Misc Alternating drugs to prevent addiction

[Gon Farufa]

Hi All,




Let's start with an introduction of myself. I'm a 44 years old male from Amsterdam (the Netherlands) and used lots of weed from the age of 17. The last 2 years I started loving raves again and doing harder drugs as well. Never did opiates.


The most important feature of this site I consider harm-reduction. The posts on using opiates/heroin were that good, I never even considered trying it.


People mostly look down on drug users. However, I never came across a site where the love and support of people using drugs were as great as this one. People like NSA, herbavore, Captain.Heroin, ad lib, Maya, T. Calderone, omen_owen mk2, sekio, SwampFox56, djsim and Eveleivibe (And I'm sorry to not have mentioned several deserving others) probably prevented more harm than most doctors do. I really think you can/should be proud at yourselves!!! You have all owned my respect for your warning, loving and caring about fellow users!


People might find this a triggering post. If more experienced users than me, know this is never going to work and might make people miserable for trying it, please remove this post or offending parts of it!!!








Now I have a question. Say I were to mix drugs:


- 0.8g Weed on Monday
- 6ml GHB on Tuesday
- 50mg amphetamines(speed, not meth) on Wednesday
- 1.2g Weed on Thursday
- Nothing on Friday
- 100mg amphetamines(speed, not meth) on Saturday or XTC every 3 months
- 2mg Etizolam on Sunday


Would this prevent this from me getting addicted? What answers would be most likely?


1) No, I would be using all drugs at random because I wont have the discipline to keep this schedule.
2) Yes, I would be able to refrain from the other drugs because I can always look forward to use drugs.
3) No, I would be using speed more often because of it's usefulness at work.
4) No, not using on a Sunday would be too much to ask.
5) No, stressful periods at work/personal life would break my schedule and I would not be able to return to it.
6) Yes, because I wouldn't get addicted, Since I would enjoy drugs much more cause of lower tolerance to any of them.
7) No, I'll soon develop a DOC and start skipping the other drugs.
No, It's just not possible to use drugs in this way and I am even naive to try it.
9) No, This kind of use will result in sleep deprivation and all kinds of negative consequences because of it.
10) No, I just use to often, even these 'low' amounts.
11) Yes, the amounts I am using is low enough.
12) No, the amounts I am using will slowly grow unmanageable.


I would appreciate when you would indicate your 3 most likely (more if you want to) answers. Like: 3,4,7 for example.


If you think I missed answers or was incomplete with my descriptions, please be so kind to add them.


As you might have guessed English isn't my native language and I apologize for typo's and poor language constructs.


This is not a study, it's only used for my benefit (and hopefully others on this site).


If I missed threads about this same subject, please give me a referral to them, or move it to the correct forum, Thx!




Wishing happiness to all of you!


Gonfarufa

 

[EP158207]

That is not a good idea. Your schedule only allows for on day off from drugs and that is not enough. Sooner or later it will catch up to you, and I predict that using etizolam every week will most likely lead to addiction. I would suggest you stic to weed for most of the week and occasionally indulge in theGHB and the speed. This is just my opinion.

 

[Larc]

TBH, if you're asking a question like this, it would be worth your time to make a self evaluation as to why you started doing drugs again.

While cycling drugs will prevent most of the nasty withdrawal symtoms, it doesnt mean you arent addicted already.

Like a former addict chipping heroin, in most cases its only a matter of time before drugs initiate a downward spiral in our lives.

Doing some research on poly drug addiction would be worth your time.

 

[Permanent Jones]

Hello Gon,
I would, as a sometimes very heavy, lifelong drug user and addict, suggest numbers 7, 9, and 12 as being the big three standouts here. Please be careful! Being an older girl myself, I know that all those stimulants can be hard on your heart, or even trigger a cardiac arrest, if you take enough of them. I have known people in bur age group who have died this way. So please use caution and try to cut back, if you can. I know it's hard.

 

[alleyezonme3]

Just a personal opinon, obviously know one can know anything for sure in this type of question. But, if it were me, it would not be long at all (day 2 or 3 probably at latest, lol) before I start wondering "hmm I wonder how these two drugs together feel. Oh wow that's nice, let's add a third, fourth, etc. to find the perfect high!" Then I would just end up addicted to all of them, or find which one is my favorite and waste all my money on that. lol

Edit:

So, if you do this, and you can handle staying on schedule, with no slip ups, I think PHYSICALLY you will be fine. No addiction. No withdrawals. Mental addiction is a little different, and it just begins when you find a drug you love, almost like a person. You start thinking about it/them all the time, then you start obsessing over it, than the urge gets too strong and you start doing it all the time. Which, in time, leads to physical addiction.

 

[chase_in_56ace]

Nope you won't get addicted you're good to go

 

[sekio]

If you're planning out a schedule of recurring drug usage you're seriously overthinking it. Planning out a festival is one thing, but you don't need to be making a weekly schedule for doing drugs... Drugs are supposed to be recreational activities, not a laundry list of chores to do.

There is such a thing as being addicted to altered states in general. Just because you aren't developing a physical dependency on drugs doesn't mean you're not building a mental one too.

 

[Jackeh]

It sounds like a good plan, but that's as far as it goes.

The problem is that you're still taking a lot of drugs. You might not get an addiction to a certain drug but you could develop a problem I've noticed within myself at times - an addiction to the state of being high. You could keep this schedule, and gradually begin raise the dosage each day as you want to be higher for longer or more often.

This in itself could lead to a single substance addiction or a dependence depending on the drug.

 

[Rybee]

If you're planning out a schedule of recurring drug usage you're seriously overthinking it. Planning out a festival is one thing, but you don't need to be making a weekly schedule for doing drugs... Drugs are supposed to be recreational activities, not a laundry list of chores to do.

I can't agree with this any more.

Im not a hard drug user by any means, I just use them recreationally as and when my time and mood allows it.

I do have a strict schedule for all of the medications that I take for chronic conditions that I stick to. But I only have such schedule because I need to follow it to alleviate my pain.

As sekio said, planning what drugs to take and when, over a weekend festival is very common. Planning what drugs to take and when during a working week is... a bit strange. They should be used to enhance your mood for whatever situation you're in at any given time. They shouldn't form part of daily life... 'Oh shit it's Wednesday and I forgot to take my meth this morning' ... just a bit strange.

I just don't get why you'd schedule recreational drug use.

 

[AlphaMethylPhenyl]

There is such a thing as being addicted to altered states in general. Just because you aren't developing a physical dependency on drugs doesn't mean you're not building a mental one too.

Spot on. Escapism itself can certainly be addicting, not to mention the drugs you listed of course all activate the mesolimbocortical reward pathway.

 

[QUARE]

If you are not addicted to a specific substance you are addicted to drug in general, and taking different drug each day wont keep you away from tolerance. If you take drug regularly your brain will adapt to your use. Also, even if you follow your schedule, you will likely say... it doesnt matter if a take more today... it wont happen again. Drugs are addictive and craving is real.

 

[Turk@GG]

It's called poly-drug abuse, OP....looks like you are just addicted to being high and it really doesnt matter the substance

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polysubstance_dependence#/search

 

[granddeception2]

Stupid idea.

 

[_DankOpiAmp_]

You would probably stop being satisfied with the speed dose and it would climb, then you would up the etizolam to even it out. You could safely add some psychs and do weed constantly. The lack of variety in the drugs will make what I described more likely. If it was a 2-4 week cycle and you included psychedelics and dissociatives, perhaps with a few more breaks it may work better.

You are not the first to conceive of such a drug cycling idea. The problem is that your life would essentially revolve around drugs that you become gradually tolerant too over time.

 

[TimmytheRubJubman]

I think cycling drugs would be a good idea, but using a different drug everyday would be way to fast. And certainly not using drugs this much, what if you have to do something one day and can't use the drugs, then you feel skimped on the drugs, and get off schedule, or what if you aren't in the mood for a drug.

 

[black53]

Which definition of addiction are you using?

If it's 'if I just stop I'll get WDs and potentially die' I seriously doubt it... weed and amphetamines can't do it, etizolam can but with 2mgs per week it's very unlikely, ghb can to but again once per week isn't enough (but just fyi .... 6ml of ghb means nothing.. ghb is measured in grams). This all assumes that you stick to the listed frequencies and doses. If you start to increase them bad things are more likely. Not really sure about amphetamines, but I'd try to keep the etizolam as low as you can and 2, maybe 3 days per week at most. I'm fine with about 1 dose of ghb per day on most days of the week, but some people aren't.

 

[ambiviolence]

You'd still be a drug addict. You'd be psychologically addicted to changing your perception. Just because its with different drugs your still using something habitually.

Which definition of addiction are you using?

If it's 'if I just stop I'll get WDs and potentially die' I seriously doubt it... weed and amphetamines can't do it, etizolam can but with 2mgs per week it's very unlikely, ghb can to but again once per week isn't enough (but just fyi .... 6ml of ghb means nothing.. ghb is measured in grams). This all assumes that you stick to the listed frequencies and doses. If you start to increase them bad things are more likely. Not really sure about amphetamines, but I'd try to keep the etizolam as low as you can and 2, maybe 3 days per week at most. I'm fine with about 1 dose of ghb per day on most days of the week, but some people aren't.

with GHB use daily you dont get any sort of physical dependence? I was using it multiple times a day to try and combat the rebound anxiety and got terribly psychologically and physically dependent.

I suppose it was a supplement to begin with so regular use was at one time not unusual. Do you take it for sleep?

 

[ComfortablyNumb95]

IMHO the best idea would be to smoke weed whenever you want and use a different "harder" drug once a week.

 

[Gon Farufa]

Thank you all for your kind replies.

Ok, tried it and made a mess of it after 4 days (no exact information available from this point on).

Original reason was to have always some nice to do everyday.

it failed.

Just think I want a drug which doesn't exit yet:
- no healthprobs
- very nice euforia
- can be taken daily
- no hangover
- instant recovery antidote available

If anyone ever find something like it, let me know. I'll do the same.

Bye for now, keep up the good work!

Gonfarufa

 

[clubcard]

Quetiapine kills dopamine-genrated euphoria. I was caning 100s of mgs of pyrovalerone analogues and all I noticed was slight increase in BP while all around said thy were soaring.