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alcohol/ketamine/2c-b/cannabis - relatively experienced - burst blood vessel/wtf

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Last night, after a long day's work, I came home and decided to drink some beer to help me wind down for the evening. By the 4th beer I decided I would like to see how well ketamine synergizes with alcohol, so I did a 30mg line, which turned out to be lovely - I felt way more drunk than I should have after 4 beers, only I could still think clearly and my coordination was barely impaired at all. So, under the influence of alcohol and k, I decided that I should be tripping too, and did a 27mg rail of 2c-b.

I became disoriented and confused very quickly, but within a few minutes I mostly regained my senses. I started watching comedy central - the daily show turned out to be a very very good episode (with guest pat buchanon), and continued to watch comedy central for quite some time afterwards. I don't remember a lot of the details of the trip (probably from the alcohol/ketamine) but I do know that I had an enjoyable time getting down with the comedy and chatting with friends on irc.

Fast forward about 4 hours. I was feeling close to baseline, a pleasant +. I was still watching comedy central but something stupid came on so I figured I would wind down my night with some porn and a few hits of cannabis. About 15 minutes into the porn and a few minutes after the pot I noticed I was getting quite tired, but I was still looking at the porn so I put it out of my mind. A couple more minutes and a lot more tired later, I started to notice that I wasn't actually tired - in fact, I was blacking out. As I started to lose my vision I panicked and ran to the bathroom to drink some water as I figured maybe I was dehydrated. The water helped a little bit so I went to pee as I hadn't done so in a while....

The first thing I remember after regaining consciousness was laying on the floor next to the toilet, extremely dazed and struggling to get back on my feet. As I slowly got myself reoriented with my surroundings, I looked down by the toilet and saw splotches of red liquid of the floor. I was too dazed to realize what it was, that is until I looked down at my chest and saw the same red liquid dripping down it. A few seconds later I realized that I was bleeding profusely from the nostril I had snorted the 2c-b in. I panicked again and ran to the kitchen to get some paper towels to help stop the bleeding and to clean up a bit, but after trying unsuccessfully to tear paper towels off the roll, I found myself regaining consciousness on my kitchen floor in a pool of blood. I also noticed that now one of my toes really hurt - turns out in my confusion I apparently jammed it really hard. I may have sprained it, I'm not sure. Anyway, I managed to keep myself conscious just long enough for me to plug my nose and lay down for several minutes. Once I felt somewhat normal again I took a long shower and went to sleep.


I'm under the impression that a blood vessel somewhere in my nasal passages burst. I have never in my life lost so much blood through my nose without having received a direct physical injury to it (and my nose doesn't hurt so I'm ruling that out). Blowing my nose frequently throughout the day today, I was still clearing blood out of my sinuses 12 hours later. And I don't even get nosebleeds, usually 2 or 3 per year. I'm now convinced that the 2c-b burn isn't a psychosomatic effect - the compound actually damages the linings of your nasal passages.

This is my first trip report ever, and I'm pretty experienced with psychedelics. Any thoughts and comments are appreciated. Peace, and be safe.
 
I had a cat scratch my arm when I was on 2c-b and I noticed that it bled for about an hour... normally I stop bleeding after a few minutes.

Anyways, I would lay off the psychedelics while drinking... the two just really do not go hand in hand. Passing out on psychedelics is not a fun experience, as I'm sure you well learned.
 
My advice/opinions?

1 - Use 2C-B orally or rectally. Snorting it not only painful and obviously harmful to your nose, but the effects are a mere shadow of what they are when taken orally. Snorting 2Cs is not recommended at all. I'm not sure why anyone does it.

2 - Don't combine alcohol and K

3 - Don't combine alcohol and K and 2C-B

4 - Don't combine alcohol and 2C-B

5 - DO combine 2C-B and K, but only if you're going to do enough K to enter the K-hole while you're already tripping on the 2C-B.
 
Alcohol and K gives me nasty hangovers.
Alcohol and MDMA gives me nasty hangovers.
Alcohol and 2C's give me nasty hangovers.
Alcohol and tryptamines gives me nasty hangovers.
Alcohol gives me nasty hangovers all by itself... but the combos make it worse if I drink too much (which I tend to when 'on something' since I can seemingly take more).

If I keep alcohol to a low level, like under a litre of beer, I will be fine with alcohol in combination, but it requires extra liquid intake before going to sleep.

Regarding bleeding... several people on BL have reported that they experienced more intense bleeds (delayed blood-clotting) on 2C-i. I have experienced this too, with a persistent blood drip from my gums one day on 2C-i. The next day there was no trace of it even when brushing my teeth vigorously.
 
The only psychedelic that I enjoy alcohol on the comedown of is DOC, and even then, I rarely do. It gives me an inhuman tolerance though, whereas since I hate alcohol and I'm thin, I normally have a pathetically low tolerance.
 
Above I was referring to beyond moderate consumption prior to and during the peak. Having a few on a comedown is mucho preferable.
 
you didn't puke after snorting 27mg of 2cb? i don't adhere to the snorting 2c's belief after learning the hard way, but admittedly the intense visuals post yak were rather nice.
 
Your brain is smarter than your stomach, you just have to learn how to control your bodily functions. I've only ever puked on ayahuasca and hbwr, and one time on mescaline (but that was intentional), and I've got quite the psychedelic repertoire under my belt. Oh and a couple times after drinking a lot of alcohol, but dizziness is a different story...

And delsyd/xorkoth I agree with you guys. I always drink a little bit on the doc comedown, if nothing else, to help me sleep. However I liked alcohol before 2c-i as it made the trip a bit crazier, I figured 2c-b might be the same way. And I don't like ketamine (I've only tried it 3 times), but that small 30mg bump with the alcohol was great.


Just so you know, please don't misinterpret my report - I had quite an enjoyable trip, but the damage to my nasal linings combined with elevated blood pressure from porn and cannabis (does pot raise anybody else's blood pressure?) just wasn't a good combination and ended badly.
 
^ i think what you're referring to is perspective, regardless of what your drug resume is. throwing up for me is not a negative thing, i look at it as my body telling me to abort whatever i'm doing, a big fat DO NOT WANT, and i won't trick it into thinking that holding it in is a wise move. my belt is remarkably seasoned as well, but like i say... perspective :)
 
Mean Girl said:
^ i think what you're referring to is perspective, regardless of what your drug resume is. throwing up for me is not a negative thing, i look at it as my body telling me to abort whatever i'm doing, a big fat DO NOT WANT, and i won't trick it into thinking that holding it in is a wise move. my belt is remarkably seasoned as well, but like i say... perspective :)

That may be true, but, sometimes purging is highly inconvenient and/or undesirably conspicuous. I find it comforting that I can for example, take 2c-b/2c-e/mdma at a party and not draw unwanted attention to myself. (By the way that was a lousy combination, but that's an entirely different story.)


And 7zark7, the official explanation of 'experience' in 'SUBSTANCE (Dose - Optional) - Experience - "Title"' (or lack thereof) is very vague. I put 'relatively experienced' as I've had probably somewhere between 30 and 50 psychedelic/empathogenic experiences, but 2c-b has only been in my bloodstream 4 times, plus I've never tried this combination.
 
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