Alcoholism discussion thread v. 5.0

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I hope you told her that, and not just us. It's not too late if you haven't. It's never too late. You're lucky.

yeah i did tell her that, considering she very rarely drinks or uses drugs and has lived with my useless self for 8 years is amazing, now it time to stop the bullshitting (which i do very well) and put my words ino actions. Her love is giving me a reason to not be so self destructive, i need to start showing her more respect, i have been selfsih and inconsiderate for too long

The thing is, i don't act aggressive or messy when i am intoxicated, sometimes i wish i did so i had more regret for my actions

she just wants me to be healthy, i don't know what i have done to deserve such consideration
 
You love her. She obviously loves you. Roll with it.

yeah, i should not over analyse something so simple, sorry if it seems i am seeking relationship advice but its been so linked with my drinking and i thought i should use communication on the forum when things are good not just when i feel like i am at crisis point
 
It's all good BM, we're here for ya rain hail or shine :)
You are very lucky to have such a wonderful girl who loves you <3



I started back on naltrexone today, I am sober tonight and after a couple of hours of treacherous cravings, I am now feeling fine. Exercised both Saturday and Sunday, and going to the gym tomorrow. Sleep is the next obstacle which I will attempt to tackle in about 30 mins. Wish me luck :)
 
Enjoy your sober deep sleep.

I'm going back to bed now myself. Got it down to 2 separate ~3-4 hour blocks each night.

Good to hear about the naltexone btw, and even better on the exercise.
 
The very fact that you are so aware of the potential problem that is brewing, is a good sign. May I make a suggestion? If you want to take a break one night/some nights (which you should strongly consider doing), plan something to do that night that doesn't involve alcohol, and that effectively takes your mind off drinking. Exercise is a GREAT option because not only does it take up time in the evening when you would usually be drinking, but also, a) it dehydrates you and makes you less likely to want any alcohol, you're more likely to want WATER instead, and b) exercise releases endorphins which make you feel really good and neurochemically distract your brain from alcohol cravings. If you're not the exercising type, perhaps go and see a movie instead, or go out to dinner with a friend who doesn't drink (or at a restaurant that doesn't serve alcohol). What do you think hun?

OK. Today is the day. Last night I informed my roommate I'm not spending time with him tonight.

Me: "I decided I'm not going to drink anything tomorrow night. I'm going to have mandatory days of sobriety."
Him: "That would be so good for me."

HUH? As if our drinking habits have to be so alike? I drink, you drink.. I don't, so you don't? ..Goofy.

n3o. . .Getting through the cravings is really an accomplishment. It's the hardest part, yeah? So good for you :D
Recently I was reading a book of conversations with the Dalai Lama. He indicated that in some languages (that aren't English), there are more words to describe emotions that we cannot consider as emotion. The two that stuck out in my mind are "attachment" and "craving". If those are emotions IMM it gives me a different way to deal with those conditions. I thought that was neat.

DexterMeth said:
Worst idea ever. You should stop drinking now. Trying to stop when you move out is only going to make stopping that much worse, and probably impossible. Quit while you're ahead. You sound like you more or less know what you're doing, so get with it already.

I like your attitude.
And This makes sense to me.
 
So I'm off to the doctor today to get a naltrexone script. I've also been reading up on Campral....has anyone here tried it before? From what I read it's similar to naltrexone, and the two can even be taken at the same time for added effectiveness. I don't even know if it's available in Australia, I guess I'll have to wait and see.

This morning as I was laying in bed snoozing off my hangover, I was also considering getting a script for Antabuse while I'm at it, just in case the naltrexone doesn't work well enough to keep me from drinking. Just as a safety blanket kinda thing. I know a few people here have tried Antabuse....is it the sort of thing that I can just take as a one-off dose say, before a party or something like that, to make sure I don't drink?? Or would I need to take it every day for a few weeks (as its usually prescribed)?

N3o, bit late picking up on this, apologies. I've been avoiding the thread. I'm drinking a bit at the minute and feel like a hypocrite every time I post on it with advice, and threads elsewhere on addiction generally TBH. Stupid I know. 8)

I tried Campral ( Acamprosate ) for some months, taking 666mg three times a day, and didn't get much from it. It didn't seem to have much effect on either my cravings or my behaviours anyways. Its mechanism of action seems not to be well understood but I think the fact I've never had what could be described as a physical dependency or anything even approaching high tolerance to alcohol may have something to do with that, IDK? Might be totally wrong on that, and it might be massively useful for you, so take this with a pinch of salt. That's just me trying to understand why my treatment with it didn't seem to work so well, and I could well be just rationalising there! ;) You can absolutely take it alongside the Naltrexone, and also alongside Antabuse. Those combos are commonly prescribed here in the UK at least.

As for Antabuse ( Disulfiram ): It builds up in your system over time, having a very long half life so that the level in your system stabilises over a period of days and stays in your system for a good period of days after your last dose, 4 or 5 easily, but yeah, you could certainly take it on a morning once in a while and if you drank that night it would produce a reaction. Depending how large your dose was and how much you drank that reaction could be anywhere from mildly unpleasant to really quite severe. Trouble is you won't know how long that single dose will stay active for in your system. You might be fine to drink next day, it might be a coupla days or more till you can drink without getting any reaction whatsoever.

As someone who was a bugger for manipulating the meds so I could stay safe through the week to keep me in a job but still drink on a weekend I found the length of time it remained active really variable and impossible to predict. I got caught out a few times trying to be clever with it, one time drinking too much not having dosed the previous two days ( making it nearly three since last dose ) and ending up with a reaction so bad I got the GF to call 999 and get me an ambulance convinced I was on the verge of a heart attack, if not already having one. I wouldn't recommend you take it on an as per needed basis because of that variability. I think it probably has to be all or nothing with Antabuse, the reaction is too potentially dangerous ( and massively unpleasant even when it's not ) to play around with like that but again, you might be more sensible than me with it and not so inclined to test your cleverness with it. ;)

Good luck with the Naltrexone BTW. I'll be interested in how you get on with it. It's about the only thing I haven't tried yet to help me beat the booze.
 
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I can't reccomend anabuse ever really. I understand why some people need it, but I don't think she does. Might as well just take benzos if you need anabuse. The medication does not get to the root of the problem. No medication does.

That campral however sounds like it could be helpful for a lot of people in the very early stages of withdrawals, but honestly I'd just stick with a week or so on diazepam..stopping use of it immediately when no longer physically needed for alcohol DTs of course. Benzos are old and understood. Very addictive, yes, but work 100% for DTs. Just have someone that is reliable hold onto the benzo stash.
 
Antabuse is certainly a very blunt instrument. It's a bit too much classical conditioning / aversion therapy for my liking. I couldn't recommend it either, cos I'm not sure humans respond quite so well to that kind of conditioning as Pavlov's dogs? Mainly cos as free agents they can out-think the control. Supervision would seem to be key? That's not to say it doesn't have its place. Whether it's of use would probably depend very much on the individual concerned, their motivation, the supervision put in place by their GP / addiction unit, and the other treatments running alongside it. It will probably work for some, in the same that AA will work for some.

Having said that, treatment does seem to have moved on and Antabuse has fallen out of favour to an extent, Naltrexone and / or Acamprosate having replaced it, those treatments at least working on a chemical level in the brain to try and address physical causes of craving rather than mental ones.
 
OK. Today is the day. Last night I informed my roommate I'm not spending time with him tonight.

Me: "I decided I'm not going to drink anything tomorrow night. I'm going to have mandatory days of sobriety."
Him: "That would be so good for me."

HUH? As if our drinking habits have to be so alike? I drink, you drink.. I don't, so you don't? ..Goofy.

My boyfriend hasn't drank anything either since I quit. He claims he is feeling better about that, even though his drinking was so mild compared to what I could down in a week. People are easily influenced whether by positive or negative things. Well, it will probably help you if your roommate is trying to be sober too.

Going on two weeks of sobriety now (13 days).

Have gone out dancing three times so far and generally its been very successful. Last night I had a TON of social anxiety at this new club I went to...just was a really strange mix of people; some cool familiar faces but also a lot of hoochy mama types with high heels and bad attitudes. One group almost seemed to want to get into a fight with me when I went to go pee one time! They were blocking the way to the stalls and one of them stomped on me in her high heel and then started talking shit: "Ooooh that bitch touched me" and so on! Sheesh! Thank god they left the bathroom before I came out of the stall, but I am never going back to that place, if that's the kind of crap to be expected!

Despite the extreme anxiety I managed to stay strong and did dance a bit. Complimentary tea helped too. I think the anxiety is a big reason why I was drinking in the first place; alcohol helps block a lot of the energy from people that I feel hypersensitive to sometimes. Channeling that anxiety into dancing and movement really helps dispel it.
 
^^ munki it sounds like you are doing brilliantly!! Keep it up hun <3 I love that you use dance and movement to work through your social anxiety issues, that is so awesome :)


Enjoy your sober deep sleep.

I'm going back to bed now myself. Got it down to 2 separate ~3-4 hour blocks each night.

Good to hear about the naltexone btw, and even better on the exercise.
Thank you mate <3
Unfortunately my sleep last night was fitful and confusing. I feel like I've been hit by a bus this morning :|
First sober night in a week though, 'twas to be expected. Tonight's sleep will be much nicer :)


OK. Today is the day. Last night I informed my roommate I'm not spending time with him tonight.

Me: "I decided I'm not going to drink anything tomorrow night. I'm going to have mandatory days of sobriety."
Him: "That would be so good for me."

HUH? As if our drinking habits have to be so alike? I drink, you drink.. I don't, so you don't? ..Goofy.
Yep, this is exactly the relationship between my drinking habits and my boyfriend's drinking habits (we're both alcoholics and we live together). It's all or nothing. It makes it twice as difficult to abstain from alcohol.

The two that stuck out in my mind are "attachment" and "craving". If those are emotions IMM it gives me a different way to deal with those conditions. I thought that was neat.
That is pretty cool actually! I like that :) It certainly validates the intense emotional side of cravings.


N3o, bit late picking up on this, apologies. I've been avoiding the thread. I'm drinking a bit at the minute and feel like a hypocrite every time I post on it with advice, and threads elsewhere on addiction generally TBH. Stupid I know. 8)
That is not stupid in the slightest actually, I do this all the time!! Whenever I'm binging particularly badly on alcohol, I can't bring myself to even open this thread let alone reply to posts. Firstly it's too triggering, and secondly, like you said, I feel like a hypocrite trying to help others get/remain sober.

Good luck with the Naltrexone BTW. I'll be interested in how you get on with it. It's about the only thing I haven't tried yet to help me beat the booze.
Thanks mate :) I will let you know how it's going.


Antabuse is certainly a very blunt instrument. It's a bit too much classical conditioning / aversion therapy for my liking. I couldn't recommend it either, cos I'm not sure humans respond quite so well to that kind of conditioning as Pavlov's dogs?
See, this is kinda why I like the concept of it! At the moment I don't have any immediate-term reasons why I need to quit drinking. All my reasons are medium- to long-term reasons, so it makes it a bit more difficult for my addict brain to justify being sober. I feel like I need a reason as clear-cut as "If you even have ONE drink, you are going to be violently ill."
....but I don't think I'm going to need Antabuse...not at this stage anyway.


Ya, that sounds about right. I'm just not much into meds anymore, but that is just me. I'm hardly ever right.
But you are right for YOURSELF, and that is the most important thing :)
 
It has been awhile, I hope everyone is doing well. I will try to stop by this thread more often. I am still doing well. I didn't drink for close to a year and a half. I have the occasional beer now, but really watch it. No way I would be able to do this without a very extended break. When I did decide to have a beer or two, I prepared myself for a few months. I had to be honest with myself. And I also have to accept the fact that I might have to stop it completely if I do find problems managing it. I am far from a 12 stepper, so I am not bothered by the whole "clean time" stigma.


For all those suffering, you can do it. Please be safe when trying to detox off. Take it very slow. Do not jump off of extended or heavy drinking without medical assistance. AT THE VERY LEAST, taper yourself off very slowly. Try to switch to low abv beers and cut down slowly. Stabilize yourself on an appropriate dose and go from there. But really, you should go to the doctor to be totally safe. If you do decide to taper take it very slow. Take off one beer per drop, or even a half beer. Shit, I used to put ice cubes in my beer when doing this. I like craft beer, so all the "lite" stuff tastes the same to me.

As for myself, I very rarely liked getting drunk. Especially as I aged, that did not stop me from developing a daily habit that did cause physical and mental problems. For a long time I was a very functional maintenance drinker. Then, I started using coke and this was on top of my opiate cycle, which was a big issue in and of itself. My opiate rollercoaster was tied up in my drinking. I would use opiates for two weeks and then user alcohol and taper myself off with lower opiate doses. I had this whole system down cold. This went on for close to a DECADE! The coke didn't appear till the end and I fizzled out quickly when I added that to the mix.


Problem was, as I aged my tolerance got higher and my body could not bounce back like it used too. Towards the end, I was facing some very serious crippling depression.

I should mention that I am tapering off of Suboxone and am on a low dose at this point, but still have some in my system. Once I completely get off it I will have to re-evaluate and be honest with myself once again. I was started on way too high of a dose of Sub and it has caused some very tough fatigue. Thankfully, its getting much better as the dose gets lower. Soon I will be able to get off completely. Do not get me wrong, Sub is a great tool, but my habit does not require a life long maintenance on it.

Denial is a huge factor in drinking and all drug habits. I find its sneakiest with alcohol due to it being socially accepted. You can reduce or stop your consumption if you want to. The difficult part for me was to finally get off it and commit to a very long break. After three months it gets much much easier.


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Something totally different: My understanding is that Campral is a post withdrawal med/craving reduction tool. I did not think it helps with acute WD. I could be totally wrong. As I stated earlier, the safest WD is under a doctors care.
 
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Despite the extreme anxiety I managed to stay strong and did dance a bit. Complimentary tea helped too. I think the anxiety is a big reason why I was drinking in the first place; alcohol helps block a lot of the energy from people that I feel hypersensitive to sometimes. Channeling that anxiety into dancing and movement really helps dispel it.

This is just some awesome news. I love reading others' successes... it just pushes me that much further towards my own personal goals, and I thank you!
I really related to this "dancing with social anxiety in a new atmosphere without booze" thought (typing that gave me the chills, as it still seems so foreign!) but I've found that when I go out to clubs (electronic music mainly), the music becomes my "drug" and I lose myself in the experience. Afterwards, it seems so surreal to have gone through it without the aid of some chemical agent. But I think that therein lies the deeper satisfaction: That I truly do have it within myself to be around other human beings without completely wigging out.

Congratulations on 13 days!! MASSIVE! =D

DexterMeth said:
The medication does not get to the root of the problem. No medication does.

I believe this so whole-heartedly that further words cannot embrace it. Although (and I've never taken Campral or Antabuse myself), if medication can lead to that which does address the root of the problem, then I certainly would not dissuade someone from trying it. One thing to remember:

Getting sober is one thing.
Living sober, however, is an entirely different mentality.

But it all must begin somewhere!
 
After I got arrested and was facing 7 years prison time for something I wasn't even guilty of (poss with intent of marijuana), along with one legit charge (felony poss of 1g of hash oil), I was facing a lot of anxiety, which was a new feeling for me. I told the cops that different strains shouldn't be mixed, to no avail.

I quit smoking, and started drinking every day. Luckily I stuck with beers, drank 8-12 drinks daily. Then I almost died in a car accident (sober) and was prescribed Valium as a muscle relaxer, and knew it was used by people dependant on alcohol. So, my alcoholism never flowered, luckily (only two months of daily drinking).

At first, I had cravings even on Valium, but they slowly disappeared. Today, I've been dry for 1.5 years, and have NO cravings to drink, and am not on daily benzos, so cravings WILL go away, just give em time. ;)
 
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I am new to posting here but have lurked on TDS for a long time. I am a college student and I am about to make my first real attempt at stopping or at least cutting down my drinking. Currently, I drink to black out at least five or six days a week. My grades have fallen apart. I am just so tired of this. Anyway, I had a question. The only thing that I have found that really helps me with alcohol cravings, is weed. But as a former heavy daily smoker prior to my descent into alcoholism, I didn't know if this is really a constructive way of dealing with cravings. Especially since I lost my most recent job for being stoned at work.
 
drinking is odd. I hate drinking. I hate how I feel on it, I hate the taste the smell. Yet I was a heavy alchloic a few times in my I find I force my self to drink. So much so often I get addicted. Then its a game of keeping the DT and shakes away. so to avoid it. No booze in the house, I never talk about it I avoid any stores I bought booze from. I just.. avoid it. I keep it away and far away. I have to work very hard to do this but it keeps me clean. I remember the worst of my WD any time I think about it plus I promised my best friend I would call him if I am going to drink before i do it. Not wanted to make that call keeps me from drinking.

Its a battle but really most people don't enjoy drinking they just lie to them selves.
 
My powerlessness.

I am 21 years old. I have been trying to stay sober, or get sober since the very first months of my drinking. Both of my parents have recovered from alcoholism, but for me - even with my current 8 months of sobriety, I have to say, not yet. I won't tell you I don't like the effects of alcohol. I truly do - a good hit of heroin or cocaine can't match the feeling I get after slamming down 3-4 drinks. But this is short-lived. After the initial buzz, and warmth goes away, my body and mind will not LET ME stop. I chase the feeling, full well knowing I will not get it back until I sober up and go at it again. It has been a daily addiction for me.

Over the years I've learned what powerless means for me:

-Once I take a drink, I have to follow the course, I can't stop, or won't stop once I've started until certain key times in my life when I've been able to shake it.
-Even if I manage to stay sober for a long period of time I'm STILL powerless because if I don't work on my addiction - I will be led back to it.

If anyone has any questions send me a message.
 
I believe this so whole-heartedly that further words cannot embrace it. Although (and I've never taken Campral or Antabuse myself), if medication can lead to that which does address the root of the problem, then I certainly would not dissuade someone from trying it.

That's why I will always support the use of psychedelics for therapy.
 
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