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[MsDiz]

Most fucking deffo would be sorting it out immediately.



Fat fingers?

Hahahaha! I do have short fingers but they ain’t fat I don’t think! I also literally see no like function on this thing. Anywhere. I could be looking at it and my brain isn’t registering it presently, got my monthly meds today and I’m chilling with some tapentadol. Goodbye pain my old friend, hello painfree times.

 

[MDPV_Psychosis]

I’d like your posts but I have no idea how to do it. I’m on a phone maybe that’s why I can’t do it?

You are still a "greenlighter" meaning you are still new. I believe you will graduate from greenlighter to a Bluelighter when you reach 50 posts. At that point you will be able to react/like posts. So hang tight and keep participating.

 

[SunriseChampion]

^Aha, didn't think of that. I think I always revert to blaming fat fingers for touch screen fuckery because I have fat fingers and can relate.

 

[MsDiz]

You are still a "greenlighter" meaning you are still new. I believe you will graduate from greenlighter to a Bluelighter when you reach 50 posts. At that point you will be able to react/like posts. So hang tight and keep participating.

Ahhh, makes sense! Thanks for the info! Hope no one thinks I’m a rude bitch for not liking their posts back! I’m nice really!

 

[Xorkoth]

Yeah I have noticed gastro sensitivity and issues lately, I am 36, and I've been binge drinking periodically (at times up to 3 times a week though, sometimes much less often) for the last... 4 or 5 years. I was on opiates for 10 years and for the first few I also drank a lot but then almost entirely stopped, for probably 6 years, in the middle there. And for a few years before that, from 17 to 20, I drank very heavily. Never daily, but for example college was ridiculous. The issues have really just started to show up, I have always had an iron stomach with no issues ever, these days though I get indigestion, pain sometimes, I have to watch what I eat. My memory is distinctly worse than it once was. I am also approaching 40 so some of it is probably that but I just feel so much less healthy and flexible and solid than I did 5 years ago.

 

[MsDiz]

Yeah I have noticed gastro sensitivity and issues lately, I am 36, and I've been binge drinking periodically (at times up to 3 times a week though, sometimes much less often) for the last... 4 or 5 years. I was on opiates for 10 years and for the first few I also drank a lot but then almost entirely stopped, for probably 6 years, in the middle there. And for a few years before that, from 17 to 20, I drank very heavily. Never daily, but for example college was ridiculous. The issues have really just started to show up, I have always had an iron stomach with no issues ever, these days though I get indigestion, pain sometimes, I have to watch what I eat. My memory is distinctly worse than it once was. I am also approaching 40 so some of it is probably that but I just feel so much less healthy and flexible and solid than I did 5 years ago.

Haha, I’m 36 this year so don’t say approaching 40! Makes it sound so old!! Still early thirties. Think I’m gonna be 35 again this year though, can’t stand the thought of being 40!

Yeah the gastro issues are annoying! I have a prescription for omeprazole which helps a bit but I only take it when I really need it as it is known to cause dementia. If you can stand milk, it helps neutralising the stomach acids.

 

[Xorkoth]

It does, I've been buying milk again lately for that reason, I loved milk as a kid, not so much now but it's become more valuable.

I really want to stop drinking period... but there are times it really seems like the thing to do.

 

[burn out]

And Burnout, I was probably binging every other weekend or once a month. Heavy all night binges. I drank for a full week once every night and had a miscarriage without even knowing I was pregnant. Was taken to hospital for a D&C and discharged myself ASAP and went out drinking again. All due to alcohol, that whole mess.

Sorry to hear about the miscarriage, that must have been pretty traumatic. I'm not disagreeing with you about the negative effects of alcohol binges, I just think heavy all night binges on MDMA on a monthly bases would just as bad if not worse.

Everyone reacts differently of course but some people seem able to drink copious amounts with little adverse effects. For example, I remember being at an AA meeting where a guy said he got drunk every day for 25 years but was now sober 5 years. I asked him if he had any lasting health effects from such long term alcohol abuse and he said, not really, maybe a little high blood pressure. There are also people who roll hundreds of times and report no long term damage. But just from what I've seen and experienced it seems to me that there are lot more people suffering long term effects from a relatively brief period of MDMA use/abuse than alcohol. When I think about all the people I went to school with and how much they drank and how they all seem fine now (of course I don't know their true health status) but they mostly have jobs, are married with kids, etc. I think that had they all been abusing MDMA instead, there would have been more causalities, at least in terms of psychological health.

I realize though I am from the USA and you are from the UK. I have read that in the UK people don't believe in the whole "you should only take MDMA twice a year" philosophy and it's normal for young people to go out and binge on it on the weekends as though it were alcohol. I even read some clubs were losing revenue because everyone was doing MDMA and no one was buying drinks. It's not like that here in the USA. People don't commonly binge on MDMA on the regular and the ones who do often get really screwed up. I personally have taken MDMA four times and the last times I had really bad come downs, with the last one being 5 days of many of the symptoms people describe in those long term come down posts. It was scary. More scary than any of the mutli day alcohol hangovers I've had and I decided to never take MDMA again after it. Maybe we Americans just can't tolerate MDMA.

 

[Jopeth]

@burn out. In my (im USA also) alcohol was what you did, when you couldn't find any mdma. I like having a few drinks if I get some especially "speedy" stuff (read: cut pills lol), but most of my friends did one or the other, unless we were at a festival or whatever...then all bets are off. I do like a few drinks on the comedown, with some chronic though. But I usually can tell due to worsened stomach problems than just post roll gut stuff.

I over used mdma and mda for a couple years at at least 3 times a month, but more often once a week or more sometimes. I had some pretty bad short term memory problems, and obviously crazy ups and downs emotionally, but after I stopped for a few months I don't feel any lasting effects. Ive started smoking more pot ovjer that time, but have noticed my memory has gotten better lol, which makes me wonder just how bad my memory had gotten and maybe I didn't notice somehow. When i was drinking a ton, 6-7 beers 5-6 nights of the week after I quit opiates just to keep from going crazy, I could tell after a few months. I just felt more toxic. More off. It never bothered my emotional state much, though on the days I didn't drink I could tell some anxiety. There was even a bit before I was on milk thistle that I felt like I could feel my liver as im sure it was enlarged. But that too went away (doenst mean its not damaged) after I stopped drinking often, or much at a time.

In my opinion and experience, one would die much sooner by binging alcohol twice a month, as opposed to "binging" mdma twice a month. I feel like physically alcohol is more immediately dangerous to the body, and is less self limiting than mdma.

 

[burn out]

I haven't heard of too many people dying from drinking only twice a month though (not counting accidents). I had a friend who drank a fifth of vodka every day for 20 years before dying of a fentanyl overdose. If he could survive binge drinking every day for 20 years I can't imagine how long it would take to for him to die only drinking twice a month. Granted, I have no idea how people drink that much as I feel like I would be dead within a month or two if I attempted a fifth a day but I don't think drinking twice a month or taking MDMA twice a month is going to kill any healthy person any time soon so I am not sure the point of such a comparison.

Between those two I still maintain that MDMA is riskier in terms of causing long term damage, especially to one's psychological state. While the health effects of binge drinking are horrible, recovery generally occurs if alcohol abuse is ceased. The scary thing about MDMA is that many of the people suffering long term come downs have been abstaining from MDMA and are still suffering. That's what I maintain you don't see too often with alcohol, young people who no longer drink but are complaining that a six pack of beer screwed up their mind for a year.

 

[F.U.B.A.R.]

How much is a fifth in ml?

 

[Jopeth]

750 ml? That sounds right but Im just guessing.

 

[burn out]

yes 750

 

[MsDiz]

Sorry to hear about the miscarriage, that must have been pretty traumatic. I'm not disagreeing with you about the negative effects of alcohol binges, I just think heavy all night binges on MDMA on a monthly bases would just as bad if not worse.

Everyone reacts differently of course but some people seem able to drink copious amounts with little adverse effects. For example, I remember being at an AA meeting where a guy said he got drunk every day for 25 years but was now sober 5 years. I asked him if he had any lasting health effects from such long term alcohol abuse and he said, not really, maybe a little high blood pressure. There are also people who roll hundreds of times and report no long term damage. But just from what I've seen and experienced it seems to me that there are lot more people suffering long term effects from a relatively brief period of MDMA use/abuse than alcohol. When I think about all the people I went to school with and how much they drank and how they all seem fine now (of course I don't know their true health status) but they mostly have jobs, are married with kids, etc. I think that had they all been abusing MDMA instead, there would have been more causalities, at least in terms of psychological health.

I realize though I am from the USA and you are from the UK. I have read that in the UK people don't believe in the whole "you should only take MDMA twice a year" philosophy and it's normal for young people to go out and binge on it on the weekends as though it were alcohol. I even read some clubs were losing revenue because everyone was doing MDMA and no one was buying drinks. It's not like that here in the USA. People don't commonly binge on MDMA on the regular and the ones who do often get really screwed up. I personally have taken MDMA four times and the last times I had really bad come downs, with the last one being 5 days of many of the symptoms people describe in those long term come down posts. It was scary. More scary than any of the mutli day alcohol hangovers I've had and I decided to never take MDMA again after it. Maybe we Americans just can't tolerate MDMA.

Honestly the miscarriage never affected me and it’s probably because I was too drunk to register what happened and now looking back it feels more like a dream than reality. It doesn’t bother me though. I was way too young and a child would never have been a good idea at that stage so it was for the best. Not to sound harsh.

I get what you’re saying now after reading your recent posts.

I think physically if you studied people who were binge drinkers or drug users the drinkers would come out worse for sure. Mentally damaged I’d say you’re right and people who abuse drugs would probably be tipping the scale for that. Physical damage doesn’t always heal though, mental issues are more likely to, even if it sometimes takes ages.

I wouldn’t say U.K. or Ireland (where I’m from) has more drugs really. I think we’re more relaxed in our approach to them though. People are way more into booze than drugs though for sure, it’s a massive problem. The troubles caused lots of alcoholics who’s children became alcoholics and breaking out of that cycle is hard.

Like you’ve said though, different things affect people in different ways. Knowing your tolerances is a good thing. I don’t drink much now, if I went out I’d definitely get something for the night that wasn’t alcohol.

 

[FuckinAcidMan]

I took what I guess would be considered a "therapeutic" dose of adderall yesterday and didn't crave my evening beers really much at all and was able to go to bed without them after doing a lot more than I usually get done towards the end of the day.

Nothing too "productive" other than doing a stack of dishes that no one in the house wanted to go near cause it was daunting lol. Mostly art and making a nice fire out in the pit in the backyard. Oh I did my laundry I guess.

Uh rant about my evening aside is it normal for y'all to not crave alcohol when you have access to amps? I mean I know people drink when they're doing recreational doses of amphetamine to "tweak" because it smooths out the rough edges. I mean like if you had just taken a smaller amount for the mood lift and energy and found yourself not wanting to drink.

Is it the dopamine action maybe? There's the whole phenomena of heroin users in the UK switching to crack en masse at one point years back I believe.

Was just unexpected as I hadn't done adderall or any amps really for almost 7 years at this point and back then I wasn't much of a drinker.

 

[Larimar]

Once I started opiates I stopped drinking alcohol. I used to drink every night after putting the kids to bed , prob was a functioning alcoholic for 4-5 years and the euphoria and relaxation was why I drank . But once I started with the oxy drinking was a waste of the oxy and with the oxy I could still drive and they don’t hurt my body/ health at all . Much more expensive and the withdraw sucks if you don’t have any pills but opiates harm your body way less than alcohol so I see it as a plus . I hardly ever drink now and don’t get any enjoyment from it.

 

[SunriseChampion]

I stopped drinking when I first got into MDMA and didn't drink at all for the 8 months I was doing meth.

Yesterday got out of hand though. Pints on the balcony turned into 3 bottles of friggin wine with dinner. This self-isolation is going to kill me with pinot noir if I don't stop.

Now's as good a time as any to fuck off the drinking.....pubs are closed and I finished all my beer and wine last night....all I have left is 60% Tatratea Slovak Magic Liquor.

I think I'll save that for the real apocalypse.

I really want to stop drinking period... but there are times it really seems like the thing to do.

Yeah......I think that's what goes through my head.
I gotta give it a rest though.....I recently started having heart palpitations the day after drinking. That can't be good.


See that, @PrincessDiz ? You show up here and I stop drinking....you're like my angel.

Best know though....it's probably only because the football's been cancelled that I can do this now. Match days without pints is like trying to sleep with the lights on: fucking dumb.

 

[MsDiz]

I stopped drinking when I first got into MDMA and didn't drink at all for the 8 months I was doing meth.

Yesterday got out of hand though. Pints on the balcony turned into 3 bottles of friggin wine with dinner. This self-isolation is going to kill me with pinot noir if I don't stop.

Now's as good a time as any to fuck off the drinking.....pubs are closed and I finished all my beer and wine last night....all I have left is 60% Tatratea Slovak Magic Liquor.

I think I'll save that for the real apocalypse.




Yeah......I think that's what goes through my head.
I gotta give it a rest though.....I recently started having heart palpitations the day after drinking. That can't be good.


See that, @PrincessDiz ? You show up here and I stop drinking....you're like my angel.

Best know though....it's probably only because the football's been cancelled that I can do this now. Match days without pints is like trying to sleep with the lights on: fucking dumb.

hahaha!! Oh don’t worry, I know alcohol too well to believe it's grip on someone goes away due to something I’ve said. Even though I’m pretty angelic like! And football!! Ughhh! I do miss Saturday morning soccer am though.

When I was at uni I was part of a group who spoke out about legalising drugs and putting money into addiction treatments instead of prosecution. Honestly ever since I had the balls to try drugs I realised how awful and shit alcohol was. Even now if on the rare occasion I’m going out, I get some coke or ket, I never drink to excess if I can help it. Nice red with dinner is fine like but it’s just for the taste. A hot whiskey at night is also amazing when you’re sick, needs to be a damn good whiskey though.

I can’t wait until this isolation ends, I am slowly going crazy even though I’m an introvert, I still need the option to go out ffs! Would send ye to the drink as my granny said. Haha ironically.

 

[SunriseChampion]

hahaha!! Oh don’t worry, I know alcohol too well to believe it's grip on someone goes away due to something I’ve said. Even though I’m pretty angelic like! And football!! Ughhh! I do miss Saturday morning soccer am though.

I'm slowly dying inside from lack of footy. My soul is withering away.

When I was at uni I was part of a group who spoke out about legalising drugs and putting money into addiction treatments instead of prosecution. Honestly ever since I had the balls to try drugs I realised how awful and shit alcohol was. Even now if on the rare occasion I’m going out, I get some coke or ket, I never drink to excess if I can help it. Nice red with dinner is fine like but it’s just for the taste. A hot whiskey at night is also amazing when you’re sick, needs to be a damn good whiskey though.

Yeah, alcohol is indeed fucking ridiculous and dangerous and a prime example of the irrationality of our drugs laws.

I can’t wait until this isolation ends, I am slowly going crazy even though I’m an introvert, I still need the option to go out ffs! Would send ye to the drink as my granny said. Haha ironically.

I'm also decent at keeping to myself, though I'm quite social. I'm just good at being with myself and my own thoughts, but yeah, I'm humping the first person I run into when this is all done. And immediately going to a damn nice restaurant and spending like 200$ for dinner. Like the day they open.

 

[MsDiz]

I'm humping the first person I run into when this is all done

Hahahah!! Word!! Only so much fun you can have with a rabbit