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alternatives to mdma once the 'magic' has been lost

^ Methamphetamine and MDMA (methylenedioxy-methamphetamine) have a very significant cross tolerance, you'd probably need to stop doing both for a good 3+ months to regain the "magic"... it's it's possible at all at this point.


Take it from me, a former meth and MDMA addict... that shit is no good for you!
 
Which? Meth or MDMA? Or both? I might just do that, then. I much prefer the ecstasy high. More open and loving and euphoric. Not screwing up my lungs. I'll give up a drug that doesn't really impress me for the sake of one I used to love (I used to WORSHIP MDMA). , if I can love it again.
 
To the OP, if MDMA has lost it magic you have two choices.

1) Take more to try get the magic that wont come back and fuck yourself up more or choose a different drug to get fucked up on. I guess, sorry, yes we will see you back here in I give it 2 months tops crying of depression/other sides.

2) Thank your lucky stars you managed to get the use out of MDMA you did and are currently mentally ok, accept it, move the fuck on. Take it from me dude, MDMA when abused will fuck the shit out of your brain and anyone, infact I challenge you if you disagree with me, with their head on straight will know it has potential for serious sides when abused. On the other hand, moderation and while there is no "safe" usage there can be responsible usage of drugs which even then will most likely come with their downfalls.

Also on the side, they need more studies on MDMAs effect on the human brain - not a fucking rat being a different organism to a human, different metabolic factors (both chemically and even physically) and at doses equivalent to human doses on a typical MDMA fueld night rather than doses given to a single rat that could keep an entire nightclub partying.
 
Meth, for sure.

I abused the shit out of MDMA... but once I started getting into meth my life went completely down hill. And DEFINITELY don't smoke that shit.. so fucking fiendy. I was a speed addict for years, but the day I smoked meth I completely lost control. I vowed off of amphetamines after that day (actually, 3 days straight), I know know that I cannot handle them.
 
You know, I've never had a comedown off of MDMA or meth. I know with meth, they would come soon enough with regular usage. Cocaine comedowns used to have me crying when I ran out, especially if I were drinking as well. But I've heard people say they get terrible comedowns off of MDMA almost immediately, even with occasional use. I can honestly say I've never experienced one. I did blank out my emotions once, but only after stupidly using for about a week. I realized what I had done and never tried that strategy again. Only time I've ever had any negative. Even then, I didn't feel it as the x wore off. I woke up that one morning feeling mentally slow, chemically depleted. Naturally. But with normal, moderate MDMA use (even every couple weeks), never felt a "comedown" at all. I wonder why some people get these immediately and terribly, and others, it may take a while. Some hate meth because of the comedown after the first try. Again, can't say I've ever really had one on the level I've heard described. It's pretty clean, so far. The picking, bugs under skin, whatever. None of that. I heard a lot of that has to do with dirty impurities and hygiene, though.
 
Folley said:
I was saying, generally, MDMA is a better choice than cocaine which is rife with toxic impurities like levamisole that eat out the tissue of your nose.
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levamisole eats the tissue out of your nose? there are no toxic impurities in mdma?

Not to mention cocaine is much more addictive and habit forming than MDMA, not that you can't have some serious problems with MDMA.

Of course that opinion is rather biased, but I think most would agree with me
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So you're saying most would have a rather biased opinion on this issue? and that opinion is the one you just brought forward? :confused:
 
Yeah. Replacing MDMA with coke is a horrible idea. I'll give MDMA more credit overall. Less addictive, less expensive, less ego-centric. I never do anything I regret on MDMA, but coke can get me in your face and aggressive without even realizing it. MDMA is a nicer high, but coke.. jeez. I fell in love so quickly. It's all about me. Nothing beats cocaine for me, in any form. Only thing I've ever craved regularly, felt unnatural enthusiasm for. I just.. nah. I'm glad I don't make much money and that I'm not a rockstar, cause powder/crack would be my downfall. I usually backed away when I scared myself with the cravings. For one, I didn't want to do it habitually and thus ruin the high for myself. Do it on occasion to get high as hell. Daily use.. even use a after a certain amount of hours, what's the point?
 
Levamisole has increasingly been used as a cutting agent in cocaine sold in the US and Canada. In 2008–2009, levamisole was found in 69% of cocaine samples seized by the US DEA.[6] By April 2011, the DEA reported the adulterant was found in 82% of seizures.[20]
Levamisole adds bulk and weight to powdered cocaine (whereas other adulterants produce smaller "rocks" of cocaine) and makes the drug appear purer.[21] In a series of investigative articles for The Stranger, Brendan Kiley details other rationales for levamisole's rise as an adulterant: possible stimulant effects, a similar appearance to cocaine, and an ability to pass street purity tests.[22]
Levamisole suppresses the production of white blood cells, resulting in neutropenia and agranulocytosis. With the increasing use of levamisole as an adulterant, a number of these complications have been reported among cocaine users.[6][23][24] Levamisole has also been linked to a risk of vasculitis,[25] and two cases of vasculitic skin necrosis have been reported in users of cocaine adulterated with levamisole.[26]


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Levamisole
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You should google levamisole and go into the images, I warn you, it is disturbing.
 
Folley said:
You should google levamisole and go into the images, I warn you, it is disturbing.
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i don't see how the wikipedia quote supports your claim that "toxic impurities like levamisole eat out the tissue of your nose."
 
Can you test for levamisole? It is a big reason I slowed down on coke when I did. I just wondered if the reports were being completely truthful. You never know, you know?
 
Well, I suppose the best thing to do it to clean your coke, even if you have to buy a larger quantity than you would use in one session and apply self-control. Buy a decent amount so you can clean it all and have it around. I'd rather buy a quarter and have a lot of it disappear, allowing the clean high, rather than snorting all those impurities. I know levamisole isn't removed as easily as other cuts, but I'm assuming it's possible?...
 
guerrilla said:
skin necrosis would be very unlikely to affect the nasal soft tissues. i still call bs on what you wrote.
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Well.. I'm sorry you feel this way? Perhaps "rotting out your nose" was a bit of an overgeneralization, but the facts are all there friend.


Levamisole-induced vasculitis is a relatively new entity in people who use cocaine. We describe a 44-year-old woman with a history of cocaine use who presented with a complaint of a painful rash of 2-3 month's duration on her extremities, cheeks, nose, and earlobes. She had not experienced fever, weight loss, alopecia, dry eyes, oral ulcers, photosensitivity, or arthralgia. Examination revealed tender purpuric eruptions with central necrosis on her nose, cheeks, earlobes, and extremities. Laboratory investigations revealed neutropenia, an elevated erythrocyte sedimentation rate (ESR), presence of lupus anticoagulant, low complement component 3 (C3), and presence of perinuclear anti-neutrophil cytoplasmic antibody (p-ANCA). A urine toxicology screen was positive for cocaine, and gas chromatography-mass spectrometry was positive for levamisole. Skin biopsy showed leukocytoclastic vasculitis and small vessel thrombosis. Necrotic lesions of the nose led to its self-amputation. Large bullae on the lower extremities ruptured, leading to wound infection and extensive necrosis that required multiple surgical debridements. When necrosis progressed despite debridement, bilateral above-knee amputation of the legs was performed. Once new lesions stopped appearing, the patient was discharged home. Two months later, she had a recurrence related to cocaine use. To the best of our knowledge, this is only the second reported case of levamisole-induced vasculitis that required above-knee amputation.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23186390
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Check out the picture if you want to see what someone with an amputated nose looks like. Again, I warn you.. it is very disturbing.




More information on the subject can be found on Wikipedia:

Levamisole toxicity in cocaine supply
Levamisole has become a common additive to illicit cocaine. It is thought to intensify the “high” by releasing dopamine in the brain, it also acts as a bulking agent and, finally is a difficult adulterant to recognize. Potential risks of levamisole-laced cocaine include neutropenia, agranulocytosis, arthralgias, retiform purpura and skin necrosis, fever and neutropenia.2,3 The skin necrosis associated with levamisole toxicity ranges from leukocytoclastic vasculitis to occlusive vasculopathy. Several cases of severe agranulocytosis associated with cocaine use have been reported since 2006. With the recently recognized dermal disease, the face and ears are commonly affected, especially the bilateral helices and cheeks. However, there have also been case reports of involvement of the abdomen, chest, lower buttocks and legs3,5.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Levamisole_Induced_Necrosis_Syndrome
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maybe take a trip on the wild side and experiment with a few hallucinogens or alternatively if your drug use doesn't have to be party based maybe try some light opiates or light doses of better opiates and just relax and watch movies or something
 
soneal97 hows the best way to clean it. Man Ive been wondering what a good tech would consist of. Shit I get is hard as a rock, which I normally wouldn't bitch about, but when in water it leaves trash. I would love to work around it
 
For me the "magic" was just discovering drugs that can change your why of feeling and looking at the world!

Granted i felt F-K-N-G good the first time i took X-pills but the so called magic first came with the MDMA crystals.
Sure taking a brake will get you a better high but it will not make it as the first time. So if your just wont that greet feeling the first time gave you i suggest Candy/Hippy flipping/tripping. It won't be the same but on for example LSD + MDMA will rock your world, and for me it did every time until i became so used to Psychedelics so i felt like home in a trip.

I think for getting back that first time magic you need to get full blown amnesia and stumble upon X again ;)
(Hay don't loose hope! With all the experimental chemicals you can take my be it's not such a far fetch ide haha!! No just kidding.)

A god tip is to dive into the world of RC drugs! BUT reed your homework first and be safe!
(I have composed mixed MDMA property drugs that both I and people around me have liked more then just plane old MDMA.)
 
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