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lolwhatzdrugs
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5 days max before I started to pass in and out of consciousness and talking to people who weren't there. I however never became paranoid and delusional. Not that talking to people who aren't there isn't delusional, but I am truly fucking nuts for an extended period (lasted only an hour and actually stopped.....). Had no desire to buy the since shit (a few months ago), though I did get another supposed batch another vendor and flushed it two days later because it was definitely not of similar quality and made me feel shitty and uncomfortable but not paranoid in less than 48 hours which still took a little willpower as it was still moreish. This is how I know that some people are not selling aphp. Recovery from excessive tiredness and a general joy of life (assisted with low doses of NMDA antagonists, 5-8mg of 3meopcp max daily) took about a week or two. The tiredness may have been inflated from tapering loperamide to now 4mg/daily.
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I wish that the phpBB forum system had a feature where we could "branch off" to a new thread sort of like how reddit does, except I hate reddit's 'thread' layout, if you even want to call it that.
Anyways, tamarinds seeing as how you are SoapMcTarvish incarnate and definitely a knowledgeable guy on these compounds I will take your word on that.
However don't go making assumptions on what I have done before, just because I mentioned I have the ability to use it sparingly. I have vaped upwards of 50+mg in a hit before, repeated 3+ times. And I would hold my hits in too, which eventually made my lungs feel worse in 4 days than tobacco had in 7 years. I'm not claiming to be some bad ass or anything. I may have been born at night, but I wasn't born last night.
The reason I made that comment in regards to alphaPHP was because I have heard numerous users here and elsewhere claim that because of the duration of effects, you are constantly coming back for hits more often than PVP. I know just how evil PVP can be, I would go to my car at lunch/break, drive around pull out my hidden foil, coast down a street with no people/cars in sight, pull over quick, take a couple huge hits.... stash the foil and head back into work. Luckily I am able to function when it's required, so while I felt insane, I acted normal. Drugs & work have been ebbing and flowing together for me for a couple years, just never the PVs. However some people react differently. I shared some of my PVP with my buddy who always uses methamphetamine. After just a few doses, he was trying to convince me that he could create a quartz crystal radio transmitter that worked across galaxies and his premise literally contradicted the reason quartz is used for certain applications (specific resonance.) He was convinced of this after merely reading a half of a sentence on wiki pedia. I spent 45 minutes arguinig with him about why what he was saying was scientifically incorrect, and if he would take a second to actually look up the information on it, he would know he was wrong. Woke up my fucking roommate because of it. Needless to say, I wont be giving my buddy a.k.a Thomas Fucking Edison any PVP again. He would NOT SHUT UP. I had to ask him to leave the room if he didn't stop talking.
Now I definitely do not do that anymore, simply because of safety not even legal issues. The last thing I would want is someones death, or insurance payments on my mind.... while on a PVP bender. I also have a steady benzo supply, and they actually work quite well for me with PVP. They can help me sleep when needed, or if I keep taking more of each I end up in a giant euphoric memory-loss bubble, and come back to consciousness anywhere from an hour, to 6 hours later. I'm working really hard on changing my ways, and working on filling whatever that void inside me is with something other than drugs. I may move to a new city, get a new job, it may help a lot. I've been where I am too long and its toxic to me.
@lolwhatzdrugz
I could write a 5000 page novel on the 'I'm totally going to be motivated this time when I take stims, I swear!' Some stims can definitely help get shit done, but most no. It depends on a few things though: the individual's personal psychology/motivation/fiending/etc and how much + the ROA in which you dose.
1 time oral dose of Amp, or 2FMA and I will pump you out any coded app, or song you want by the end of the day.
Put it up my nose? You can find me either masturbating, or creating playlists of music to listen to for my next snorting session.
MDPV when vaped suprisingly didn't motivate me, but it made me VERY creative (had a tiny bit of an enactogenic side to it for me) and I wrote like 3 songs before the bag was gone 30+ hours later.
PVP makes you think that's how its going to be. If you really put your mind to it, it'l happen, and it makes music much more impactful. Usually though, you'll find me masturbating, hopefully finding a partner for some real sex, creating playlists, taking care of non-fun things like bills, taxes, etc haha. I always tell myself "this next hit will be the doozy that get's me writing a new song, or working on my half-way done app' and the cycle starts over. Thats when I either pop a bunch of Klonopin and/or vicodins, and pass out within 15 minutes. Or I end up 50+ hours later, still sleepless, having eaten nothing but large glasses of whole milk and water the entire time; and just like you reality dissapears, I have conversations with fake people, except I don't even control what comes out of my mouth.
Last time I did that was about 3-4 weeks ago. Like I said I'm trying similar to you, but I have to try harder, to make some lifestyle changes. More recently, PVP gives me the same amazing effects (minus a little bit of rush cause of tolerance, its the same batch and quality) but not much paranoia. Occasionally I'll hear a possible voice outside or something, or I will be a tad bit "Careful" but the PVP days I have done here and there the past week or two, weren't bad at all, and I banged through a huge sack.
The key is getting a good 2 weeks sober, and drilling it into your brain what sober-reality is like. That what when you are spun its easier to stay composed.
I won't lie though, my most recent 1.5 day session, I got about 1 hour of sleep, hopped back on my computer at like 5 AM, and had a huge mental brake down about how bad I am fucking up my life..... and its not just the drugs. If you put me in charge of your stocks and watching your dogs consider me the best choice. But when it comes to myself, it's like if I pretend it doesnt exist it will go away... like parking tickets, radiator coolant changes, and then they snowball. Plus I'll admit, its been a bit longer than I'd like since I got laid last, and when you are going hard on PVP its the bomb. OF COURSE the day you run out and have to deal with the fiend/come-down day, I get hit up by 2 girls to hook up, and I literally deny them because I know for a fact I wont be able to get hard, or that the sex wont be enjoyable because I have no PVP left. That's some pathetic shit man.
hahaha. See I can't do NMDA antags, those give me INSTANT pvp-reality loss/psychosis for 5-8 hours, benzos don't help, nothing helps. I've made sure to not be doing those anytime soon. But to each their own!
To sum it up:
tamarinds: I know PVP is more evil, but my issue is fiendish-ness, & constantly dosing (and increasing paranoia with it). I can handle the evil urges most of the time, but I DO NOT want to be in front of the foil all day.... unless I specifically set aside a day to go hard.
This post was probably the least harm reduction I've written, but hopefully somebody somewhere reads it and flushes their shit.
Anyways, tamarinds seeing as how you are SoapMcTarvish incarnate and definitely a knowledgeable guy on these compounds I will take your word on that.
However don't go making assumptions on what I have done before, just because I mentioned I have the ability to use it sparingly. I have vaped upwards of 50+mg in a hit before, repeated 3+ times. And I would hold my hits in too, which eventually made my lungs feel worse in 4 days than tobacco had in 7 years. I'm not claiming to be some bad ass or anything. I may have been born at night, but I wasn't born last night.
The reason I made that comment in regards to alphaPHP was because I have heard numerous users here and elsewhere claim that because of the duration of effects, you are constantly coming back for hits more often than PVP. I know just how evil PVP can be, I would go to my car at lunch/break, drive around pull out my hidden foil, coast down a street with no people/cars in sight, pull over quick, take a couple huge hits.... stash the foil and head back into work. Luckily I am able to function when it's required, so while I felt insane, I acted normal. Drugs & work have been ebbing and flowing together for me for a couple years, just never the PVs. However some people react differently. I shared some of my PVP with my buddy who always uses methamphetamine. After just a few doses, he was trying to convince me that he could create a quartz crystal radio transmitter that worked across galaxies and his premise literally contradicted the reason quartz is used for certain applications (specific resonance.) He was convinced of this after merely reading a half of a sentence on wiki pedia. I spent 45 minutes arguinig with him about why what he was saying was scientifically incorrect, and if he would take a second to actually look up the information on it, he would know he was wrong. Woke up my fucking roommate because of it. Needless to say, I wont be giving my buddy a.k.a Thomas Fucking Edison any PVP again. He would NOT SHUT UP. I had to ask him to leave the room if he didn't stop talking.
Now I definitely do not do that anymore, simply because of safety not even legal issues. The last thing I would want is someones death, or insurance payments on my mind.... while on a PVP bender. I also have a steady benzo supply, and they actually work quite well for me with PVP. They can help me sleep when needed, or if I keep taking more of each I end up in a giant euphoric memory-loss bubble, and come back to consciousness anywhere from an hour, to 6 hours later. I'm working really hard on changing my ways, and working on filling whatever that void inside me is with something other than drugs. I may move to a new city, get a new job, it may help a lot. I've been where I am too long and its toxic to me.
@lolwhatzdrugz
I could write a 5000 page novel on the 'I'm totally going to be motivated this time when I take stims, I swear!' Some stims can definitely help get shit done, but most no. It depends on a few things though: the individual's personal psychology/motivation/fiending/etc and how much + the ROA in which you dose.
1 time oral dose of Amp, or 2FMA and I will pump you out any coded app, or song you want by the end of the day.
Put it up my nose? You can find me either masturbating, or creating playlists of music to listen to for my next snorting session.
MDPV when vaped suprisingly didn't motivate me, but it made me VERY creative (had a tiny bit of an enactogenic side to it for me) and I wrote like 3 songs before the bag was gone 30+ hours later.
PVP makes you think that's how its going to be. If you really put your mind to it, it'l happen, and it makes music much more impactful. Usually though, you'll find me masturbating, hopefully finding a partner for some real sex, creating playlists, taking care of non-fun things like bills, taxes, etc haha. I always tell myself "this next hit will be the doozy that get's me writing a new song, or working on my half-way done app' and the cycle starts over. Thats when I either pop a bunch of Klonopin and/or vicodins, and pass out within 15 minutes. Or I end up 50+ hours later, still sleepless, having eaten nothing but large glasses of whole milk and water the entire time; and just like you reality dissapears, I have conversations with fake people, except I don't even control what comes out of my mouth.
Last time I did that was about 3-4 weeks ago. Like I said I'm trying similar to you, but I have to try harder, to make some lifestyle changes. More recently, PVP gives me the same amazing effects (minus a little bit of rush cause of tolerance, its the same batch and quality) but not much paranoia. Occasionally I'll hear a possible voice outside or something, or I will be a tad bit "Careful" but the PVP days I have done here and there the past week or two, weren't bad at all, and I banged through a huge sack.
The key is getting a good 2 weeks sober, and drilling it into your brain what sober-reality is like. That what when you are spun its easier to stay composed.
I won't lie though, my most recent 1.5 day session, I got about 1 hour of sleep, hopped back on my computer at like 5 AM, and had a huge mental brake down about how bad I am fucking up my life..... and its not just the drugs. If you put me in charge of your stocks and watching your dogs consider me the best choice. But when it comes to myself, it's like if I pretend it doesnt exist it will go away... like parking tickets, radiator coolant changes, and then they snowball. Plus I'll admit, its been a bit longer than I'd like since I got laid last, and when you are going hard on PVP its the bomb. OF COURSE the day you run out and have to deal with the fiend/come-down day, I get hit up by 2 girls to hook up, and I literally deny them because I know for a fact I wont be able to get hard, or that the sex wont be enjoyable because I have no PVP left. That's some pathetic shit man.
hahaha. See I can't do NMDA antags, those give me INSTANT pvp-reality loss/psychosis for 5-8 hours, benzos don't help, nothing helps. I've made sure to not be doing those anytime soon. But to each their own!
To sum it up:
tamarinds: I know PVP is more evil, but my issue is fiendish-ness, & constantly dosing (and increasing paranoia with it). I can handle the evil urges most of the time, but I DO NOT want to be in front of the foil all day.... unless I specifically set aside a day to go hard.
This post was probably the least harm reduction I've written, but hopefully somebody somewhere reads it and flushes their shit.
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lolwhatzdrugs
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We do sound pretty similar, but I'm down to 4mg of loperamide and after saying "no fucking more" to a ridiculous opioid habit and quitting cigarettes (still toking an ecig) I feel I could kick crack and numerous other things at once (if I did them lol).
That was fucking funny. It's surprising people can go south so quick. I was probably never vaping more than 10mg, 20mg MAX in a hit, but I never once became delusional until 5 days/4nights up straight, which honestly with any other stimulant I WOULD NOT be fine (not completely true with ethylphenidate I made it close to that before passing out). But ethylphenidate made me feel a lot more paranoid but not to the level of actually feeling people were coming for me, just a generally uneasiness about taking out the trash at 3am but that's about it, barely noticeable but definitely still had in the back of my mind "that is a completely unfounded belief. I never got to the point of putting the slides/clips in my handgun/rifle and keeping them out just "in case," or something loony like that.
That was fucking funny. It's surprising people can go south so quick. I was probably never vaping more than 10mg, 20mg MAX in a hit, but I never once became delusional until 5 days/4nights up straight, which honestly with any other stimulant I WOULD NOT be fine (not completely true with ethylphenidate I made it close to that before passing out). But ethylphenidate made me feel a lot more paranoid but not to the level of actually feeling people were coming for me, just a generally uneasiness about taking out the trash at 3am but that's about it, barely noticeable but definitely still had in the back of my mind "that is a completely unfounded belief. I never got to the point of putting the slides/clips in my handgun/rifle and keeping them out just "in case," or something loony like that.
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^ very interesting! The PVs are literally the only stims out of probably 20 I have done/abused that even give me any paranoia at all. I could stay up on EPH or 2FMA for 5 days and still be 100% alright in that department. Very interesting! I'm glad I never let my roomate with the guns do some PVP, but that has less to do with gun and more to do with him not being all there.
Does loperaminde really work? Never been an opiate fan, just interested scientifically.
So in your opinion, which enhances music more php or pvp, and just how big is the duration difference?
Does loperaminde really work? Never been an opiate fan, just interested scientifically.
So in your opinion, which enhances music more php or pvp, and just how big is the duration difference?
lolwhatzdrugs
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pvp was sch1 before I ever tried it so I haven't a clue.
Yup loperamide works for sure.
The duration of aphp is fairly long, and it IS functional if you do 10mg and NO MORE for 3-4 hours. But then you get into "I need that next hit" and despite it's long duration are vaping it near constantly which is really unnecessary and that's when stuff goes south.
Yup loperamide works for sure.
The duration of aphp is fairly long, and it IS functional if you do 10mg and NO MORE for 3-4 hours. But then you get into "I need that next hit" and despite it's long duration are vaping it near constantly which is really unnecessary and that's when stuff goes south.
I used similar numbers of PV though I flushed a more equal ratio to my total usage than you Tamarinds. Probably flushed more in the midst of a complete paranoid desperation. It's craziness... I had 3 years with MDPV, 2 + with A-PVP and very little was enjoyed . Sheer mindcontroling compulsion. Mixing with the right helper sometimes struck gold. APHP follows the natural progression from my experience.
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So what about the white'ish PHP compared to the brown clumpy Stuff, is there kinda worth mentioning difference between those two? Just sampled the brown Goo which was decent but far less interesting than it's Parent Compound, i.e. PV (letting aside the PVP as it's just plain and simple, well, shite...) and it seems ppl prefer the white Synth, anyone around here having some 1st Hand Experience with both of 'em?
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NoArtFlav
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I find vaping is best roa. But must have benzos and some beer in the system other wise it's too jittery and paranoid .have tried crystal and white powder.if put down 3-4 hours before bed sleep comes kinda easy.
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@tamarinds did you notice a diff in fx comparing the powder and crystal?
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Well i've to admit i really do like a-PHP after trying another Batch (Tan Powder)! It's not only superior to shitty a-PVP but also even better than MDPV itself. It's more rushy, euphoric as PV/PVP, of which i had various Batches (especially the Peev). It's unfortunately super corrosive, even worse than a-PVP and best when insufflated, just as the Peev is (which is on the other hand super easy on the Nose).
THCified it's post like ^ that make keeping your "Never again, i'm done with stim's" promise Impossible to keep. Not your fault, the flubro aint helping either. I will be receiving quarter G Etiz and Half a G A-PVP which should be a good beginner binge. If it's more potent than PHP i'll be happy. I'd like to try PHP again though, it is rushy, competes with meth easily. I think a decent Rectal dose with a tiny amount smoked on top and you're GOOD.
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Hecticus, have you used MDPV or a-PVP before? How would you compare those to meth if you had to take a quick shot at a comparison?
One of the things I love about a-PVP is taking a couple big vape hits, and then throwing on my headphones and listening to some awesome tunes. Feels like the scene in Fear and Loathing where he hits the bulb and floats away. Would you say a-PHP is more rushy than PVP or MDPV? I've heard it may be a bit more serotonergic as well, any thoughts on that? Thanks.
One of the things I love about a-PVP is taking a couple big vape hits, and then throwing on my headphones and listening to some awesome tunes. Feels like the scene in Fear and Loathing where he hits the bulb and floats away. Would you say a-PHP is more rushy than PVP or MDPV? I've heard it may be a bit more serotonergic as well, any thoughts on that? Thanks.
lolwhatzdrugs
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Crazy, I hated the brown shit I had once, and the better stuff was white powder. Though I also tried a white powder that sucked.
FWIW tried a-PVP recently, and it's fairly chill and euphoric compared to a bit intense ofa feeling of aphp.
It also has a crazy delayed bellringer effect from like.... 3-4mg doses. I am curious wtf is causing that, though honestly it sounds higher pitched like nitrous. Nuts cause I was doing nitrous with it, and I heard the high pitch... and then did some apvp for the first time and it sounded like the whirl of nitrous mixed with a ball peen hammer hitting an anvil echoing off each other. Nutty.
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Got my a-PHP in the other day and didn't get a chance to give it a shot until today. I would like to give a shout out to my block's postal worker, without you none of this would be possible 
Almost my entire purchase came as one giant rock. Never seen a rock that big before. Very light (I mean very very) orangish/pinkish colored crystal rocks. I have never seen a PVP batch with that tint before, but it resembled a-PVP in all other physical regards besides tint/shade. I will base a lot of my comparisons on a-PVP which I have the most experience with and which is one of my favorite chemicals. I've gandered with 3-4 doses so far today ~15-20, maybe a tad bit less seems about 1 dose for me. Although when my actual GOOD scale gets back to my from a friend I can give a more accurate dose amount.
These are just my basic first impressions thus far after allergy testing the product of course:
-Chemically is melts and vapes better than a-PVP and much better than the MDPV I have tried. However it takes about double the time for anything to start vaporizing and therefore taking big sized hits means sucking in almost twice as long as you are used to.
-Tastes extremely similar to a-PVP, nearly identical. Melts similar, although doesn't trail quite as nicely, and personally in this one and only instance I have found the PV chems to work much better with foil for vaping.
-Vapor is extremely more harsh than anything else I have ever vaped. Usually after a PVP stint lasting 2-3 days my lungs start to ache a bit and I can feel the abuse they are taking. This stuff produced that same effect after 4 hits. By the end of the day when I was ready to go to bed my lungs felt blacker than Wesley Snipes after a vacation to the Bahamas.
-Hunger is DECREASED more than with both a-PVP and MDPV but once you set the drug down, hunger comes back much quicker in comparison. Along with that, stomach discomfort seems increased a bit compared to the others. Stomach discomfort subsides slowly, and is a bit annoying to say the least. Usually any discomfort I get from ``
-Not much of a "rush" (for me at least), and any rush I did manage to capture was considerably less than with a-PVP. Comparable [or less than] an MDPV rush.
-Takes a tad bit longer than a-PVP to really start to set in, but quicker than MDPV. It took about 3 minutes for a "good" high to be noticeable, and about 7-8 for it to seems strong and peak-like.
-Definitely less potent per MG. Stimulation-wise I would say 10mg a-PVP == ~15+mg a-PHP
-Stimulating but not as tweaky a-PVP, especially at first. Keep in mind that some of us prefer the tweaky kind of stimulation. I didn't buy this stuff to study or work on it. I bought it for fun. After about 10 minutes when it's in full effect it certainly gets more tweaky, but still doesn't quite top out as high as a-PVP does in that regard.
-More head-high thrown in than a-PVP.
-A bit less dry mouth than with a-PVP.
-I felt it was heavier on my heart than the other two PV's. Take that as you will however, I have been sober (besides a beer here and there) for about 15 days and I could be physically bias at the moment.
-Sex drive mildly increased, less than both PVP and MDPV. I would place it similar to 2-FMA, maybe even a bit less. Although I will note that so far all PxP sex drive is much more carnal and animalistic than the sex drive I get from amphetamines or even cathinones.
-Creativity boost seems the same as a-PVP, and less than MDPV. MDPV definitely gets my musical writing juices flowing considerably stronger than its non-MD bridged counter parts.
-Anxiety per dose equal to a-PVP
-Paranoia per dose the same as a-PVP. Get to paranoid levels with fewer doses (keeping in mind I'm only 3-4 deep). Will report on benzo's and their effect later, I wanted to try aPHP vanilla first.
-Euphoria definitely less than a-PVP, even MDPV I would say at the moment. Still euphoric I guess, but its much more subtle than I would have hoped.
-Comedown was less crappy than a-PVP, and when I was away from the drug for 5+ hours with some friends jamming some music, I didn't become as irritable or fiendish as I did with a-PVP in the same situation. THAT SAID: it still has a shitty fucking comedown. Please understand this, it has a crappy come down, just not quite as crappy as PVP.
I'll report one more time probably in a day or so once I got a better feel for the chem. I wanted to write a first impression post because first impressions (especially after a sobriety period) can always end up being deceiving and I wanted you guys to see any differences between the two write-ups as well as just have the information at hand to reference.
Update:
After a half a days worth of messing with this chem (vaping only) nothing I said above has really changed. As far as a "retrospective" thus far I would say.... [keeping in mind that its definitely possible I had a crap batch]
I can see why this would be considered the first go-to as an a-PVP replacement, and I can definitely see how a few people could prefer it over the other PVs, or say it has less come down. It's similar to a-PVP in a lot of respects, but doesn't have the same amount euphoria or rush. The "good" effects don't last as long as PV, and the residual seems the same. I personally found it actually a bit more paranoia inducing, although getting sleep and dealing with the comedown are a bit easier if you actually have the intention of not dosing again. a-PVP definitely has more of a "fuck it let's break shit!" mentality than this however, which I guess is a good thing?
I much prefer a-PVP, but I would settle for this if need be I guess. I don't plan on getting anymore in the future, and remember to treat your lungs well, this stuff will make them ache!
Peace.
Almost my entire purchase came as one giant rock. Never seen a rock that big before. Very light (I mean very very) orangish/pinkish colored crystal rocks. I have never seen a PVP batch with that tint before, but it resembled a-PVP in all other physical regards besides tint/shade. I will base a lot of my comparisons on a-PVP which I have the most experience with and which is one of my favorite chemicals. I've gandered with 3-4 doses so far today ~15-20, maybe a tad bit less seems about 1 dose for me. Although when my actual GOOD scale gets back to my from a friend I can give a more accurate dose amount.
These are just my basic first impressions thus far after allergy testing the product of course:
-Chemically is melts and vapes better than a-PVP and much better than the MDPV I have tried. However it takes about double the time for anything to start vaporizing and therefore taking big sized hits means sucking in almost twice as long as you are used to.
-Tastes extremely similar to a-PVP, nearly identical. Melts similar, although doesn't trail quite as nicely, and personally in this one and only instance I have found the PV chems to work much better with foil for vaping.
-Vapor is extremely more harsh than anything else I have ever vaped. Usually after a PVP stint lasting 2-3 days my lungs start to ache a bit and I can feel the abuse they are taking. This stuff produced that same effect after 4 hits. By the end of the day when I was ready to go to bed my lungs felt blacker than Wesley Snipes after a vacation to the Bahamas.
-Hunger is DECREASED more than with both a-PVP and MDPV but once you set the drug down, hunger comes back much quicker in comparison. Along with that, stomach discomfort seems increased a bit compared to the others. Stomach discomfort subsides slowly, and is a bit annoying to say the least. Usually any discomfort I get from ``
-Not much of a "rush" (for me at least), and any rush I did manage to capture was considerably less than with a-PVP. Comparable [or less than] an MDPV rush.
-Takes a tad bit longer than a-PVP to really start to set in, but quicker than MDPV. It took about 3 minutes for a "good" high to be noticeable, and about 7-8 for it to seems strong and peak-like.
-Definitely less potent per MG. Stimulation-wise I would say 10mg a-PVP == ~15+mg a-PHP
-Stimulating but not as tweaky a-PVP, especially at first. Keep in mind that some of us prefer the tweaky kind of stimulation. I didn't buy this stuff to study or work on it. I bought it for fun. After about 10 minutes when it's in full effect it certainly gets more tweaky, but still doesn't quite top out as high as a-PVP does in that regard.
-More head-high thrown in than a-PVP.
-A bit less dry mouth than with a-PVP.
-I felt it was heavier on my heart than the other two PV's. Take that as you will however, I have been sober (besides a beer here and there) for about 15 days and I could be physically bias at the moment.
-Sex drive mildly increased, less than both PVP and MDPV. I would place it similar to 2-FMA, maybe even a bit less. Although I will note that so far all PxP sex drive is much more carnal and animalistic than the sex drive I get from amphetamines or even cathinones.
-Creativity boost seems the same as a-PVP, and less than MDPV. MDPV definitely gets my musical writing juices flowing considerably stronger than its non-MD bridged counter parts.
-Anxiety per dose equal to a-PVP
-Paranoia per dose the same as a-PVP. Get to paranoid levels with fewer doses (keeping in mind I'm only 3-4 deep). Will report on benzo's and their effect later, I wanted to try aPHP vanilla first.
-Euphoria definitely less than a-PVP, even MDPV I would say at the moment. Still euphoric I guess, but its much more subtle than I would have hoped.
-Comedown was less crappy than a-PVP, and when I was away from the drug for 5+ hours with some friends jamming some music, I didn't become as irritable or fiendish as I did with a-PVP in the same situation. THAT SAID: it still has a shitty fucking comedown. Please understand this, it has a crappy come down, just not quite as crappy as PVP.
I'll report one more time probably in a day or so once I got a better feel for the chem. I wanted to write a first impression post because first impressions (especially after a sobriety period) can always end up being deceiving and I wanted you guys to see any differences between the two write-ups as well as just have the information at hand to reference.
Update:
After a half a days worth of messing with this chem (vaping only) nothing I said above has really changed. As far as a "retrospective" thus far I would say.... [keeping in mind that its definitely possible I had a crap batch]
I can see why this would be considered the first go-to as an a-PVP replacement, and I can definitely see how a few people could prefer it over the other PVs, or say it has less come down. It's similar to a-PVP in a lot of respects, but doesn't have the same amount euphoria or rush. The "good" effects don't last as long as PV, and the residual seems the same. I personally found it actually a bit more paranoia inducing, although getting sleep and dealing with the comedown are a bit easier if you actually have the intention of not dosing again. a-PVP definitely has more of a "fuck it let's break shit!" mentality than this however, which I guess is a good thing?
I much prefer a-PVP, but I would settle for this if need be I guess. I don't plan on getting anymore in the future, and remember to treat your lungs well, this stuff will make them ache!
Peace.
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lolwhatzdrugs
Bluelighter
The only aphp I've gotten in a chunk like that was not good.
cousinskeeter
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what did it look like? what did it taste like? how did it burn when you vaped it, & what was the residue like that it produced from vaping?
lolwhatzdrugs
Bluelighter
Now you're asking more than I remember, but I threw it away rather quickly. The only good stuff was in the form of a white crystally powder.