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What would be the origin of the crisps debate? They are practically medicine for me as, especially in the summer, I am very prone to dehydration and hyponatraemia, so time to any kind of salty food is very helpful.
 
g0to said:
Aha I just read the wiki article on Olestra. I vaguely remember reading some warning about it on the back of a packet of crisps circa ~1997. Insane that they were initially marketing it as a weight loss drug, and when they put it in chips they had to add additional nutrients because the olestra itself drains fat-soluble nutrients from the body.. probably a huge reason that potato chips get such a bad rap nowadays.. Leaky-Anus Syndrome.. doesn't sound good at all!
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And it is common enough for it to have its own ICD-10 code (K62.89)
I wonder if there will ever a Leaky Anus Syndrome Foundation, fundraising telethons and the like.
 
Thanks, this is awesome feedback.

I am prepared to slow my taper and you raise great points which kind of align to my approach. Weekends blow out a bit, i accept this. Monday night comes around and i am focused again. I had a set back this week with some stressful news. But thurs night i was back to 4/5 ths a bottle.

This monday i am keen to get into the week well. 3/4 monday night. I will get to 1/2 bottle this week.
I am remembering dreams much more but not sleeping as deeply.

Adjusting to this and the evenings without alcohol ( until the latest part as per my process) is interesting. Im facing being sober but know i can have my couple of wind down glasses. Basically highlighted in posts above.

If i can get to my goal of 1/2 bottle i will be happy. More updates to come.
Thanks for support
 
I am unsure how i will fill the time and space as i get closer to facing true sobriety and as mentioned this is key. Thanks again for reiterating this. I am open and seeking whats right for me, thanks
 
Man, that’s a crucial part of the healing process

In addictions, we fill our free time by consuming the drug of choice. Consequently, we build our leisure around the drug. Once the drug is no longer present, we don’t know what to do with this free time. It is very difficult to deal with this and in my case was the main factor for my relapses with alcohol and that’s why I cannot stop smoking weed. It is like you need to reset your mindset, relearn how to live in another way, how to have fun with different things, in different ways, under different perspectives.

Things that can help you:

Choose one day per week to go out with your family exactly during the time that in general you would be drinking. Spend time your family out of the environment that you used to drink. Set up like one dinner in a restaurant per week (no alcohol), a movie session, visit your child’s grandparents, whatever. At the beginning, you are going to be pissed off doing these sort of things, because your mind is trained to drink, it wants alcohol at all costs. But go on, do this for your family, in the name of them, on their behalf.

Physical exercises but no gym or a gym with a personal trainer. My point here is that you need a compromise, a scheduled time to be there one day or more per week, at the time you used to drink. Try a collective sport. In the course of time, in terms of biochemistry, the brain gets a little bit restructured with constant exercises.

Get a pet, dude this is an excellent remedy, try a dog, a cockatiel, going out with it, running, long walks, take advantage to bring your children together.

Summarizing my ideas, you need to relearn how to live, that’s the secret to overcoming addiction. You’re lucky, you have family support, a job, financial stability, probably sober friends. Now you need to give more value to them and less or none to alcohol.

I am not seeing you like an addict, apparently, you like to enjoy your moments of pleasure, like all of us. I am not seeing you like losing your life with crack or heroin so that it will be easier to relearn how to live and enjoy your life from a different point of view.
 
I really appreciate all of that. Some of those ideas are great, my son is a bit young for us to stretch out nights (ehen i would enjoy alcohol) but your ideas are awesome and will help me find my best approach.

Everything you have said helps, thanks.

I will update again this week, will be aiming for 1/2 bottle by tuesday night! Again thanks for the helpful words. I will of course update this with how i progress in replacing my time and focus as well as my usage.
 
Having said this, i have enjoyed the clear headspace as i stave of the time i first start drinking wine.
On a night before attempting this, i was at glass one of wine at 630pm.
Full bottle gone by around 10ish and moving onto next bottle.

Now, (weeknights at least, im still drinking less on weekends but not as focused as weekdays) i wont have a glass before 830 or 9pm. Im slowing exposing my mind to the concept of unwinding in an evening without and I the wait is boring and hard but strangely clear. Lol
 
Yeah That’s the way.

This strangeness will go away with time as you fill your free time with meaningful tasks other than stay waiting the time to drink to come.

Take care with this approach, because in the course of time your mind is going to trick you in different ways. You’re going to have thoughts like, “why am I waiting until 9pm, it is already 8pm, today was a difficult day and I am allowed to drink early”

To be cured is to be in a state where is not necessary to fight everyday against the drug. It is a state that you can even see the drug and refuse it. So that’s why it is a relearning of how to live.
 
That's true, calories are calories in terms of energy. But in terms of positive nutritional content, which is important for health as well as utilizing that energy properly, what you eat is very important. And a lot of calorie-rich foods (like fast food) contain components that are actively bad for your health.
 
Ethanol is converted in acetate in the body, which means that the final product will be acetil-CoA, the precursor for Krebs' cycle and fat acid synthesis. Ultimately, ethanol will be used to synthesize ATP or be converted in triglycerides or ketone bodies
 
They are not the same! I lost weight as an alcoholic and got from 150 to 95 and I drank 3500 calories of wine every day. That's not including the small amounts I sometimes ate. If alcohol calories were the same I'd be gaining about 3lb per week not LOSING weight.
 
So it seems that either these calories counted negatively (joking) or other factors were responsible for your weight loss.

We need to take into account that since you did not eat well probably glucose levels were decreased in your body, meaning that amino acids were converted in glucose diminishing your muscular mass (your weight). In addition, fat acid metabolism was more accentuated in order to compensate the transformation of amino acids in glucose.

Metabolism (gain or lose of weight) will depend on which types of nutrients you are ingesting, but this does not mean that the calories are not fully counted. For imagine: if you consumed 3500 calories, where are they if they are not used or stored? Energy cannot be lost (disappear) only transformed.
 
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jose ribas da silva said:
So it seems that either these calories counted negatively (joking) or other factors were responsible for your weight loss.

We need to take into account that since you did not eat well probably glucose levels were decreased in your body, meaning that amino acids were converted in glucose diminishing your muscular mass (your weight). In addition, fat acid metabolism was more accentuated in order to compensate the transformation of amino acids in glucose.

Metabolism (gain or lose of weight) will depend on which types of nutrients you are ingesting, but this does not mean that the calories are not fully counted. For imagine: if you consumed 3500 calories, where are they if they are not used or stored? Energy cannot be lost (disappear) only transformed.
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Nope, nothing else. I ate a lot of dorito's and salted nuts,(about all I could bear to stomach, plus salt-cravings) too so add another 1000 calories easy there.
I think calories from alcohol - in chronic alcoholism - just aren't metabolized the same. I was completely inactive to. So we're talking 4500 calories a day, sedentary and LOSING weight, A lot of alcoholics lose weight due to malnutrition no matter how many calories you have in alcohol. I don't claim to understand the science behind it but it's true.
I think in normal drinkers, the calories are absorbed pretty much the same as regular calories, but I think in chronic alcoholism, your body looses the ability to process those calories.
 
Alcohol specialists said alcoholics have significant weight loss - most noticeably loss of muscle mass in the limbs - but look quite a bit heavier then they actually are due to severe bloating of the abdomen and face. Edema is very common, too. Once I gained like 17lb and my thighs swelled up huge from edema (was in a "sitting" position in hospital bed hence it being in the thighs rather than feet or lower legs( but I had acute pancreatitis at the time and was extremely unwell.
 
Tonight, 1/2 bottle. Very pleased. Still only on 1/4 doxylamine succcinate (25 mg tablet in total) tablet to help sleep.
Will let this plateau. My usage increases on weekends and im ok with that.

Last 2 nights no alcohol until 10pm. Getting more used to this.
 
Keep going

it is ok to drink on weekends, it does not count, it is socially accepted, try not to drink more than two bottles per day, nonetheless. But allow yourself moments of pleasure, this is important, especially considering how work routines can be exhausting. You don't need to be 100% sober, you can drink socially, if you are not a chronic alcoholic, which I believe be the case.

I am currently a social drinker, despite my alcohol addiction in the past. But that's because alcohol is not my drug of choice. For example, I cannot be a "normal user" of marijuana. I can't control my use with this drug. I can't control my use of cocaine so that I will be doing it until I finish everything that I have at that specific moment. So I cannot buy it, I will lose control. If you identify yourself in a similar situation with alcohol, it would be necessary to change your plans of tapering.

I am seeing you're in the right way, doing the right things to train your mind to enjoy life without a daily use of alcohol. That probably will be easier as your child grows up and interacts more. Family is the best support that you can have because if you cannot do something for you, you can do it for them. On weekends, try to perform an extenuating physical exercise, after that, you will probably eat a bit more, and the combination of exercises and more food will make alcohol less attractive, you will certainly drink less.
 
Hello all.I am new here, been lurking for a past few years so yeah.I ve been struggling with anxiety in the last few months, culminating with panic attacks last december.The symptoms have subsided, my only problem would be tinnitus at night and some times dizziness during the day.Also there are nights when i sleep very late.I didn t wanted to take anxiety meds, i heard they are nasty and i really don t like the idea of putting that in my system.So i ve purchased some passionflower, especially for the nights i can t sleep.But i heard it s a maoi, i am not incredible familiar with the word, i heard it has interactions.My worry is...does it interact with alcohol?Is it strong enough?A pill has 350 mg 4:1 extract from the flower, i just want to take one before bed.What do you all think?
 
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