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AL-LAD Now available in UK

I also got lots of purples but also pastel oranges. I think this came about from the setting though - boomtown lit up their trees in these exact colours and looking down from mayfair onto hidden woods there were times I thought there must have been a perfect reflection or something and once this happened they kept appearing.

Think I'll be trialling 450ug sometime soon, probably tomorrow or this weekend. Excited to say the least!
 
So I was wondering - how likely is it that AL-LAD and/or LSZ could become subject to a temporary class drug order in the UK in the same vein as the 25x-NBOME ban?

Not being very familiar with the UK drug policy, it is not clear to me whether a novel psychoactive substance would first have to be involved in a couple of highly publicized trainwreck situations and reveal itself as a potential health hazard before the government brings the hammer down on it, or whether they are just as happy to ban pretty much any new drug without any particular rhyme or reason.

Obviously, there are substances out there, e.g. AMT, that have been available for a long time, are not exactly unknown, and yet they retain their legality, so it would appear that there is some hope(?).

Let's say that the popularity of AL-LAD/LSZ will continue to grow, and let's also assume for the sake of argument that the safety profile of both is in the same class as LSD, i.e. very good. Could this be the saving grace that will keep them legal by not giving the government a convenient excuse to outlaw them?
 
It's got nothing to do with the safety profile - if it gets in the papers it gets banned. AMT has been linked to 2 or 3 deaths recently so that'll be banned soon.
 
2 or 3? I've only heard of the one.

I love it, "linked". I am linked to several deaths. Presumably I should be banned.
 
Indeed...

If the media gets hold of a "Legal LSD" story, these compounds could go down fast, simply coz of the stigma of LSD. If we have to await fatalities or other serious health problems, which seem pretty unlikely but that didn't stop the banning of LSD, then it should take a good while...
 
If they get banned in the UK I hope some other European vendors start carrying them. They are too good to just go away.
 
I can't see these things being around long enough to be banned, unless more is coming and it doesn't seem to be.
 
Not yet, but I'm sure they will be eventually. Otherwise they might as well legalise all lysergamides (not that I'd be against that)...
 
... if they get big or noticed legislation will be quicker, but maybe not if they drift away from commercial sale & slip from the public eye, if they're sold only through email or social vending we might get lucky. Certainly something new has happened, in chemistry, & eventually these new skills will leak into the underground & if a "demand" for these developes anyway, or if they become commercially available again & in greater & cheaper quantities obviously their profile will be raised.

I fail to see the need for a ban for any reason other than media frenzy at present. Why ban any drug regardless of it's effects, if it causes no problems whatsoever? I can't see there being any other than psychological risks, which are nontheless not to be underestimated.
 
I obviously don't want details, but does anyone think synthesis details are in the public domain yet? Or is it just one guy with the skillz?
 
There's a synth by Shulgin, so that's public, but also, Ceres posted a link to a report on novel synthesis routes for LSD-like drugs (without having LSD as a precursor or intermediate step) some time ago, in this thread, which I had to moderate into oblivion.

So the answer is yes, with kisses.
 
Don't get too excited, a synth may be public but it can also be difficult! It's not just a matter of knowing the procedure, there are precursors, lab equipment and (if we're being industrial) plant to obtain, and they have to be put somewhere and looked after appropriately.
 
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There's a synth by Shulgin, so that's public, but also, Ceres posted a link to a report on novel synthesis routes for LSD-like drugs (without having LSD as a precursor or intermediate step) some time ago, in this thread, which I had to moderate into oblivion.

So the answer is yes, with kisses.
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Supposedly it's not a good one and the current production uses a more efficient one.

Anyone with enough knowledge care to guess about the existence of other still legal, effective and good lysergamides?
 
Been reading this thread for last couple of days and just finished it and boy oh boy am I excited. Recently lost my only source of LSD, so pretty chuffed that this is available and for less than I was paying for acid :3 (the guy was the biggest douchebag ever). I'm on holiday atm so I can't order any but I'm planning to when I fist get back, I am curious to know why everyone keeps saying it's going to run out soon? Surely assuming the price tag of £8 a hit the vendor isn't just doing this because he wants to expand peolpes minds. If there's a high demand and it's legal why would anyone stop making this?
 
According to a source from another board (credibility unknown) the current stuff is manufactured by a professional lab.

@knoc
Sorry, didn't notice your post before.. this new synth is probably the reason we're only seeing them mass produced now. I mean if you have LSD as an intermediary you might as well sell that. People like it and filtering out enough to make it undetectable in your final product will make your yields suck.
 
Made to produce? Acid my dear fellow how do you know these things?
 
This batch is definitely running low... But re-sellers may have bought TONS of the stuff & could be profiting from it for some time, espcially as they have bumped the price up somewhat, as this will reduce the amount they sell.

I'd expect the original supplier to reappear with a new synth as well as new products by early 2014. No guarrantees, he's probably bought a house in Bermuda & we may never see him again ;)

But that will not mean the end of Al-Lad or LSz. There will always be supply where there is demand! Any new techniques in chemitry WILL leak out & I wouldnt be surprised if both these compounds end up being churned out industrially within five years.
 
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