Alcoholism discussion thread v. 5.0

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Well I've been trying not to drink everyday recently. But usually if I go hang out with friends or whatever I'll get either a case of beer or a handle of vodka for the group. On bad nights I'll drink upwards of 12 or 15 drinks, most of the time I just kinda lose count so who knows how much really. It's just gotten really difficult to cut myself off at like 5 drinks or whatever after I get a buzz. Because if I stop drinking I come down really fast and feel like dirt.

I don't think I've gone through SERIOUS withdrawal yet. But I can definitely feel it coming on. The other night, I had to be around my ex because we have lots of mutual friends. Which pretty much made me have to drink myself numb. I very stupidly drunk drove home because I was also real wired on amphetamines and couldnt sleep. It's like 6 am and its a beautiful warm morning, and I just can't stop shivering. This happens alot where if I'm sober or coming down, I feel very cold even though its not. And if I feel shitty enough I'll just lay in bed shaking and generally being very depressed.

I know my habit probably isn't as bad as alot of peoples and I haven't had the years of chronic abuse to really fuck me up, but I definitely have a pretty bad addictive personality.

You're definitely dealing with consequences of overindulgence, though, and it's only going to get worse unless you at least cut down. I have an addictive personality, too, and tend to overdo it on pretty much every kind of high .I know that cold/shivering/shaky feeling that comes with sobering up. It does eventually get a lot worse than that.

Depending on booze to numb you or make you feel better is contributing massively to your depression, though. Probably more than you realize. People with addictive personalities often never learn how to deal with stress and depression until late in life because we're so prone to block out the feeling with forms of instantaneous gratification. You end up inevitably feeling worse hours later when that high is gone and you're left with just yourself, raw and sober. It's a fucked up cycle that just gets worse.

Again, the fact that you don't have years behind you of alcohol abuse is a good sign, it means that you have the self-awareness to catch onto it early and you're willing to address the problem before it gets out of control. A lot of people in this thread waited long after that point came and things get pretty ugly if the drinking progresses at that rate.

I think that you might benefit in keeping track of how many drinks you have a night, and try to keep it low enough so that you avoid too much discomfort and withdrawal. Cutting down gradually seems to be the case to go with a lot of people because if you limit your drinking drastically too fast, it often hits as too much of a shock and people give up easily and just get hammered. So basically, throw the idea of getting fucked up out the window, and take a drink only if you start feeling too bad.

Also, when you're mixing too much alcohol abuse with amphetamines, it can get REALLY bad, and the comedowns off amps along with the depression and anxiety from alcohol abuse and sobering up off booze is overwhelming. If you're having even minor withdrawal from alcohol, which can come even from a bender, then you should seriously avoid amphetamines. It sucks ass being on uppers when booze is turning against you.
 
Thank you my friend I definitely just needed some advice from someone with a rational mindset about it and all. First off I really need to avoid the harder drugs because, yes, they don't help the booze situation they just make me want to drink more. I also need to take a serious break from psychs, haven't done them in weeks but I think they really contributed to my negative mindset.

The idea of just counting my drinks and trying to dial it back a notch, really sounds like a good place to start for me. I have tried to cut off completely and you're right, it's just painful and too much too fast. I'm sure I will go out and drink tonight, but from now on I am going to make an effort to know how much I'm drinking and take it easy. The drinking and drugs problem pretty much just stems from my negative mindset about shit, and I also need to focus on just improving my views on life and not using substance as a crutch.

But dude, thanks again, I know it's just quick advice and everything but much appreciated. Will be back to say if I've made any progress or anything.
 
shroomy I know from experience with alcohol that I tend to not count my drinks either. Have you ever tried watering down your drinks? I know for me half of drinking is the actual process of drinking and sipping on the alcohol. The act of drinking the stuff is more fun than the "high" I get from it. I am fully supportive of you cold turkeying it but if you are placed in a situation where you know you won't be able to resist perhaps you can try that technique.
 
*phew*

I have been through such a prolonged rocky patch in my life I am beginning to get really concerned! It doesn't just appear as though there's no lag between one catastrophe and the next. In fact, they've been overlapping with increasing predictability for a while now. I've been really stressed and had a near-relapse last week. I followed the steps I knew to take, and am happy to say that today I am celebrating 6 months of continuous sobriety. By the grace of so many in my life, including my higher power, those in the fellowship I belong to, you all here... but I owe no credit to myself. I could never do this alone.

~ Vaya
 
well, i too have a pretty bad and fucked alcohol problem. funnily enough i did a shitload of hard drugs, like heroin and crack, and never got addicted to them. but alcohol is everywhere and comparatively cheap and i swear to god, something has to change soon. i've been to detox twice, but sooner or later i always end up back drinking. i seriously don't know how much i can take of this anymore.

@shroomybroom: same thing happened to me. lost the best girl i ever knew through drinking, she stuck with me three years but finally gave me an ultimatum. her or the booze. i told her to go fuck herself and continued drinking. it's been three years since then and i regret it to this day.
 
So I suppose it was a good weekend. Did not drink as much as normal, and I feel better for it. My good friend isn't the naive enabler I thought for a while, and life continues to surprise me. stardust yes I do try and use ALOT of ice in my drinks, that way it's quite watered down, and that definitely helps with dehydration and all.

xxxyyy yeah she tried to tell me I needed help and I just ignored her so eventually she gave up. Sucks cause she was my best friend since high school. But at the same time I'm glad it's over, cause she's definitely changed. You might think someones real and down to earth and everything, but after a while you realize that they're just another fake ass bitch. Hence drinking so much.
 
I've been kicking around the idea of starting a thread in TDS about the merits of abstinence-only vs. controlled drinking. I have various studies to reference, in particular those conducted by Mark and Linda Sobell at Patton State Hospital in California in 1972.

I only mention this because there seems to only be support on BL for abstinence-only measures. There is another side to this story. I'm just wondering if posting these studies might be triggering or detrimental to other problem drinkers.
Hi Cyc, sorry for the delayed response to this idea, but you certainly may start a thread with links to those studies. Even though there seems to be more support for abstinence-only measures, this is definitely not an official stance and we welcome other sobriety concepts as well.
 
I would like to read about that too Cyc. There is unfortunately no middle ground for me. No matter how long I last, I always spiral out of control. It only takes one time out of control to do something ultimately regrettable.
 
I remember posting in here months ago saying that I would stop completely. Unfortunately I fell into the cycle again. I posted a thread actually about my last experience which was extremely embarrassing. I've found that I absolutely cannot control the amount I drink. As soon as I finish one glass, I must consume all the alcohol I have, even if it's a 4L cask of wine.

I have been drinking since grade 8 (13 years old) (I'm now 24) and the worst part is that I didn't even notice that I was addicted, it became something 'normal' to do. It became an ordinary everyday habit, like brushing my teeth.... Only now, that I have started seeing all the negative actions I have caused and the physical damage this drinking has done to my body have I woken up and realized how bad this habit has become...

It has literally become physically addictive (shaking hands when stopping for a couple of days). I guess like all addictions you don't see it creep up on you, but it does and once you are caught it in, it's very hard to leave...
 
I'm about a week away from 90 days sober

These cravings are getting pretty bad. It was a lot easier the first couple of months. For some reason I've really wanted to drink lately. I even just listed the pros and cons of drinking tonight, and obviously the cons totally outnumbered the pros, but it isn't changing anything. But I know if I drink tonight, it will not be worth it and I'll deeply regret it tomorrow.
 
I'm about a week away from 90 days sober

These cravings are getting pretty bad. It was a lot easier the first couple of months. For some reason I've really wanted to drink lately. I even just listed the pros and cons of drinking tonight, and obviously the cons totally outnumbered the pros, but it isn't changing anything. But I know if I drink tonight, it will not be worth it and I'll deeply regret it tomorrow.
I've been falling in to the same mental trap lately blahman. But please try to remember how much you're going to regret drinking!! Do something to distract yourself tonight. You will feel so happy and proud that you resisted the temptation. Be strong <3
 
^This^ hard. Blahman, I'm into week 7 and that little voice that says 'wouldn't it be good to just have a couple of beers' has been whispering fairly insistently this week and I've very nearly given into it once or twice. It's only the thought of how disgusted with myself I'd feel if I actually did give in and deny myself the well-earned reward next week of being able to say for the first time that I'm two whole months sober that's enabled me to resist. I'm too invested in that now to let a momentary craving undo the enormous effort of will it's taken to get this far. I'm not even taking the antabuse at the mo cos I ran out a few weeks back so my continuing sobriety is all will power, and I'm feeling so much stronger and more positive knowing that. I feel proud of myself for the first time in years, and you know what? It feels fucking good man! :) Hope you can continue to take something like that from your continuing efforts. Best of luck! You too N3o. You're doing great. Long may it continue. :)
 
^^ Dude, are we the same person or something?!?! :D I seriously could've written that whole post almost word-for-word, except that I'm on naltrexone, not Antabuse. Sepher, you and I are right on the same track at the moment. I'm at 7 weeks and 4 days sober today. This past week I have felt a bit lax, kinda like the complacency is creeping up on me, but I'm still determined to stick with it. I went out to dinner in the city tonight and was not even tempted for a second, even walking past many many pubs and nightclubs, smelling the beer and wine and hearing the loud drunken conversations from within. Like you said, we've put far too much effort in to this to turn back now. 2 whole months of sobriety is SO close, and I've never been sober for two whole months since I started drinking.

Let's BOTH continue on our sobriety journey, we are both doing so well. I am so proud of myself, and of you too :)

Same to you blahman, I am so fucking proud of you mate. Like I've said numerous times before, you have come SO far this year, keep it up! <3
 
Hahaha! It's been a tad uncanny just how much I seem to have been following in your footsteps of late N3o. Not in some weird cyber-stalker way though, obviously! :uhoh: I mean . . . oh, never mind! ;) I've had the whole end of relationship / new house / fresh start thing going on these last couple of months and after all the stress of that finally things are settling down. Everything's completely on my terms for the first time in years and I feel like I have some real control over my life back at last, not just over the drinking but everything else going on too. Everything's coming together at just the right time. :)

I've not managed to post much or offer much in the way of support here or elsewhere over recent weeks cos of the above, but I've been reading daily all the same. Just wanted to thank all those who've offered their support, to me personally and more indirectly just by sharing their experiences and offering others advice here. It's been an enormous source of inspiration and strength for me. It's helped me get where I am at the minute no question and I'm genuinely grateful for it, I truly mean that. :)
 
Hey guys, I definitely appreciate all the encouragement, and I'm glad you folks are staying sober too. The temptation is getting harder for me but I just keep reminding myself how low I will feel after the booze runs out. Sobriety has done a lot for me and it hasn't even been three months. I've got my health back, I look and feel better, and I'm closer to getting my life back on track. When I get these cravings, and I actually think about it, I can't come up with one good reason to drink. But the cravings are still strong and reasoning almost goes out the window.

I'm just hoping it'll get easier soon. Maybe this is just a tough phase that I need to get through.
 
Blahman, is there something you could plan to look forward to as a 90 day reward?

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I went out last night with some people I know - non-alcoholics. It had been 5 nights. I feel kindof gross and guilty today. It's not a totally overwhelming feeling though, so I have an intimation that I'll stay at this stage of drinking for a long time. Which is considered "normal" drinking.
 
Blahman, is there something you could plan to look forward to as a 90 day reward?

Nah, nothing I can think of. I mean, I'm still kinda relearning how to enjoy things without alcohol in my system. I guess the feeling of accomplishment that I'll have made it that far is reward enough, though.
 
When I had managed the end of my relationship, the move etc. sober I rewarded myself with a day in a fancy sauna resort. It cost 25 € but come on, I would have blown that money in one or two hours "celebrating" with drugs. That is sooooo relaxing. Next time I'll go play paintball with a few friends or sth. Nothing helps me to get rid of bad thoughts as those two things... :)
 
I remember posting in here months ago saying that I would stop completely. Unfortunately I fell into the cycle again. I posted a thread actually about my last experience which was extremely embarrassing. I've found that I absolutely cannot control the amount I drink. As soon as I finish one glass, I must consume all the alcohol I have, even if it's a 4L cask of wine.

I have been drinking since grade 8 (13 years old) (I'm now 24) and the worst part is that I didn't even notice that I was addicted, it became something 'normal' to do. It became an ordinary everyday habit, like brushing my teeth.... Only now, that I have started seeing all the negative actions I have caused and the physical damage this drinking has done to my body have I woken up and realized how bad this habit has become...

It has literally become physically addictive (shaking hands when stopping for a couple of days). I guess like all addictions you don't see it creep up on you, but it does and once you are caught it in, it's very hard to leave...

[sigh] I abso-fucking-lutely cannot control how much I drink once I start either. I've been struggling pretty badly. Honestly, there's no reason why I'm still alive. All the dangers I've placed myself in (when I was 16 I met a guy who was waiting for the payphone to get some speed - I WENT WITH HIM). Even just this past monday I put myself in 2 very dangerous situations because I thought I could have 2 drinks - NOPE! 1 drink leads to as many as I can get my hands on. And my tolerance is going down, not up... I don't think that bodes well for the state of my health. I'm sitting here with a bottle of vodka in my lap. I don't want it, I don't like how it makes me feel, I don't like the things it makes me do, I don't like the guilt/shame/sickness of the next day... but I'm going to drink it anyway. This is no way to live - I'm not living
 
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