Alternatives to alcoholics anonymous

[B17]

The Beck protocol is more delusion and fraud. Its been claimed as an AIDS cure since the 80's. Its utter Hulda Clark style bullshit. There is not one documented Beck protocol cure for AIDS an area where Beck protocol promoters prayed on hopeless people for a long time.

B17 you seem like an encyclopedia of alternative medicine turned into exploitation and delusion. I consider your points of view to be fallacious and dangerous and encourage other BLer to do some evidence based research before taking any of your very bad advice on health matters.

I'm pro-alternative health care by the way. There is stuff out there though that is complete fantasy and dangerous by itself or because it gets people to ignore treatments that actually do something. Electrical pulses do not cure AIDS or any other pathogen caused disease that I'm aware of. Quack.

Here you go, Mr Skeptical:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cranial_electrotherapy_stimulation

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1518073/pdf/califmed00129-0084a.pdf

http://psychology.wikia.com/wiki/Electrosleep_treatment

Proof that CES (Bio Tuner technology from Dr Robert Beck) clearly WORKS!

Research all you can before making such baseless comments about something you have NEVER tried, and never read up on.
According to you the Europeans and the Russians are full of it.

Ignorant people amuse me.

 

[Jabberwocky]

^We were asked to keep this on the topic of alternatives to alcoholics anonymous. Are you positing that Cranial Electrical Stimulation is effective in decreasing excessive alcohol use or in attaining abstinence from alcohol? Claims that cranial stimulation could alter neurotransmitters, possibly in a positive way seem within the range of possible.

I highly recommend the book "Games Alcoholics Play" by Claude Steiner. Anything on alcoholism by Stanton Peele are very good in my opinion as well.

NSFW:

Beck's primary claims were for curing AIDS and cancer. CES is not the bio tuner woo bullshit. Even if it were the same technology which it isn't at all there is no mention of CES treating pathogen caused diseases or cancer.

I have read about Bob Beck, Hulda Clark and others before you were even aware they existed. I have not been opposing your bullshit because I'm unfamiliar with it but because I have encountered it many times and done research.Wikipedia articles are not proof of anything though some citations within the articles turn out to be pretty useful.

Zapping your arm with a battery through a"specially tuned" device is not comparable CES or TENS and the claims made for Beck/Hulda zappers are not at all believable to me. If we clap that we believe though we can always bring tinker bell back to life.

 

[B17]

You do realize that the "bio tuner" and the "blood electrification pulser" are two different things, both brought to the west by Dr Bob Beck? Bio tuner is based on the CES technology from USSR in 1949. The blood electrification device is based on Dr Lyman and Dr Kaali research from Albert Einstein Hospital. In their experiments these two doctors were able to destroy HIV virus by electrifying the blood, while leaving the normal blood cells untouched.

It's all documented in the US patent office, you can all look it up yourself. I can give you the patent number if you wish.

If you were open minded you would appreciate all the hard work this man has put in so medicine is affordable to everyone.

PS according to Dr Robert Beck the bio tuner can stop the addiction to alcohol after 5 days, with 2 x 30 minute sessions per day. Combine this with high doses of niacin and I think you have a great way of beating alcoholism, depression and anxiety in a very cheap manner.

No wonder the pharmaceutical companies want it completely suppressed along with AA.

 

[Cane2theLeft]

^ it's funny, when I met with a formal representative of Reckitt Benckiser (who make Suboxone) at an addiction counseling conference in April, he stressed how they try to encourage prescribers to make counseling and 12-step a condition of treatment.

You've been warned about taking off-topic discussion elsewhere and you continue to promote unsubstantiated claims and are desperately attempting to tenuously tie these concepts you're fond of to the subject of this thread. It's clear you are posting here to discuss Dr. Beck and bio tuners and in doing so, needlessly derailing this thread.

If anyone would like to actually discuss this topic, PM me and I'll gladly reopen it In the interim, take it elsewhere, B17.