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Al-lad or 4-aco-dmt as first real trip?

viridarius

viridarius

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Okay, I've been trying to decide if i should do Al-lad or 4-aco-dmt as my first true psychedelic experience. Up until now i've done a sub-breakthrough dose of dmt, several high plateau dxm trips, a very trippy but nonvisual trip on Hawaiian Baby Wood rose seeds, and shrooms twice though the dose was just above threshhold. In ready for something more intense and visual. My choices are 4-aco-dmt or al-lad. I-ve already decided on my dose for either. I'll either take 50mg 4-aco-dmt or 300mcg of al-lad(maube 450mcg) the trip will take place in my room with my light off, laying in bed, listening to music. Which do you guy think would be a better. trip in that setting? Which will be the most visual? Best enhancement of music? Anything you guys can recommend for my first trip?
 
That's a lot of 4-Aco-DMT. You probably should consider lowering your dosage. Some people can take off with just 15 mg. But generally 25-35 mg of the fumurate is adequate. You can take 50 mg safely...but do you really want to? I've done 4-AcO-DMT a lot, and I don't think I'd ever want to take 50 mg without any tolerance built up. I've never taken Al-LAD, so I can't give you my opinion on that one, but 4-AcO-DMT is a fine pick for first time.
 
Hmm one person saying that al-lad is underwelming and a person saying 4-aco-dmt is a good choice. Hmmm. Is the dose really too high? I mean I'm going for full on out of body, experiencing god, being at one with everything kind of trip with really intense visuals. Maybe some ego death. From everything I've read it seems like 50mg is where i would find what I'm looking for.
 
Yeah probably. Supposedly the high kind of plateaus out at 300 mcgs (or so some people on bluelight told me)
 
From what I've read that doesn't seem to be true. There definitely seems to be more intensity to a 450mcg trip than an 300mcg trip. Of course this could just be due to the reports being written by different people. Like you said, mileage varys from person to person.
 
I'd think a bit about lowering the doses on either of them. I personally enjoyed AL-LAD more than 4-AcO-DMT, but ymmv. Dose for both was... ~225ug's and I believe 27mg's respectively.
 
If i choose al-lad I'm definitely going for at least 300mcg. As for 4-aco-dmt, i may lower my dose to 35mg-40mg. That's the lowest dose i think i could vet what i want from this trip. I'm not so much looking for a enjoyable trip but an intense one.
 
4-Aco-DMT was indistinguishable from a shroom trip for me. Still an amazing fun time though. 20-25mgs is what I would do when I took it.

~250ug of AL-LAD spread out over a couple of hours was a very fun low-intensity trip that lasted 5-6 hours and then died off completely. Felt similar to maybe 2 grams of mushrooms.

However 300ug of AL-LAD taken all together at once, is up there with some of my favorite psychedelic experiences so far. Very intense visuals and distortions. So much so that if I picked up a can of soda, and the can was red, everything in my entire field of vision would get painted with waves of red for about 2-3 minutes. Anxiety was minimal, although obviously you get a tingly energetic body high. It was a bit more "inward" than LSD was, but not any less mental. Out of all the classical-esque psychedelics I have done I would say AL-LAD was the least paranoia or fear inducing. It was very similar a television or hollywood depiction of an acid trip. No downside to it really, I plan on my next trip being another ~300ug AL-LAD experience. Thumbs up from me. Sleep was hard to achieve 7 hours after dosing, but was able to get some shut eye after the 8 hour mark.

Keep in mind I was also smoking weed throughout all of these experiences which definitely brings shit up a notch.

I don't know I can make a choice for you, but personally AL-LAD was top notch. Although both were great psychedelic experiences and would be suitable for a first trip. Also, dosing from a blotter is much easier than weighing out miligrams in my opinion. I would just make sure you get it from a good source, it's new compared to 4-Aco-DMT and I know that after the first synth there wasn't any going around for a while.... didn't it get scheduled in a few places too?
 
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Depends on what you want from a trip. Al-lad for a unique experience but be prepared for no mind fuck states.
4-aco-dmt if you want a massively visual trip. I believe it's a potential breakthrough compound. Also I would say that 4-aco-dmt is the easiest psy to take in the sense of effects vs side effects.
 
cousinskeeter said:
4-Aco-DMT was indistinguishable from a shroom trip for me. Still an amazing fun time though. 20-25mgs is what I would do when I took it.

~250ug of AL-LAD spread out over a couple of hours was a very fun low-intensity trip that lasted 5-6 hours and then died off completely. Felt similar to maybe 2 grams of mushrooms.

However 300ug of AL-LAD taken all together at once, is up there with some of my favorite psychedelic experiences so far. Very intense visuals and distortions. So much so that if I picked up a can of soda, and the can was red, everything in my entire field of vision would get painted with waves of red for about 2-3 minutes. Anxiety was minimal, although obviously you get a tingly energetic body high. It was a bit more "inward" than LSD was, but not any less mental. Out of all the classical-esque psychedelics I have done I would say AL-LAD was the least paranoia or fear inducing. It was very similar a television or hollywood depiction of an acid trip. No downside to it really, I plan on my next trip being another ~300ug AL-LAD experience. Thumbs up from me. Sleep was hard to achieve 7 hours after dosing, but was able to get some shut eye after the 8 hour mark.

Keep in mind I was also smoking weed throughout all of these experiences which definitely brings shit up a notch.

I don't know I can make a choice for you, but personally AL-LAD was top notch. Although both were great psychedelic experiences and would be suitable for a first trip. Also, dosing from a blotter is much easier than weighing out miligrams in my opinion. I would just make sure you get it from a good source, it's new compared to 4-Aco-DMT and I know that after the first synth there wasn't any going around for a while.... didn't it get scheduled in a few places too?
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Yeah it got scheduled in the uk. Its legal-ish where i am. I was leaning towards al-lad and after reading your post i think that's what I'm going to go with. Mostly because, like you said, its easier to dose. Witg the 44-aco-dmt i would have to measure out 100mg and use water measurement from there. I'm not sure i could find someone else to trip with me(and i kinda want to trip alone) and seeing as how bad 4-aco-dmt keeps in water it would just be a waste. Also, I've read up a lot on these chemicals and though i want to try them both at some point i feel like I'm liking what I'm hearing about al-lad a bit more.
 
I can't comment on 4-aco-dmt stoarge in water but if it doesn't dissolve then dosing that way is pointless.

psynce says that 4-aco-dmt is more visual. My trips have found both chems to be very visual, with a 300ug dose of AL-LAD much more visual than 20mg of 4-aco-dmt. Don't expect to talk to your great-grandfather from beyond the crypt though, it's not that kind of trip :)

But everyone is different, I don't doubt psynce's claims at all, we just seem to have had differing experiences. Like I said I find AL-LAD to be much less anxiety inducing, which is actually honestly the main reason for preferring it. If you are unsure of dosing, and/or don't have a proper scale then taking a tab is a better option. I guess for an allergy test you could cut off a tiny snip and put it under the tongue just to be that much more peaceful in mind about what you bought? I also would not go over 300ug, and would even probably recommend a lower dose if this if your first real trip. Also getting someone who can watch or hang out with you might be a good idea too, just for help or reassurance when you may need it. I personally wasn't comfortable with tripping by myself for a while.

I've had bad psychological reactions that persisted for days, even weeks after the trip because I though I was hot shit when taking a new drug and went balls deep. These things aren't toys, they can really show you things about yourself and about the world you would have never let cross your mind before. Have fun and be safe :)
 
AL-LAD is the ideal "first trip" drug in my opinion. Friendly, very visual, interesting without being overwhelming. I'd start with 300 ug.

Burnt Offerings said:
Yeah probably. Supposedly the high kind of plateaus out at 300 mcgs (or so some people on bluelight told me)
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That's not remotely true. AL-LAD increases in intensity and I find each dose has its own character.
 
I hate to drag up an ancient thread but a friend of mine who is identical to me in every way had his first trip ages ago and described it to me in such detail it was almost exactly like being there. I've been planning on writing a trip report (for him) since then but haven't been able to get on but plan on changing that. It ended up being on acid. He's had 3 more since. 2 on acid and one on bk-2c-b. Also, though he doesn't consider it a proper psychedelic trip, he says some mxe experiences he's had since are also noteworthy .
 
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