All US poppy seeds pre-rinsed now?

[Dr.Strange.Love]

So this is another question regarding Poppy seed tea, but this is coming from a very experienced user. I've been using PST regularly for over 3 years now, and its come to the point where I am completely unable to find a single source for seeds. I had about 3 different sources ranging from a huge supermarket chain to a small import store, and they have all switched to rinsed seeds which get me no where. Have other people experienced this? Is it game over for my long term PST habit?

The first source switched in about March 2007, and the last two switched about 3 months ago.

 

[klowns]

yeah we and i think every other poppy seed junkie experienced the exact same thing as you. shit we were ordering 25 pound cases several times a week fucking amazing. then BAM. ten pounds and nothing. i can only find ONE brand that still works, and it costs 3-7 bucks for a 2.5 ounce bottle. its fucking fucked man. all bulk sources have gone bad. but there HAS to be at least ONE fuckign source left. i just dont know where it is. i loved those bulk ones, like 2 bucks a pound. i think its because we are now mainly getting seeds from countries that drill the pods rather than scoring and smashing them to get the seeds out.........i dunno just my theory

 

[melange]

guess its time to cut the bullshit and goto pods?

 

[klowns]

you are right.but............well actualy pods prett much suck balls compared to seeds. i mean no offense cause im a podhead too and i DO use them, becasue of all that bullshit, so your right...................however. seeds got me consistently higher at the same dose for months on end than poppies EVER could. with poppies im constantly upping my dose. most of the younins round here have never had that real experience with poppy seeds. if you can still find a good batch somewhere, drink some grapefruit juice before hand, take 2 ounces up to 2 pounds (i use one pound a day when i used to get tehm) and you will be like "holy fuck why did i EVER pay for oxy or anything else, when i feel like im on 2 or 3 80s right now for 3 bucks?!??!!??!??!"
i loved the seed high. for some reason it was different than pods.
but your right. i cant afford to fuck around anymore. pods it iss.

 

[kong]

99cents a pound locally, takes about 2 pounds to get real high though. They look at me like a crazy loon for buying so many poppy seeds. Doesn't really make sense though. There 99 cents a pound, anyone would buy a couple *shrugs*

 

[mukant666]

no not yet. Just keep checking around they're still out there. But ya I've noticed that there are less stores selling them now and some that do sell them wash them. Very little still have the good seeds.

 

[Druggist]

Perhaps someone along the line has discovered that they can get high from what they sell on a daily basis. Maybe the owner of the company that imports them, or the distributers, maybe even on the retail level the shop owners might wash their seeds and make mad amounts of tea.
Wouldn't be good for business though, only people buying them to play seeds would want em, and who needs multiple pounds of seeds for that?

 

[noone1]

Thankfully no, I'm crossing my fingers hoping they don't go bad anytime soon. I actually have nightmares about this stuff; the store decides not to sell them or raises the price, limites quantities, etc. Of course it could be that I use 5 pounds of seeds at a time or i'm a real light weight and haven't noticed the rinsing.

I'm pretty addicted to this stuff though...

Not to disclose too much, but I get my seeds from a bulk bin and have been for the last 4-5 years while I ocassionally notice different levels of potency in the seeds I have never noticed nothing. Well except when I was making the seeds wrong (leaving them soak for hours) and my tolerance was growing... I half wonder if this "shortage" isn't just newbies experiencing tolerance for the first time, i've noticed from other posts around here that a lot of people think you can keep doing a drug and not gain any tolerance.

 

[rachamim]

All commercial seed sources pressure wash their seeds as a matter of trade. Most people use them for licit purposes, as in culinary and having their seeds produce a score close to cutoff for a urine anaysis is not exactly a god selling point.

Now, seeds contain absolutely no alkaloids whatsoever. They CAN have a slight residua coating IF they have been harvested from technically ripe and unincised pods.

So, you can run itno problems If you get seeds that have been washed, and/or if you r seeds just did not obtain that residual coating.


A thing to consider is just how poppy seeds are treated after harvesting. Anyone who has ever examined a dried pod will notice a bcinnamon colored powder inside the pod, along with the seeds. that powder is dried aklaoidal material (for intensive purposes, opium). To net the seeds commerical harvsters use gradientscreens to separate that powder from seeds.

In the end it is a real crap shoot on whether or not you will get ANY kind of expereince from seeds (excluding non-opiatenaive people who basically never get an effect). It is far better to take the sure route, just buy pods.

 

[phr]

All commercial seed sources pressure wash their seeds as a matter of trade. Most people use them for licit purposes, as in culinary and having their seeds produce a score close to cutoff for a urine anaysis is not exactly a god selling point.

Yeah, most wash their seeds. Especially the well known national brands such as McCormick. Regardless, the national brands are expensive as fuck!

As for testing positive, you could most certainly test positive even after eating a 3 or so poppy seed bagels. If you're going to be drug tested, either for employment or by parole/probation, do not fuck with poppy seed products.

 

[rachamim]

Yeah but Phrozen, in the US the cutoff was revised about 3 years ago to compensate for that effect. It is now a massively high cutoff with only one recorded case of anyone ingesting seeds and shooting the number (2000). Eating seeds will not give anyone any trouble.

If it does, say the person was an anamoly who punted past that cutoff, all they have to do is tell the examiner who will then test specifically for metabolites. By examining them they can then rule seeds out, or count them in and save your job as the case maybe.

 

[phr]

This was on MythBusters within the past few years. I believe they used a standard 5 panel test. Poppy seed bagels, and poppy seed cake did set it off. Also, varying seed sources may offset the standard, as some seeds have not been washed!

If it does, say the person was an anamoly who punted past that cutoff, all they have to do is tell the examiner who will then test specifically for metabolites. By examining them they can then rule seeds out, or count them in and save your job as the case maybe.

You're right, it could probably be ruled out. But I'm willing to bet that actually ruling it out would be an extreme case. Most would just lose their job or parole/probation. Why risk it and depend on someone ruling it out anyway?

 

[rachamim]

I cannot say for probation or parole, but the Labor Dept. in America did instruct technicians and compliance officers to adjust criteria. Of course Myth Busters was right because you can get a positive, if the seeds were from a tech. ripe pod that was unicnised at time of harvest,etc. however, it is the limit that becomes the problem. I believe the old limit was 300. they adjusted it way up to 2000 so you see they made it so that it is nearly impossible to hit with a positive for seeds,etc.

For sure though, better safe than sorry. If I was on parole I would not eat seeds. Woirk though? Well, as an educated person who knows my rights, and would itch for a lwsuit on the issue, I probably would. Others however need to weigh the pros and cons throughly.

 

[BodhiSvaha33]

OK... so does anyone know FOR CERTAIN that commercial poppy seeds are washed? I have heard conflicting reports -- I spoke to one person who used to work in a poppy seed harvesting operation, and he swore that they never washed the seeds, indeed that it was unfeasible to wash seeds because they absorb water too readily and go bad. His contention was that the method of harvesting was the issue, that "inactive" seeds were simply harvested in a way that did not put them in contact with the latex.

Obviously this is a purely academic question, because whatever the reason, I agree with the general consensus that it is virtually impossible now to buy poppy seeds that have any appreciable level of morphine on them.

 

[klowns]

fuck.
and pods arent predictable IN ANY SENSE either dude.
i also believe that no one washes seeds. i believe that it is due to manner of harvest and country of origion. like try the seeds from your good pods. they dont fuckign work. obviously washing isnt the problem....................

 

[phr]

^
Dude, we just told you that most commercial seeds in the US are washed. A couple years ago I tried McCormick and a different popular brand, besides getting assraped on the price, I didn't catch any type of buzz. The seeds were most certainly washed. They were almost completely black. The only time that PST worked for me was when I bought a shitload of cheap seeds from an Indian ethnic store. Those seeds where grayish and covered with a powdery residue. Those worked well.

 

[rachamim]

Most seeds are washed. ALL commercial producers, that is large scale producers DO. Seeds do not absorb an appreciable amount of water.

I remember a recent thread where a poster claimed that seeds grow by so maby times when left in water. First, it is not true, second if that was the way that seeds are washed it might be soemthing to talk about just for conversation. Pressure washing is a rinse, picture a carwash on much smaller scale.

As for pods not being predicatble, as long as they are Somniferum and not Norman or Pze, they DO have at least 4% morphine (the average being roughly 10). As far as the chances of getting Norman or Pze, your chances are nil as they are gentically trademarked and are of great value since their main constituienbt is thebaine, which is badly needed at the greater than .10etc. concerntrations that all other Somniferum pods provide.

 

[gtir]

Where To Buy?

I have gone to sooo many grocery stores and small african, mexican, indian stores and cannot find any cheap bulk sources for seeds. They cost around 7$ for like 2 oz's everywhere?

Any recommendations? A certain grocery store??

Thanks!

 

[BodhiSvaha33]

My recommendation is don't bother, if there are any potent seeds still available in the US then they are hidden better than Jimmy Hoffa. I have tried numerous brands & bulk sources, have spoken with other BL'ers through PMs that have tried even more, and the consensus is that poppy seeds available on US store shelves or online are now so weak as to be essentially useless.

Morphine is a fantastic drug, but poppy seeds aren't the way to get it. Try poppy pods -- and please don't ask me where to get those, you can't throw a rock without hitting a pod supplier, and if you really can't find one then you should stay away from drugs in general!

 

['medicine cabinet']

oh well, looks like you might have to move up the ladder to codiene lol....just playing tho....

it seems like the pods are pretty easy to get too, so why not just use the pods and have a stronger cup o tea? i think my tolerance is too high for pod tea, id like to try it tho...