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Dxm, to directly answer your question, yes, 5-10 x 600ml beers a day is an unhealthy amount to drink. You should really try to aim to have at least 3 alcohol-free days a week (most doctors will probably say 5 alcohol-free days a week but start with aiming for 3 :))

It's really great that you recognise that you could potentially have a problem, especially because your dad is an alcoholic. I have been guilty in the past of thinking that becoming an alcoholic was out of my control because I know it runs in my genes. But that's bullshit. It's within YOUR power to change the path you're on. Just be wary of your drinking habits and try to cut down as much as you can.
 
^^tahnks!

Well, 5 is not impossible but damn hard.
I tried taking a break but only made it 1 day.
I also have a problem with ritalin and whenver I do that I feel like I HAVE to have some alcohol so to counter some of the over stimulation.
 
No worries mate :)

Feel free to come back here and let us know how you're doing.

And remember, 1 day's break is better than NO day's break! So keep trying to give your body and brain a rest from alcohol as much as you can.
 
I have only a very few positive things in my life right now. I have no friends around here i can hang out with or want to because they are alcoholics and/or crack heads and once i gave up drinking i found out i had absolutely nothing in common with them except alcoholism. There is always abit of booze around my house and my grandparents house (the only relatives i get along with really) during christmas but not as much anymore.

All this stuff combined with the terrible atmosphere at home makes me want to really drink away the winter. The person i care about the most right now is about 1000 miles away and i more then likely won't be able to get to see her until january. If i can see her before then i will because there isn't much holding me here now. A sham of a family is all thats left here and i have to get out of this house before my moms pure hatred kills even me.

So if i can make it through this winter reasonably sober it will be a miracle. I know it makes the sadness worse but it's just so goddamn hard not to drown my sorrows in rum.

Also thanks for always being there for me DW . Your the best.
 
paranoid android said:
I know it makes the sadness worse but it's just so goddamn hard not to drown my sorrows in rum.
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I know EXACTLY what you mean. It's so much easier to drink and escape reality than to not drink and face life for what it is. paranoid, if you think it would be better that you not live at home with your mum, take control and find somewhere else to live. You could be happier. There's always something around the corner to strive for. Also, remind yourself that winter will end, and the holiday season will pass, and you have many things to look forward to when the sun returns.

Can you meet some new friends? Is there a social sport team locally that you can kick a football around with once a week or something like that??
 
Dxmmonster said:
is 5-10 bottles of beer a day too much(big bottles, 600ml)??
my dad is an alcoholic and I dont want to become one.
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Which is about 10-20 regular size beers a day. That's alcoholic territory. If you don't even feel drunk with 10 over the course of the day... that's also alcoholic territory. Somehow, I suspect you already knew that. Good luck...
 
^^Yeah, I konw.
It's just so hard not to drink because the beer is so cheap here.
a case of 24 600ml beers only costs around 5bucks.
no idea why I never see any alcoholics on the street(here in China).
 
^^ The alleles (types) of ADH2 and ADH3 genes are common in the Asian population and convert alcohol to acetaldehyde more rapidly than normal. Because of this increased production of acetaldehyde, this toxic compound builds up and makes people who drink too much uncomfortable and ill. Therefore, these carriers are discouraged from consuming large amount of alcohol.

It also turns out that certain individuals, again commonly Asians, have a defective aldehyde dehydrogenase gene, ALDH2, in that it doesn’t metabolize acetaldehyde as rapidly as normal. Thus, a person who drinks too much builds up acetaldehyde in their system and feels bad or is sick. This manifests in Asians with the defected ALDH gene as a facial flush as they drink.

These responses discourage drinking, thus preventing the development of alcohol abuse, dependence, and alcoholism.

:)
 
I would have been drinking this week, but my alcoholic roomie borrowed the last cash I had ... he said he'd pay me back once he got a job or sold another gun :p

i'm almost out of greens and want to clean out my system a bit; no way i can manage that without some Weinhard's ...
 
n3ophy7e said:
^^ The alleles (types) of ADH2 and ADH3 genes are common in the Asian population and convert alcohol to acetaldehyde more rapidly than normal. Because of this increased production of acetaldehyde, this toxic compound builds up and makes people who drink too much uncomfortable and ill. Therefore, these carriers are discouraged from consuming large amount of alcohol.

It also turns out that certain individuals, again commonly Asians, have a defective aldehyde dehydrogenase gene, ALDH2, in that it doesn’t metabolize acetaldehyde as rapidly as normal. Thus, a person who drinks too much builds up acetaldehyde in their system and feels bad or is sick. This manifests in Asians with the defected ALDH gene as a facial flush as they drink.

These responses discourage drinking, thus preventing the development of alcohol abuse, dependence, and alcoholism.

:)
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ahh, Yes, that makes a shit load of sence.
never thought about it like that. thanks for the explanation.
my friend from taiwan must be one of these ppl.
just a couple sips of beer and his face turns RED:o . kinda funny but he says he feels like shit.

Fuck i hate alcohol, but yet it's the cheapest drug around. cant do much about that.
 
Dxmmonster, you won't be able to drop the alcohol before you drop the ritalin. That shit makes you drink because of the anxiousness that comes with it, and you can drink a lot beer on it, I'm sure.

You probably already know this, just wanted to point out the obvious. Stimulants got me into drinking, and it got really ugly because I refused to stop the stimulants.
 
^gd point actually
the only time i drank moderately heavily - well for me (5 shots of absinthe and a couple of beers a night and im quite a small chick) was wen i was at my heaviest peak of meth use......i also turned to a lot of other depressants too
if u cant handle the stimulant jitters its best to try and work on the issue with those drugs first (the stims)
 
I defintely agree with that. Adderall used to completely overpower any amount of alcohol I could drink, so I imagine ritalin would be similar. The rit has to go first.
 
n3ophy7e said:
I know EXACTLY what you mean. It's so much easier to drink and escape reality than to not drink and face life for what it is. paranoid, if you think it would be better that you not live at home with your mum, take control and find somewhere else to live. You could be happier. There's always something around the corner to strive for. Also, remind yourself that winter will end, and the holiday season will pass, and you have many things to look forward to when the sun returns.

Can you meet some new friends? Is there a social sport team locally that you can kick a football around with once a week or something like that??
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I know i would be happier if i moved out of my parents house. But i am on social services disability and no way will they give me anywhere near enough money to live on by myself. I tried to get enough money off them so i could get a place of my own in the city i live a hour outside the city here in a very rural place where theres nothing to do so thats a big problem.

I wanted to go to college there and do my adult basic education. I tried to get enough money off them many times but the amount they would give me wouldnt be enough to even cover rent. So it's hopeless to try and get anywhere with them. I am going to see if i can just take out a student loan and go to uni because thats about the only way im getting out of here. Then i can skip finishing my high school and just go to university and get a place of my own.

This place is killing me im bored all the time and my mom goes into these rages over nothing and screams her head off at anyone that is around. Usually me or my dad. This really impacts my mood badly cause i just can't handle the pure hatred she spews. I got noone to hang out with here at all there is basically noone up here to hang out with. So many people have left here that there is hardly anyone near my age left.

As for the sports thing well some people play hockey at the rink about 20 minutes from here but i was never any good at ice hockey cause i suck at skating. Road hockey i was quite good at though. When people go to play hockey at the rink here there is always loads of booze and coke around. Alot of them are the same crowd i used to hang out with years back.

So ya im fucked up this way so it's another winter alone. The only thing i got to look forward to is seing my real good chick friend which will probably happen in january by the looks of things now. I will try not to drink myself to death between now and then.
 
agreed paranoid - i can see ur stuck between a rock and a hard place
but u hav a lot of awesome qualities about u and i hav no doubt that wen u and ur chick friend meet up things will vastly improve
hang in for that!
and dont drink urself to death cos im hoping to visit canada myself oneday! :D
 
So my alcoholic roomie (who keeps misappropriating some of my possessions ... ) managed to get a job at a liquor store.
He hasn't started yet, and last nite he got his car towed and arrested for a DUII (not his first)

Me, I'm in the throngs of addiction, feeling miserable cos I've been getttin clean .. alcohol is my last-resort drug; I'm fighting real hard to not drink, but it's a long weekend ..
 
Damn you know your a alcoholic when a lousy glass of wine sets you off. Now im drinking rum and on my fourth drink of that. I don't think im going to get really drunk though maybe just another drink or 2.

Alcohol cravings suck :(.
 
Dxmmonster said:
no idea why I never see any alcoholics on the street(here in China).
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aside from the biological explanations already suggested (which sound plausible enough to me) i would guess that alcoholics in china are just hidden more successfully. between closer families and the fear of public shame i figure the drunkies aren't allowed to simply run amok in china like we are elsewhere. i also once heard a chinese woman remark that her culture doesn't really acknowledge alcoholism; that is to say her family/peers considered alcoholism a 'western disease'. from what she understood, it just wasn't something that happened to chinese people. of course she was sharing all this in an AA meeting so there are obviously some holes in that theory.
 
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