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Am I just a nonvisual person?

Depressicaa

Depressicaa

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I have done shrooms, DMT, and 2CE so far. I have never gotten visuals. Just a bit of waviness, but never had full on hallucinations. I also rarely dream if that helps (I wrote never before, sorry guys). Am I missing a chemical that I can get or am I just doomed to never respond to visuals?
 
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Very interesting... I was just about to say you didnt smoke enough dmt until you brought up the no dreaming part. Do you see actual forms well? Like do you make out humans and animals and stuff good?
 
I guess it depends how much you have done those and at what dose ive hallucinated oevs and cevs on all 3 of them but I didnt really get many oevs on my first shroom trip. Guess some individuals are different but the fact you don't dream still makes it seem like its a different issue.
 
Oh fuck I wrote never. I didn't mean never, I occasionally have them, but its not very common. Its like maybe once or twice every few months. I didn't ever see any actual forms. The only stuff I saw was wavering reality.

Would the RoA also have an effect. I always enjoyed psychedelics, but its just very strange that I have all the effects, except the visuals which I would assume were essential.
 
Roa can have an effect but it may very well be you are just not taking a high enough dose. Many psychonauts or psychedelic drug users would say that hallucinations are not an essential part of the trip and some find them distracting. Others enjoy them alot.

3.5 grams of quality shrooms
25 mgs of 2ce
50-60 mgs of dmt should all supply good visual effects

You may just be a 'hardhead' and it may be harder for you to breakthrough to a visual place. All of those except dmt will probably not provide actual hallucinations where stuff just pops up out of thin air they are ussually (dmt included to an extent) distortions' of reality. Make sure you're in an enviornment conducive to tripping I find 2ce shines during the day and mushrooms shine at night outside while Dmt is good in a room with sunlight coming through a window with the shades down (diffused sunlight)
 
I don't find shrooms or 2C-E to be as visual as LSD, i recommend it.

I would think that if you've had a breakthrough dose of DMT, visuals would be unavoidable....

Do you smoke weed while tripping? Many people find that it amplifies the visual aspects of the trip. Also, setting plays a part - music helps me a lot.
 
yea i find music is almost a powerful of an amplifier as weed is. Well depends on what music you're listening to. For me stuff by Shpongle and psytrance tend to help my trips transition into the peak more easily and the trips "perform" better. By perform i mean they are just more solid and stronger. Kind of like eating right and stuff makes you healthier and your body stronger, that sort of thing.
 
I personally hate weed. I hate the paranoia it gives me, so I just avoid it completely now. Even my kpins don't prevent it as much anymore. I heard that they (kpins) are used to pull you out of bad trips, is it worth tripping if I take a kpin, smoke weed, and also trip? I would like an introspective experience because I haven't killed the ego yet.

Oh neato. I was listening to some mixtapes which I thought fit the mood, but I guess it wasn't good enough huh? :p

Thanks for telling me about your experience. Hopefully I will have the same thing happen.
 
I've always thought myself to be a nonvisual tripper. However, at high dosages, occasionally I will be pleasantly surprised by some rather intricate and vivid visions.

I can't recommend changa (Caapi alkaloids + smoked DMT) enough for any vision-seeker. The entire experience is one with a vast, three-dimensional space of light-machines.
 
well im pretty sure caapi is an maoi and in ocnjunction with dmt should not be taken by a first time to dmt. At least that is what i have heard.
 
^ He's already taken DMT, man -- read the first post.


Regardless, Caapi actually seems to make the trip more organic and less "weird".
 
Maybe your antidepressant medication interferes with the visual action of the drugs. But I don't really know a lot about these interactions, maybe someone else can help out?

check this out : http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=512121

edit: just to be sure, (i am not trying to belittle you, you probably know better than i do) don't cold turkey quit your meds if you feel that this might be causing your lack of visuals!
 
Trust me, you can trip on klonopin. Xanax is a whole nother story...

Anyway, OP, are you taking any other meds? Supplements? How long have you been on kpins? They kill REM sleep so that's why you hardly ever dream - also what dose and how frequently?

I dose twice daily at 1mg - noon and midnight... so if I drop a chem between 4 and 6PM, I still trip pretty hard...

Go get some DXM... drink a bottle of Robo Max and lie down and put some music on (headphones work best) and see if you trip out... if not, your kpin is most likely dulling the effects though I don't see why it would. You'll likely never be able to trip LSD but other psychs aren't as sensitive to benzos. In fact I've taken kpins WHILE tripping and it actually killed the anxiety but INCREASED the visuals... LSD excluded.
 
It is but it can get really overwhelming. Xanax, on the other hand, increases the anxiety but dulls the trip... I hate that crap.

Anyway kpins potentiate both families a bit for me but tryptamines it synergizes REALLY well with...
 
The craziest visuals I've ever gotten were from AMT. Shrooms tend to be more visual than LSD for me but that's probably more of a dosage thing since I've only tried 1 hit at a time for acid.
2C-E brings me to a swimmy place with some patterns, slightly more intense than my acid trips but nothing like my most visual AMT trips(probably dosage again, but I felt more comfortable doing high doses of AMT than 2C-E). My highest dose of 2C-E was 15 mg but I'm also 130 lbs so I expected to see a bit more.
Dissociatives and even my dreams are usually a pretty dark thing for me, never really visual but still vivid. I have pretty good dream recall at least.
I agree about weed making things worse usually. Also music, what an amazing catalyst for visuals. Sometimes I really need something to "set off" some patterns, usually looking at shadows/light. Most of my visuals occur in the bathroom. I end up getting sucked into looking at my veins a lot, that's when I get patterns all over my skin.
 
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Depressicaa said:
I have done shrooms, DMT, and 2CE so far. I have never gotten visuals. Just a bit of waviness, but never had full on hallucinations. I also rarely dream if that helps (I wrote never before, sorry guys). Am I missing a chemical that I can get or am I just doomed to never respond to visuals?
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Waviness and morphing etc are usually as far as visuals go. Psychedelics are normally about perception distortions rather than hallucinating things that aren't there (with the exception of the occasional pattern, or eye, or face). If you were expecting people to appear/disappear randomly, spiders to come out of the walls, or the ground to turn into grass - then you might want to look at (don't, they're not really any fun or useful) deliriants rather than psychedelics.

I honestly wasn't impressed with psychedelic visuals at first when I started tripping, because I expected different things/more visuals than I was getting, but after a couple of trips I realised it wasn't about the visuals in the first place, and coincidentally, after that my trips got a lot more visual.

So on that note, maybe drop your expectations, just enjoy the ride, and see what happens :)
 
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