Opioids Alternate Methods to Smoking Fentanyl Gel?

[oxyCoded]

Hello everybody.

First-time member, long-time reader on google's cached pages.

My site searches failed to yield a good answer to my question so perhaps someone more adept could point me in the right direction.

There are plenty of posts regarding smoking fentanyl but I am looking for the best alternative to doing so.

A little background: chronic-pain sufferer who has taken nearly every kind of pill, moved on to fentanyl patches a little more than a year ago. This month I found myself with the Watson gel patch (the non-matrix kind with actual gel inside a pouch. Previously I had just been taking mylan/sandoz matrix buccally before) and upon actually wearing the patch this time round, felt the effect much less than the buccal method (obviously), which is when I tried smoking the vapors from the gel.

I don't feel much, if anything, via smoking. I tried just cheeking it but perhaps it was too small because I didn't feel that either. I have tried up to a pea-sized glob of the gel but don't particularly want to push it. So, are you guys aware of any alternate methods for introducing fentanyl gel efficiently?

 

[Cane2theLeft]

The transdermal bioavailability is 92% whereas its only 50% for buccal so that ROA is actually substantially less efficient, it just gets into your system faster so the onset is more pronounced and you think its stronger.

The nasal route is very efficient as well (89% BA) but I would absolutely not recommend trying to snort fentanyl gel. Given its potency and therapeutic index (small window between effective dose and lethal dose) its just not worth the risk.

It sounds like your tolerance is just going up so its not a problem with the route you're using. When you use opioids at appropriate therapeutic doses, tolerance increases VERY slowly. On the other hand, using recreational doses will cause it to increase rapidly. Changing ROA's isn't going to stop this or slow it down.

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[oxyCoded]

Thanks for your reply & welcome Cane2theLeft. Couple more questions if you can spare the time:

1. What's your opinion on the idea of a intranasal spray (oxymetazoline HCl) mixed with fent that's been tossed around? I assume such a thing would still be reasonably to highly dangerous since there is no foreseeable way of dosing when it comes to the potency of the gel. Or at least none I've heard of.

2. Would the bioavailability of smoking be similar to that of transdermal, or buccal?

3. Perhaps most importantly, have you heard of anyone figuring out a general formula to calculate tolerance? I know there must be near unlimited factors considering a persons biology, length of exposure, ect.. but who knows-- I'm no expert, after all. I ask as someone who was inundated with opiates of all sorts the first time around and had to start all over; going through both physical pain and the even worse pain from withdrawals was extremely unpleasant. Been afraid to ask the doc to increase meds because of this unknown factor.

 

[Cane2theLeft]

1.) Unless you REALLY know what you're doing and can make sure beyond ANY doubt that the fentanyl is perfectly evenly distributed in the spray and your metered doses are precise, I wouldn't even consider attempting it. When a being off by a third of a single mg or so can KILL YOU, I'd say trying to slightly improve your high isn't worth it.

2.) I have no idea what the BA of inhaled fentanyl is. Its probably not common enough that there are official figures out there.

3.) Are you asking about an objective scale? I've never seen that. if you know what effects a dose of one opioid produces, you can easily extrapolate a pretty solid idea of what effects doses of other opioids would produce.

 

[mrflowers00]

put the gel on a piece of tin foil and grab a bic pen and take out the pen so you have a plastic tube then heat underneath the gel under the tin foil and it will roll down the tin foil smoking just hit the smoke though the bic tube and your all jesus

 

[oxyCoded]

1.) Unless you REALLY know what you're doing and can make sure beyond ANY doubt that the fentanyl is perfectly evenly distributed in the spray and your metered doses are precise, I wouldn't even consider attempting it. When a being off by a third of a single mg or so can KILL YOU, I'd say trying to slightly improve your high isn't worth it.

2.) I have no idea what the BA of inhaled fentanyl is. Its probably not common enough that there are official figures out there.

3.) Are you asking about an objective scale? I've never seen that. if you know what effects a dose of one opioid produces, you can easily extrapolate a pretty solid idea of what effects doses of other opioids would produce.

I have read about the necessity for precision concerning the spray. I was only asking out of curiosity, not of experimentation (yet). Would need much more knowledge on the process.

And yes, an objective scale is precisely what I was asking for. Still, if you can extrapolate from one opioid to the next, how would you go about doing that? Any knowledge from experience would be helpful. Thanks.