Alright, forget the osta cycle

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infantannihilator

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Since there isn't much known and I can't seem to find info anywhere on what ancillaries to run (its either run nothing or run $500 worth of test boosters), Im just gonna go all out, heres what I got planned

1-12 1000mg test e 2x/w monday morning/wednesday night
1-6 50mg dbol ED
7-12 100mg tren ace EOD
9-14 80mg anavar ED
1-14 500iu HCG 2x/w tuesday morning/thurs night
1-14 8iu HGH ED
1-14 25mg mk-2866 ED
1-14 20mg gw501501 ED
1-14 12.5 aromasin EOD (will increase if necessary)

pct:
15-18 40/40/20/20 nolva
15-18 50/50/25/25 clomid

I'll also be running 100mcg of cjc 1293 and 100mcg of ghrp-6 3x daily (subq), along with 100mcg of igf1-lr3 taken IM post workout only. I heard about taking the lr3 bilaterally but I don't want to waste pins, and it seems unecessary to take on days off, don't wanna grow my intestines you know?

Looking to put on about 40lbs of lean body mass
 
I am just going to come out and say it man 40lbs not going to happen, even if you have world class genes. It is not what and how much you take mate but rather how much your willing to invest in time, blood , sweat and tears to get there. I have been training seriously since I was in middle school ( 13yrs old ) and let me tell you a gain of a solid 12lbs is hard to get and keep. You might blow up 20lbs on a long and heavy cycle but then loose most of it ( as water and fat ) and then hang on to only a few pounds of gained muscle.

Let me ask you another question what are your stats height weight, body fat, training experience ect ect. I am not trying to be a dick I am just trying to A.save you a shit load of money and B. Give you the best advice that is going to get you the best gains. This game is not a let me throw every thing I have in the med cabinet at it and run type game. It is more of the let me build a solid base and keep the momentum as I go up hill kinna game. So sorry if I sound a dick, but I am just talking pure and simple fact mate. Fire me your stats, and a goal that is closer to achieving and myself and the rest of the cats on the forum will chime in with all the advise you can handle.
 
in b4 OP dies.



Seriously. take it slow, your first go your receptors are going to love all the Test E you have in your body. take it slow with a first cycle. 500 to 700mcg of Test E every 3 days, for 12 weeks. Then PCT or cruise down to 200mcg of test a week until another blast where you can load with Dbol, or Tren.
 
Do yourself a favor and do a full PCT as well don't go to a blast and cruise system right away I ran 1-2 cycles a year for years before I went to blast and cruise. There is a real simple first cycle laid out in the "Your First Cycle" sticky, follow it, Guido laid out a really simple system that will allow you to set up your first few cycles around it. After you have a few under your belt you can start thinking about Peptides, and more then one injectable and one oral compound in a single cycle. If you run a cycle with all of that listed above you wont know what gave you the results and what just did not work for you. So yeah stick to a really serious diet and training program with a test or test and d-bol ( first 4-6 weeks) cycle. If you are dedicated to your program you will blow up.
 
I live by that mantra mate, military drives that into you as well, and when you have men under you you try to keep things simple or people die. That and you learn to take advise from how ever is qualified despite age, rank ect ect.

Though My upcoming blast is not simple by any means I have built to complicated lol. If you don't mind me asking, how long have you been using AAS?
 
infantannihilator said:
Since there isn't much known and I can't seem to find info anywhere on what ancillaries to run (its either run nothing or run $500 worth of test boosters), Im just gonna go all out, heres what I got planned

1-12 1000mg test e 2x/w monday morning/wednesday night
1-6 50mg dbol ED
7-12 100mg tren ace EOD
9-14 80mg anavar ED
1-14 500iu HCG 2x/w tuesday morning/thurs night
1-14 8iu HGH ED
1-14 25mg mk-2866 ED
1-14 20mg gw501501 ED
1-14 12.5 aromasin EOD (will increase if necessary)

pct:
15-18 40/40/20/20 nolva
15-18 50/50/25/25 clomid

I'll also be running 100mcg of cjc 1293 and 100mcg of ghrp-6 3x daily (subq), along with 100mcg of igf1-lr3 taken IM post workout only. I heard about taking the lr3 bilaterally but I don't want to waste pins, and it seems unecessary to take on days off, don't wanna grow my intestines you know?

Looking to put on about 40lbs of lean body mass
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This cycle is bad and you should feel bad.

What are your stats?

Age?

How long you been working out?

Any steroid experience?
 
infantannihilator said:
Since there isn't much known and I can't seem to find info anywhere on what ancillaries to run (its either run nothing or run $500 worth of test boosters), Im just gonna go all out, heres what I got planned

1-12 1000mg test e 2x/w monday morning/wednesday night
1-6 50mg dbol ED
7-12 100mg tren ace EOD
9-14 80mg anavar ED
1-14 500iu HCG 2x/w tuesday morning/thurs night
1-14 8iu HGH ED
1-14 25mg mk-2866 ED
1-14 20mg gw501501 ED
1-14 12.5 aromasin EOD (will increase if necessary)

pct:
15-18 40/40/20/20 nolva
15-18 50/50/25/25 clomid

I'll also be running 100mcg of cjc 1293 and 100mcg of ghrp-6 3x daily (subq), along with 100mcg of igf1-lr3 taken IM post workout only. I heard about taking the lr3 bilaterally but I don't want to waste pins, and it seems unecessary to take on days off, don't wanna grow my intestines you know?

Looking to put on about 40lbs of lean body mass
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Not sure if serious..???
 
^No Idea brother, he is also convinced he can put on 40lbs in 14 weeks. Plus the idea that taking The LR3 only on work out days he will prevent Organ growth specifically the intestines. He must have goggled a random ass list of compounds and figured that more is better and that the shotgun approach will be the best way to go about things. Every one has tried to talk some sense, if he goes through with this he is going to be horribly screwed up at the conclusion of this run. Not to mention broke. Hell a basic test only cycle and the rest of the money spent on food would be better then this cluster fuck. he went from running a single SARM to running the entire AAS catalog.
 
Neoprimitive said:
^No Idea brother, he is also convinced he can put on 40lbs in 14 weeks. Plus the idea that taking The LR3 only on work out days he will prevent Organ growth specifically the intestines. He must have goggled a random ass list of compounds and figured that more is better and that the shotgun approach will be the best way to go about things. Every one has tried to talk some sense, if he goes through with this he is going to be horribly screwed up at the conclusion of this run. Not to mention broke. Hell a basic test only cycle and the rest of the money spent on food would be better then this cluster fuck. he went from running a single SARM to running the entire AAS catalog.
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From how I understand it jumping on high doses as a beginner just doesn't cut it as far as gains are concerned as opposed to side effects: It depends on how much AR are up-regulated through prolonged high dose usage (which won't apply to a newbie) If using gear less than a year (or longer) there is no way AR will have up-regulated enough to benefit from an unnecessary high dosing protocol... 1.5g is an absolute max dose for gains for AR re-saturation... All you're gonna get is more side effects.. If you've been on gear a while and using hGH you could run more, but running over 1.5g up to 4g only really benefits a veteran user with extreme goals... IMO...

Still not sure if OP is serious..??
 
Curious as to whether OP was hoping to hear what he wanted, not what he didn't want to believe...
 
GF you are right mate. Extreme dosages are really only worth it if you are a pro athlete, or a true veteran with a decade or so under your belt. Jumping on shit like that right out of the box is just asinine.

You know speedy I was thinking the same thing. I a lot of people come expecting to hear that they are right and or it is ok to do any crazy ass thing you want. They believe that because we are using the compounds that we are just irresponsible, that or they have too little respect for the compounds.
 
Guy's I was joking. I'm sorry, I feel bad now.

I am going to start taking mod GRF and ghrp-6 at 1mg/kg doses 3x per day though. Will start with a bedtime dose at half that to gauge how I react, and go from there. There is a ton of literature on peptide use if you know where to look.

And I'm choosing to stay away from the SARMs based on further research.
 
Yeah makes sense Neoprimitive.

infantannihilator, SARMS are for pussies, are useless, and have been shown to cause shutdown after a while - anything androgenic will do that IMHO.

Do you plan on still using steroids or just those peps?
 
MrSpeedyG said:
Yeah makes sense Neoprimitive.

infantannihilator, SARMS are for pussies, are useless, and have been shown to cause shutdown after a while - anything androgenic will do that IMHO.

Do you plan on still using steroids or just those peps?
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Yeah, with further research I figured that they may end up shutting me down - some people report nothing, some people get messed up and I realized if I'm going to take the precautions and formulate a PCT, I might as well just do a test cycle.

I'm just going to try out the pep's mod GRF and ghrp-6. Saturation doses in research literature are noted as 1mg/kg or 100mcg, so I'm going to start at .5mg/kg and work up to 1mg/kg. Will start with a bedtime dose, then work in a morning dose, and then a midday/post workout dose. These have benefits that are far more reaching than simply muscle growth. I don't assume it will make me huge or anything, but it will be the little boost I am looking for and they're virtually side free until you get into above saturation doses at more than 3x per day. GH bleed can become an issue but that's only been shown when dosing 6-7x a day at > 2mg/kg.. because the pulses are pretty much back to back and your brain goes into overdrive, no bueno.

Here's a nifty graph of GH release over time comparing 100mcg GRF/GHRP vs CJC1295 vs 7.5iu HGH

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Further reading on IGF-1 shows that systemic IGF1 has no effect on hypertrophy, studies on mice with the gene for IGF synthesis removed from the liver (so that they have virtually no systemic IGF) shows no effect on the ability to gain mass/strength. Its IGF1 created from within the muscle cells we want - furthermore excessive systemic IGF1 (eg exogenously injected) inhibits the MGF proliferation process, meaning, you actually hurt your gains. Colossal waste of time.

When I am ready to do a cycle, which will probably be next year, I will do a basic test e cycle. Something like w1-3 300mg, w4-8 400mg, w9-12 500mg. Part of the reason I've chosen to go with the pep's is to get used to pinning in general so when I make that leap I'll be a little more comfortable and just have to get used to pinning IM. I'm taking things in steps and making sure I'm well informed and have everything down pat before I begin.
 
infantannihilator said:
When I am ready to do a cycle, which will probably be next year, I will do a basic test e cycle. Something like w1-3 300mg, w4-8 400mg, w9-12 500mg. Part of the reason I've chosen to go with the pep's is to get used to pinning in general so when I make that leap I'll be a little more comfortable and just have to get used to pinning IM. I'm taking things in steps and making sure I'm well informed and have everything down pat before I begin.
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Dude, run 500mg Test the whole way through week 1-12, don't do that pyramid shit. IGF-1 doesn't cause hypertrophy, rather hyperplasia so it will form new muscle cells. Hypertrophy is the splitting/enlargement of existing cells. I'm not much of an expert when it comes to peptides, but if there was one I would use it would be GHRP-6 for it's appetite stimulation... then again I find smoking a cone much more cheaper and effective IME.
 
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