The ol' cocathylene? Yeah naw dont worry i dont partake in the drink while using coke, whenever i end up with both in my system though is occasionally i drink well past my limits( used to be i cant say alcoholic but a half litre-2litre) a day indulger during a bad time and that practice of way of consuming the drinks stuck with me, i dont drink often but once in awhile when i do drink, i dont actually use a glass, not boasting either i foolishly'll open a bottle and just sit there casually drinking from it but 8/10 times im fine the times where i know i should stay conscious and not passout or fall asleep while too inebriated i'll do a small toke or line but never really continue past that n' cook up a meal to suck up the booze ive found plain rice to be pretty good at that, but im never empty while drinking my sort of call it ritual is to buy several baguettes when i get a bottle with a few garlic butter sticks and sit there, armed with a large plate, bread knife, butter knife n drink and eat garlic bread aberlour 12 and maccalans 12 double cask or some good ol glenfiddich 12 are my go-tos

 

[Zonxx]

Yes, I am thinking a lot of the lacing must be done at the wholesale level or earlier and there could be some very dark reasons for it -- all I can think of are the 10k+ Americans who died of drinking booze with kerosene, petrol, methanol, oleander, cinchophen, strychnine, arsenic and shit in it during alcohol prohibition 1919-1933

Yeah i dont ever preach " its the government" to avoid sounding a iddy bit insane but it would make sense, the company escapes me, the oxy making company thats made what 45billion off oxycodone in the last 22 years? Perhaps its the gov's way of fighting back to divert the potential funds elsewhere