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Am I Damaging My Liver?

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allecw

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I made a post a couple of days ago about there possibly being something wrong with my oxy10/325's and after trying some hydros from another source and getting the same results I am starting to wonder if there is something wrong with me. btw my tolerance is about 30-40mg of oxy to feel good. not euphoric but ok.

My problems seemed to start the day after I tried potentiating my 30mg oxy with gf juice for my first time. The potentiation seemed to make me a little more tired is all. The next morning I took my 30 mg oxy(10/325) (last time with gf juice) as normal and I got a burning pain in my sternum that would go through to my back, a terrible headache, my face and torso would get very hot, I would be very irratable then the oxy would eventually make me very very tired. Nothing positive at all. Just way more tired than 30mg oxy should make me. My breathing is even shallow!

So after a couple of days of this I assume that I have some terrible acid reflux (or bad pills) that is just ruining the buzz and I start taking my prescibed 300mg ranitidine 2x a day. I usually never take it. It seemed to make things worse.

So then on sat (6-7 days later)after being worried that I could have liver damage I go to the emergency room and tell them I have taken 10 grams of apap (i didnt do that)so they will check my liver. They do a physical exam and some blood test on my liver, kidneys, and gall bladder. They assumed gall bladder when I told them my symptoms but all normal when the blood test came back.

I start to think that its heartburn again. So I start to take an enormous amount of tums and move from ranitidine to tagamet. Pain and weirdness still there. Worse after I take my oxy or hydro. This morning I take my 20mg hydro with 1000 apap and it effects me like it hasnt in months with my tolerance higher than it used to be. Its like my tolerance has gone away. Still no positive effects though. Just an very irritable tiredness. Afew hours after my sternum burns, my face and torso get hot. Heat makes me feel worse too.

So what im wondering is if the gf juice, ranitidine, tagamet, and tums have made the apap I am taking more toxic to my liver possibly? Wouldnt that of showed up on the blood test? My tolerance cant just go away can it? When I take my 30mg perc I fell like im oding! I would just stop taking the hydro, and oxy but I will start going through withdrawls. If this continues I will have to stop. I should also add that I have done a cwe on the hydro and oxy a couple of times and I swear I had the same bad effects.

I usually never go over 1000mg apap in a single dose so I dont do a cwe very often. The week before this I did go over 1000mg in a single dose a couple of times. In the 1500mg range. No more than twice a day though. I dont think I have even done than 3000mg of apap in a day.
 
is it pobbible to do a cwe without a freezer or frig? I live in a place without one right now. I just used cold tap water and a coffee filter. like 200ml for 30mg oxy and 1000mg apap. once i used ice cubes to cool it. i would of been doin it over the past week if i had a frig. seems to damn near take all night though and I still feel like im not getting all the opiate out!
 
sorry for turning this into a cwe post but why do people put it in a freezer then? does it just make it faster/easier? Does the apap filter better when very cold. would i get more apap in my finished produce without cooling it?
 
allecw said:
is it pobbible to do a cwe without a freezer or frig? I live in a place without one right now. I just used cold tap water and a coffee filter. like 200ml for 30mg oxy and 1000mg apap. once i used ice cubes to cool it. i would of been doin it over the past week if i had a frig. seems to damn near take all night though and I still feel like im not getting all the opiate out!
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That would work just fine. It's best to get the APAP out and see if that helps your situation. Did you get the burning sensation after you did a CWE?
 
It does sound like heartburn... fucking grapefruit juice is evil for it.. try some rolaids.. they tend to help me the most.. liver pain is sharp pain to the right side.. gallbladder pain is more pronounced with pain in your center that radiates around your right shoulder. My suggestion would be to CWE your percs anyways as APAP is toxic. I don't think you have done anything horrendus to yourself but your liver will thank you for it!! Good luck and I hope you feel better.. :)
 
allecw said:
is it pobbible to do a cwe without a freezer or frig? I live in a place without one right now. I just used cold tap water and a coffee filter. like 200ml for 30mg oxy and 1000mg apap. once i used ice cubes to cool it. i would of been doin it over the past week if i had a frig. seems to damn near take all night though and I still feel like im not getting all the opiate out!
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G'day mate , yeh cold water is fine enough (you should really have a little read of the CWE megathread %)) ... just a few pointers tho :

You will lose a small amount of codeine in the extraction , should be no more than about 20% loss probably much less tho if it's done properly which is very simple ofc. The reason the cold water is used and the fridge is that codeine is soluble in very small amounts of water especially at low temperature and APAP is less soluble in colder water but still soluble all the same. So 200mls of water for just one 30/1000 is a bit overkill and most likely is absorbing the majority of that 1000mgs anyway as It's more about the amount of water than the temperature even if cold is better. People will use only 50mls for 20 tabs sometimes ... I aim for about 5mls a tab as I find 2-3mls per tab isn't enough. For just one tab if that's what your doing it's barely worth it but you don't need anywhere near 200mls , I'd just go about 20mls for 1 tablet , plenty enough but any lower and you might be losing too much in the filter process. :)

Oh yeh , forgot to mention ... with just a few tabs or especially just one it is hardly worth it to CWE but ... If you take lots of APAP everyday , even sticking to the prescribed doses it could well be building up and causing extra stress in your guts and organs ... plus I suspect not ALL the APAP is metabolized through the system every 4-6 hours and that's why they suggest not to take many of these APAP containing meds for more than a few days in a row and see a doctor , It's on the packets. So CWE'ing to be on the safe side certainly can't hurt. And one last thing ... It shouldn't have to take that long a time to do an extraction man ... with a few little tricks (see the CWE threads) it shouldn't take any longer than about 15-30 minutes , even less. ;)
(o.k. one more pointer about the "time" ; coffee filter CAN take a while longer from what I know and with better (clearer) results but try this , soak a peice of fine grade cloth and pour initial mix into this first , squeeze this through really well as a rough filtration into another glass and then filter THAT mix thru the coffee filter , it will filter much quicklier). k , hope that helps.

Anyway , Sorry to hear about your troubles there ... Best wishes and Good luck to you.

Cheers.
 
sorry about another cwe question but what do you assume my opiate losses were, and my apap intake was with the way i was doing it with the 150-200mill of cold tap water? if i did three 10/325 pills the was i was doing it was i getting like 25mg oxy and 200mg apap? most of the time there is a fair amount of goop in the filter but i can still see some powder at the bottom of my finished product.

also i know it is a very small amount to be doing a cwe on but apap seems to truly be toxic and if i knew i were doing the cwe correctly i would do it most of the times. these pills are expensive to be testing on! i couldnt do it all the time though. like at concerts or when i go out with friends. i guess i could put it in a water bottle if i had to....

it is going to take a lot of will power on my part to have a pocket full of pills and go home and do a slow cwe on them before i can have fun!
 
^Hello again ... almost forgotten I'd posted here last night. :)
No idea about exact losses there mate (5mg loss is a fair guess) ... just to say there is some loss because of basically (i guess) the absorbtion into the filter and other the other junk ... there will still be some APAP also but hopefully very little if proper procedure is followed. (Btw , my end-solution is often pretty cloudy too , some tiny particles on the bottom , that's because I'm not all that fussy about small amounts of APAP myself so filter very simply). Try and look through the CWE megathread when you get a chance. ;)

If you really don't take alot of these pills and you have breaks inbetween use then 2 or 3 tabs isn't likely going to cause much damage ... over here we get 10/500's (Codeine/APAP) and taking 3 or 4 just for an headache is not uncommon , so at least you got less APAP in the ones you use.
As for your undesired effects , I think it could just be your tolerance? ... not anything to do with GFJ and things ... maybe you just feel a little more irritable on it because it's simply not working aswell as 'the good old days' ...

I can't say for certain though ofc , just a thought ... best of luck. %)

Cheers.
 
@Umbo - you seem to be confusing oxycodone with codeine?
The OP is taking 30mg Oxy - 3 or 4 oxy for a headache would be stupidity?
 
SproutOnSmack said:
@Umbo - you seem to be confusing oxycodone with codeine?
The OP is taking 30mg Oxy - 3 or 4 oxy for a headache would be stupidity?
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And you seem to be confusing 30mg oxy with 10mg percs ;) The op would be taking 40/1300 oxy/apap if he took 4 for a headache, which isn't that much, maybe a waste of oxy but w/e. Extra strength tylenol are 500mg and it's not uncommon for people to take 3 of those.

Also side note to the op, you don't even technically have to do an extraction with cold water it would be bad to do it with hot water because heating pills any way isn't a good idea, but the main concept at play is water soluability, and opiates dissolve in room temp water pretty easy alone, so cwe just makes it that much more efficent
 
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