Opioids alternative to oxy ops (making me toooooo tired!)

[diabolik74]

ive been on oxy ops (20mgs 2x day). these make me extremely tired! can anyone help me with the names of other er released opiates that dont make you sleepy/tired etc? some names of some other strong opiates i can ask my doctor for, for extended/sustained release that dont make you tired and maybe give you energy, kinda like percs but extended? i realize that im sure none will give energy like short acting ones like percs etc but i cant function and work when im falling asleep at my desk and when i go to bed i have to peel myself out of the bed at 3pm. any advice would be greatly appreciated! someone please respond!

 

[SaosinEngaged]

Oxy is generally considered the "speedy" Opiate already.

It's so funny how everyone's body processes drugs differently; I'm alert, awake, and easily able to concentrate when I'm on Oxy.

If anything, Oxy produces a bit of insomnia in me!

 

[diabolik74]

ty for the reply! this happens to you even on the oxy ops? do you think the longer im on them ill stop being tired and start getting the effects you are?

 

[Jabberwocky]

you're best off discussing this with your doctor because he's the one with the prescription pad.

percocet = oxycodone/apap by the way. perhaps if you're only taking 2 x 20mg of the OP's a day your doctor might be open to taking the equivalent percocet dosage though you'll be dosing more than twice a day if you need round the clock relief, which suspect because you're on extended release meds. the amount of APAP you'll be consuming shouldn't be a concern either, not until you're bordering on the 4000mg/day limit. long term it may be an issue.

 

[diabolik74]

i just went from oxycodone 4 pills a day thats why i was switched to get a more powerful around the clock pain relief. any suggestions that may work but not make me so tired?

 

[Jabberwocky]

we could suggest ever opioid in the book but fact is until you try it you're not going to know how you'll react. everybody reacts differently to substances.

you're best discussing the options with your doctor.

 

[Doug2113]

Well actually, the 4g limit on APAP isn't for chronic every day dosing...I think it's more around 2500...

And I find it odd that the Oxy ER affects you more than the 4 Oxy IR as while when you take the OP it will put you a just the same blood concentration as if you were to eat a 10mg, and it would slowly become slower instead of spiking up and coming down more rapidly and spiking up again...

 

[Captain.Heroin]

Buprenorphine is more stimulating than oxycodone IME; however it's not a popular option among fellow Bluelighters, but the choice is yours.

You could also try to counteract the sedation with caffeine if you would like to, some people don't like such a combination, whereas others may even go so far as to say that caffeine assists with analgesia.

 

[diabolik74]

yeah me too thats why i thought it must have something to do with the op version. who knows, maybe ive just been so tired from not being able to get quality sleep in so long due to the chronic pain that once i had pain relieve, i was just catching up on all the sleep ive been missing out on for so long.

Buprenorphine is more stimulating than oxycodone IME; however it's not a popular option among fellow Bluelighters, but the choice is yours.

You could also try to counteract the sedation with caffeine if you would like to, some people don't like such a combination, whereas others may even go so far as to say that caffeine assists with analgesia.

thanks, ill go research that med now. why is it not popular amongst the board members?

 

[diabolik74]

thanks, ill go research that med now. why is it not popular amongst the board members?

Ok I didnt realize at first glance that is suboxone. i can see why its not popular here lol. ty for the advice but its not popular to me either lol. i want something that will give me a bit of a buzz too along with the pain relief so that med is out of the question lol. i do appreciate the help though, it was very nice of you and im not being sarcastic or anything. i appreciate everyones replies btw!

 

[Captain.Heroin]

thanks, ill go research that med now. why is it not popular amongst the board members?

It is commonly used as an ORT medication (a drug which is used to help heroin/opiate users quit). Due to its partial agonist activity at the mu opioid receptor, it's hard to catch an appreciable buzz with buprenorphine when you are fighting a huge tolerance to heroin and other full agonist opiates. However, as your tolerance returns to normal, buprenorphine is quite euphoric, as the ideal dosage will ideally leave a perfect amount of room for the full agonist metabolite.

Buprenorphine is typically not something a lot of Bluelighters enjoy, because it will cause you to go into precipitated withdrawal if it's taken while you're still under the effects of full agonist opiates. Therefore, to use buprenorphine following full agonist opiate usage, you must wait until you are a decent way into the acute withdrawal syndrome so as to avoid precipitated withdrawal.

Additionally, the last feature which people seem to complain endlessly when it comes to buprenorphine - is how it sticks in your system for quite some time due to a long half life; this means a single dosage of 4mg, 8mg, or more sublingually, may cause people to not be able to get high on heroin/full agonist opiates for day(s) after the buprenorphine was taken.

Just as an example, in my own personal experience, I could use one 2mg dosage of Suboxone (sublingually) in the morning/noon, and I could still get just as high off of a regular dosage of heroin later the same evening (8PM to midnight, sometimes earlier or later depending on the circumstances). After a while of switching from Suboxone to heroin and back again, I eventually got tired of using heroin and eventually stopped using it as I have truly outgrown the experience and much prefer buprenorphine's regular effects as I have gotten to a point where the tolerance to buprenorphine doesn't stop me from getting ideal effects, whereas I could never have this with heroin - as heroin tolerance is an inevitability if you use it frequently enough (more than 1x a week/month etc).

 

[diabolik74]

Ok I didnt realize at first glance that is suboxone. i can see why its not popular here lol. ty for the advice but its not popular to me either lol. i want something that will give me a bit of a buzz too along with the pain relief so that med is out of the question lol. i do appreciate the help though, it was very nice of you and im not being sarcastic or anything. i appreciate everyones replies btw!

since i brought the question of "buzz" into the equation. whats the best extended release/sustained release etc. opiate that gives u the best buzz? i dont shoot up btw. and by buzz i mean not nodding off into sleep but eurphoria like speedy or just warm and fuzzy without falling asleep kinda high? morphine? fentanyl etc? if so, which one, kadian, ms contin, avinza? fentanyl patches? i hear you have to have the name brand patches to get the gel off of and the generics wont work for buzz. and which is the easiest to bypass all the matrixes, coatings or whatever they put in all this stuff so it can be all instant release? id snort, eat, or put in rectum, whichever is the best buzz for what im looking for with a fairly easy bypass method. sorry im jumping into this topic. please i hope i am not offending anyone. i just figure if you have the meds anyway due to pain, its nice to have some fun with them at times too and with this fun, ususally better pain relief follows. i can basically get my doctor to prescribe almost anything. i dont think she'd go for prescribing me roxis though. thanks in advance!

bit of background info too. im a 37 year old female with a fairly high tolerance. ive been on alot of this stuff in 2008 before a surgery, had the original oc's, fentanyl, opana etc. also how opana er these days for a good buzz like the kind im looking for. none of these drugs helped me in 08 becasue i had a cyst impinging on nerve roots and nothing would help besides the cyst removal. also been on methadone too. i dont wanna ask for that from my dr. though. im not interested in methadone. thanks again in advance! you guys have been great!

i guess crushing up the oxy ops as best as possible and soaking for a few hrs to overnight in soda helps instant release then drinking it but whats the buzz like instantly from oxy op? sleepy euphoric or warm fuzzy feeling just fabulous euphoric? just wanna know more before i do it and then find out i cant get out of bed the next day for work cause im soo damn tired lol.

 

[lorne667]

Um... What you said about suboxone not giving you a buzz makes no sense. A 20mg oxy OP releases LESS THAN 10mg intiailly, and blood levels never get much higher. 10mg of oxy is a pathetic dose. I had already had A HUGE TOLERANCE and was dabbling in the needle when I first tried suboxone, and got me WAY MORE BUZZED than oxy ever did. But, everyone is different, I supposes...

 

[diabolik74]

Um... What you said about suboxone not giving you a buzz makes no sense. A 20mg oxy OP releases LESS THAN 10mg intiailly, and blood levels never get much higher. 10mg of oxy is a pathetic dose. I had already had A HUGE TOLERANCE and was dabbling in the needle when I first tried suboxone, and got me WAY MORE BUZZED than oxy ever did. But, everyone is different, I supposes...

either way i dont wanna get a script for suboxone or it will most likely make my dr. suspicious. so any advice on the best opiate buzz with the easist bypass with the happy, warm, fuzzy non sleepy euphoric buzz? again, opana er any good? not a needle person, strictly snort, eat, or rectal.

anyone with any information on any of these questions? please?

 

[rob007]

either way i dont wanna get a script for suboxone or it will most likely make my dr. suspicious. so any advice on the best opiate buzz with the easist bypass with the happy, warm, fuzzy non sleepy euphoric buzz? again, opana er any good? not a needle person, strictly snort, eat, or rectal.

opana will make you nod of even faster.

 

[Jabberwocky]

either way i dont wanna get a script for suboxone or it will most likely make my dr. suspicious. so any advice on the best opiate buzz with the easist bypass with the happy, warm, fuzzy non sleepy euphoric buzz? again, opana er any good? not a needle person, strictly snort, eat, or rectal.

now you're just searching to get high which ain't the purpose of this forum.

 

[NeighborhoodThreat]

^This.

If the OPs aren't working, you need to speak to your doctor about an alternate medication.

 

[diabolik74]

now you're just searching to get high which ain't the purpose of this forum.

No, I am searching to get my initial question answered that I opened the topic with. If a medication can help with my pain by getting through the time release, while making me not get tired and be able to function, all the more useful for my pain. I am a cancer patient and if you re-read what I said, I said that with getting by the extended release, it makes for better pain control and by "buzz" like I wrote already above, I do not want anyone to confuse that with what that normally means to most who "are searching to get high" as you inferred from my question. I am not interested in getting the "high" that most opiate addicts enjoy, I stated just the OPPOSITE. I do not appreciate you implying that I am on here looking to "just get high" either. I have stage 3 lung cancer and spinal cancer and I am in horrible pain since 2008. As the topic states, I am looking for a medication that I can function on a daily basis opposed to something that makes me unable to function due to being horribly sleepy, tired, and unable to perform the little work I can do to provide for by basic living and medical treatment costs. I am greatly offended by you not reading my entire post and knowing nothing about me, automatically "assuming" I am some addict that is "just looking to get high."

 

[Jabberwocky]

i had no idea about your condition so don't jump down my throat and act as if i'm being prejudice and accusing you of being an addict when i haven't.

so any advice on the best opiate buzz

not a needle person, strictly snort, eat, or rectal.

when you start throwing those phrases around how is that not abusing the medication??

 

[diabolik74]

i had no idea about your condition so don't jump down my throat and act as if i'm being prejudice and accusing you of being an addict when i haven't.





when you start throwing those phrases around how is that not abusing the medication??

That is why I said that I was hoping not to offend anyone, getting past the time release is just a way I am looking to find better pain relief. It was late when I posted due to being kept awake via pain. I apologize if it came off in a way I did not intend. Since it seemed that every medication affects people differently, I figured I would try the route where I could at least get the most out of a medication for pain relief without getting the undesired effects I am currently getting from the oxy op. Looking back at that particular post, I can see why you would come to that conclusion. I am sorry for that, truly I am. I come in peace. Thanks for pointing out how it did come across to you and others.