Alcoholism Thread V. ti martwonies

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I would give yourself some more time. In the past I've been able to cut out the excessive but then came back to the daily use. However I think my problem is I just stopped caring. When I do start drinking again I'm going to be really careful to not let it get back to where it was.
 
A lot of people on here have thoughts about returning to normal drinking(Yes, actually something minuscule like 2 beers, max). Anyone in AA has had such thinking hammered, because an alcoholic cannot drink, ever, because one is too many...
There is truth to both beliefs, the problem is if you are wrong, are the consequences really worth finding out you cannot enjoy a glass of wine anymore?
Shortly after I got out of rehab, something never before happened to me- I thought I could have some champagne with brunch. Two day later I was taken to an E.R. for acute intoxication.
THIS NEVER HAPPENED TO ME BEFORE IT WAS POUNDED INTO MY BRAIN????

I tried some more "normal drinking" here an there, to satisfy an urge that was anything but normal.
Bad relapses happened a couple more times with decreasing severity over the year then two, awful beyond description nonetheless, before everything clicked; the urge left me and I guess my brain had healed enough in between relapses and efforts to stay sober. To me that "click" was subtle, the only thing I noticed was that I did not crave a drink. Some of us know that subtle or not, I experienced a sort of miracle, never mind that and angels did not pour fourth from the sky!

I went without drinking for 8-9 months, and out of curiosity had a few beers. I felt light headed and uncomfortable, almost ill feeling so I stopped. I felt like crap the next day and could feel my blood pressure up, anxiety too. Did not drink again till one night I went out, and to loosen up decided to have more than a few. I danced, felt very "off", blank brained, I felt like my personality had walked off leaving a drunk idiot, barely able to hold a conversation with women or even my friends in a satisfactory way. I drank probably about a sixpack maybe more that night, but five hours later was getting sweats, chills, and other things that I know from experience aren't simply hangover. Anxiety and high bp the next day and a general ill feeling into the second.

I used to drink a 6er easy and be "fine", but even after two years almost totally sober, my body and my mind have changed. Sometimes I like to think to myself I can drink normally now, maybe have a couple of beers in a year, but anything more and the hangover effects now keep me from doing so. That is another alcoholic miracle for me. I avoid drinking anything now even at social events because the opposite has occurred, it makes me feel off. I guess that's a miracle too.

Above all, now, what keeps me from trying to be a normal drinker is simply the fact that: One, I'm not a normal drinker, so get over it; Two, things are okay for me now, why in the fvck would I ever risk going back to before when the consequences are so disastrous.

Sober from pills and alcohol now for over three years, my social life is minimal. I've reverted to my natural state of mostly preferring my own company. I wish I was dating more, but stress from that has been one of my achilles heels, so I just count on the stars to align (and they occasionally do!). I feel anxiety and stress in social situations, sober or not.
But all these things about myself that used to make me drink I've learned to accept over the alternate hell I've lived through. To feel good physically to surf WHENEVER the waves are pumping and not drown, to wake up without a headache, to live without all the fear (I can't sleep!, bills!, so and so sent me a wierd txt!) all adds up to make me feel better than good about not even picking up one glass- even though I've proved to myself I can, for what that's worth.

My point is, you are not missing a damn thing by not "enjoying a beer or two". I'm definitely not saying it can't be done, but after all an alcoholic goes through, why even bother to risk so much.
The very real and very high risk will always be there. Try to argue that one.

I'd much rather go through life knowing that, say when a loved one passes away, that I won't soon follow because I decided that I'd drink myself through my pain, and right into the palms of one insane nightmare I'd forgotten about when I needed to remember it most.
 
i feel terrible...I was 25 days in sober. I then drank three beers two nights ago and four beers tonight and just lied to my girlfriend when she asked if I drank tonight. I didn't think I was an alcoholic until I tried drinking as a normal drinker and found myself lying and feeling the rush like a heroin addict getting his fix...fuck
 
I need to stop. I buy beers at 5.30pm every evening and open one at six. Lately I have been having at least seven 50cl 5.5% every night. "Lately" would be every night since July, though this pattern is common to any time over the last three years, in particular.

I have about 100 hours of study that I need to do and I can't bring my self to even entertain the thought of it. Sipping my first as I type this, and my guts feel fucking knotty.

:x
 
how can people bring themselves to abuse alcohol like that? its shit.

Also why are alkis even risking going back to booze for social nights out when there is far better drugs than can be taken with better effects and less damaging??? crazy-ness. or stupidity, one of the two
 
Also why are alkis even risking going back to booze for social nights out when there is far better drugs than can be taken with better effects and less damaging??? crazy-ness. or stupidity, one of the two

1) Alcohol is legal.
2) Employers do not alcohol test employees.
3) Not all of one's friends might approve of drugs.

I could go on...
 
how can people bring themselves to abuse alcohol like that? its shit.

Also why are alkis even risking going back to booze for social nights out when there is far better drugs than can be taken with better effects and less damaging??? crazy-ness. or stupidity, one of the two

Just count yourself lucky that you don't understand it, and therefore hopefully won't have to deal with it yourself ;) :\
 
Thanks.

How long have you been drinking? I have been drinking pretty solid for about 6 years at the least, often daily after work. I was able to taper down one less beer a night and then stop. My WD was not bad at all, and I was able to sleep with the help of OTC meds. Now I am not even requiring them and I have only been totally off for 11 days. I have always built up alcohol withdrawals when I quit. I think its part of a way your mind gets you to keep drinking.

Now if you have been drinking longer or are drinking larger amounts then it may be a different ballgame. If you are scared then go talk to the doctor.

Anyways why not start by slowly drinking less, make a commitment to it that you will halve your dosage in a month or something like that.

I just recently received some sites from a friend, rational recovery and another on how to taper off if you think you might get the dts (which I totally qualify for). I am trying to drink less each day. I have had this problem for about 2 years. I only drink at night re my job, most times start earlier on the weekends. I have started taking valerian root and related herbs to help with the shakes during the day, and they do help. I recently started taking 5-htp. This seems to be helping the most, but probably to early to tell. Have you heard anything about how 5-htp might help withdrawal? Thank you again for your response.
 
Ive been thinking about taking a few large doses of psychedelics spread throughout the winter. During this time I plan to reduce my alcohol intake drastically. My goal is for it to help make me realize how stupid it is to drink my self to sleep every night. And that theres better things to work towards like monthly trips on exotic psychedelics. This is my current plan , I know it may sound flawed to some but maybe it will work :)

Thoughts ?
 
Ive been thinking about taking a few large doses of psychedelics spread throughout the winter. During this time I plan to reduce my alcohol intake drastically. My goal is for it to help make me realize how stupid it is to drink my self to sleep every night. And that theres better things to work towards like monthly trips on exotic psychedelics. This is my current plan , I know it may sound flawed to some but maybe it will work :)

Thoughts ?

Can you wait that long? <3
 
tippycup, sorry that is just fucking depressing. I have no social life now just having moved to a new city, but there was a time when I could be social with friends and have a few drinks and end the evening on a nice note. One of my goals/problems is that I don't want to give that up. I am not a loner. I like the social company of others and have that "slight buzz" which makes everyone slightly looser and happy. A lot of people, which used to include me, live their lives where they can socially drink and not have it become a problem. There has been a lot of traumatic things that have happened to me in the past couple of years to bring me to this point. But I am hoping that I can get back to being the person I was before. It would suck, and really what would be the point of existing, if I could not be the social, rational, sane person I was before. I don't want to live a life of seclusion for the sake of sobriety.
 
I have had this thought as well.

Ive been thinking about taking a few large doses of psychedelics spread throughout the winter. During this time I plan to reduce my alcohol intake drastically. My goal is for it to help make me realize how stupid it is to drink my self to sleep every night. And that theres better things to work towards like monthly trips on exotic psychedelics. This is my current plan , I know it may sound flawed to some but maybe it will work :)

Thoughts ?

I have been reading a lot about Ibogaine. While I can not afford the treatment, I was wondering if doing other PDs might not help as well. I never want to drink while I am tripping.
 
I have taken a break from tripping , I havent dosed in at least a month if not longer

In my opinion a few breathtaking trips are just what i need , help me rediscover the beauty

Ive seen it many times and I want it back again , tripping took me there before and it may once again

its worth a shot
 
ttownlcb2, I guess I was not clear enough in stating the point while that my social life has been curtailed, it is in no way a solitary existence. I'm not sure how you came to such an extreme conclusion from what I wrote.
Compared to my "social life" while I was an alcoholic, things have slowed down considerably.
I know when I was struggling I too looked at the lifestyle changes I needed to make, and it was real easy to tell myself that the only alternative would be no life, zero, nada- especially when I want to romanticize how wonderful things were back when all was good.
To say that my present situation is sad and depressing APPLIED TO YOU, may be a failure to see that the issue is the degree of lifestyle change needed, and not that the only alternative is social isolation.
While it may seem kinda sad, let me assure you that for me this has been an incredible and wonderful development; and I did not have to totally isolate myself from others to do it.

The only real goal is to find a place where alcohol is not ruining your life. That's the only real consideration. The answer to that question obviously varies person to person, but I doubt an extreme solution (like total isolation) would be the answer for most people.
 
Tippycup, thanks for the clarification. I'm happy for you for the insight you have gained. Yeah, and I probably was projecting on you. I miss the socialization I once had, but I could not hang with the lifestyle. While my isolation is situational, it is needed and I am beginning to socialize some with others who don't live the kind of lifestyle I did before. I too want to get to that place where alcohol does not control my life but it would still be nice to have some fun too. I guess I need to work on reconciling the two.
 
I have taken a break from tripping , I havent dosed in at least a month if not longer

In my opinion a few breathtaking trips are just what i need , help me rediscover the beauty

Ive seen it many times and I want it back again , tripping took me there before and it may once again

its worth a shot

Perhaps, ya. I've had a few trips where I was convinced that I'd never drink again. That whole "omg this is so beautiful and alcohol is so yucky" stuff. I wish I could have kept the sentiment with me, though. Often I'd be back at it in the next few days. Perhaps it takes finding the perfect compound/dose to really send the message through. If you do go this route, I hope you the best in finding the one for you. Be careful, though :)
 
That whole "omg this is so beautiful and alcohol is so yucky" stuff

Thats what I'm hoping is going to happen

I'm gonna go with 2C-I and 4-AcO-DMT trips spread a few weeks apart , alternating substances

Maybe some nitrous on the peaks to really drill in the message

Alcohol is such poison , I really need to leave it behind me , its just so integrated into my life

its gonna be tricky
 
After drinking heavy for the last 3 weeks I went to my first AA meeting on Sunday night. It was a good experience, and while I'm not totally stoked on the "higher power" part, it was helpful to talk to fellow addicts.

I went to a youth based one the next night and this was much more beneficial. People around my age (22) and a few older people in their late 20s. I'll be going back when I have a day off work on Saturday. I'm not going to be getting a sponsor and saying I'll never drink again. But this seems to be helping and I'll be going back. I haven't had a drink since sunday and I know that isn't long but its the first time since I had swine flu about a month ago that I have gone 72 hours.

One day at a time, and my goal right now is one month without any drugs or alcohol. I'll see how I feel then, but for now I'm on the wagon.

I'll be taking the money I get from my paycheck and instead of blowing it at the bar I'm going to buy a new pair of dress shoes, a pair of jeans, get a haircut, and buy a one of those trendy wool winter coats.

If I'm going to be dating sober girls I will need to look sharp. :)
 
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