Heroin air in the rig?

[kitty hcl]

sooo, what's up everyone?

I've got a question that I've been searching for the answer for, for like, weeks now.
i'm not new to dope, or opiates in general, but just recently took the plunge into the iv world due to curiosity, and tolerance issues.
just to paint you guys a picture, i'm a female, small, 100 pounds if that and I have tiny veins.

so here's the question, when I go to register I get air being pulled back up into the rig, instead of that beautiful crimson flash.
eventually I get it, but it takes FOREVER, and sometimes I have to use the tops of my hands, which sucks, cause the tracks are way more visible.
I know sometimes when that happens its just creating suction in the rig, but most of the time I KNOW i'm in the vein and when I pull back, i'm still getting air.
i'm using bd 1/2 in 1cc rigs if that's any help.

thanks a bunch guys.

 

[CruelBri]

Some advice


My girlfriend had the same issue.


Use a tournicat or however u spell it. I hope u know what i mean.

Do some pushups or something before hand to get your blood flowing.

make a fist with ur hand and let go and keep doing that, especially if u are tied off. It also helps get the veins to pop up.


IF YOU ARE NOT drawing blood into the syringe, then you are I REPEAT YOU ARE NOT IN THE VEIN.

also do not get discouraged and your panties in a bunch ( My ex would almost cry, cause it would take me 1 second and her 10 minutes)

Relax, take a deep breath. and focus. do some research on some areas that are easy to hit. but like i mentioned above your best bet is to tie off and pump ur first until u see a vein. or start doing some pushups / working out before hand and that will definetly make ur veins show more.

 

[crzydiamond]

Pull back a little bit as soon as you break skin. Then as soon as you enter a vein you will get the immediate flash.

And yes if you do not get blood you are not in vein. You may have went through it, you may have pushed it aside, but if your needle is in the vein you will get the blood flash.

 

[kitty hcl]

thanks guys, ill definitely have to try the push up thing. i do use a turniquet, but was still having this issue, i was beginning to think i was made of air, hahah.

 

[speedballs_over]

Needle hole up, you may be pulling the bottom of that vein up and blocking it. Very common. Or use more water...

 

[kitty hcl]

yeah always do it with the beveled end pointing up, i mean, before i took the plunge i did my research. well, as much of it as i could. and im curious, how mych water is standard use? i usually use 1/2 cc per bag.

 

[CruelBri]

yeah always do it with the beveled end pointing up, i mean, before i took the plunge i did my research. well, as much of it as i could. and im curious, how mych water is standard use? i usually use 1/2 cc per bag.

thats about right. half cc per bag. another thing that is very essential that i forgot to mention is STAYING HYDRATED...


DRINK TONS OF WATER before you go to bed and when you wake up. And i mean a LOT of water...

 

[crzydiamond]

Water is really up to you. I always did about 20cc whether I did 1 bag or 5 bags. I get ECP though, I imagine if it were tar you'd need more

EDIT--I meant 20 units, on a 1/2 cc or 1 cc syringe. Not 20 cc ! Big difference sorry.

 

[kitty hcl]

yeah ecp for me too, maybe i should try more water. the only thing is im using smaller rigs since i find them easier to use, which means if i were to use more water thatd mean splitting the shot up in two.

edit; what size rigs do you use?

 

[crzydiamond]

Preferred 1/2 cc. Sometimes used 1cc. Usually used about 20 units. Oh I think I made a typo on previous post I meant 20 units not 20 cc lol. Haven't used in about a year though. It was kinda time to move on

Why do you want to use more water? If its ECP it should dissolve readily. Heck, I've used 10-15 units on a 3 bag shot before. Heroin is very soluble. The only time you really *need* more water is if you're shooting morphine pills or something like that.

 

[RedHandedDenial]

I'm gonna second what everyone else had said, if you're not getting blood, youre not in, period. I know this to be true from personal experIence because when I first started I could never register and like you,I swore up and down I was in when I wasn't, and I now know I want in all those times I thought I was because the first time I actually did register I felt it so much better. Are u getting a rush? Most likely not

 

[fukme]

I can't find the direct quote but I will paraphrase the Priest Himself, William S. Burroughs: "If bubbles of air in a rig were fatal, there would not be a junky alive"

 

[kitty hcl]

redhandeddenial- its weird, i have gotten rushes, but only with using the veins on the tops of my hands. i think outta all the times ive used this way, there was once where i registered in the crook of my arm, and i got a rush then. i dont push off when i get air back in the rig.

to all you guys who've posted, thankyou so so much, this definitely cleared alot up for me.

 

[RedHandedDenial]

another thing if you're missing (which it sounds like) is that yo uprobably ahve small bumps from it. when i first started i would have these little bumps everywhere and i just took it to be an allergic reaction but like i said, when i finally did start hitting i realized that all those bumps were misses

 

[Dr.AngelMD]

A few more tricks and tips

This is all really good information that CruelBri wrote. The push up part isn't necessary, do what she said tie a tourniquet tightly around your upper arm or if you're going to hit your wrist tie it 4 inches from your wrist, hold your arm/wrist below your heart as in hang it off the edge of your bed, open and close your hand in to a fist repeatedly, when you're ready to guide the needle into your vain first take an alcohol swab and rub it over the vain you want to hit (the alcohol helps two ways one and the obvious is that is cleans the injection site, and two most people don't know this but alcohol will make the vain rise, which will give you a much easier target to hit. You just have to rub the swab over the injection site hard). Lightly slapping the vain will also help the vain to rise up a little bit as well.

oh and if you pull back while the needle is under your skin and you get air you are definitely not in the vain. If you got a little blood and air chances are the needle went through the vain and if that happens slowly pull the syringe back keeping the air bubble inThis is all really good information that CruelBri wrote. The push up part isn't necessary, do what she said tie a tourniquet tightly around your upper arm or if you're going to hit your wrist tie it 4 inches from your wrist, hold your arm/wrist below your heart as in hang it off the edge of your bed, open and close your hand in to a fist repeatedly, when you're ready to guide the needle into your vain first take an alcohol swab and rub it over the vain you want to hit (the alcohol helps two ways one and the obvious is that is cleans the injection site, and two most people don't know this but alcohol will make the vain rise, which will give you a much easier target to hit. You just have to rub the swab over the injection site hard). Lightly slapping the vain will also help the vain to rise up a little bit as well.

oh and if you pull back while the needle is under your skin and you get air you are definitely not in the vain. If you got a little blood and air chances are the needle went through the vain and if that happens slowly pull the syringe back keeping the air bubble in side it and when you pull back into the vain you will see the red burst and you'll be good to push the drug.

Like I said CruelBri gave really good advice I just thought I would add a few more small tricks I learned while I was a Paramedic.

Good luck to you, and if you have any more questions don't be afraid to message me. And remember, be safe