Agent: I was ordered to let U.S. guns into Mexico

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ATF agent says "Fast and Furious" program let guns "walk" into hands of Mexican drug cartels with aim of tracking and breaking a big case

(CBS News)

WASHINGTON - Federal agent John Dodson says what he was asked to do was beyond belief.

He was intentionally letting guns go to Mexico?

"Yes ma'am," Dodson told CBS News. "The agency was."

An Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms senior agent assigned to the Phoenix office in 2010, Dodson's job is to stop gun trafficking across the border. Instead, he says he was ordered to sit by and watch it happen.

Investigators call the tactic letting guns "walk." In this case, walking into the hands of criminals who would use them in Mexico and the United States.

Dodson's bosses say that never happened. Now, he's risking his job to go public.

"I'm boots on the ground in Phoenix, telling you we've been doing it every day since I've been here," he said. "Here I am. Tell me I didn't do the things that I did. Tell me you didn't order me to do the things I did. Tell me it didn't happen. Now you have a name on it. You have a face to put with it. Here I am. Someone now, tell me it didn't happen."

Agent Dodson and other sources say the gun walking strategy was approved all the way up to the Justice Department. The idea was to see where the guns ended up, build a big case and take down a cartel. And it was all kept secret from Mexico.

ATF named the case "Fast and Furious."

Surveillance video obtained by CBS News shows suspected drug cartel suppliers carrying boxes of weapons to their cars at a Phoenix gun shop. The long boxes shown in the video being loaded in were AK-47-type assault rifles.

So it turns out ATF not only allowed it - they videotaped it.

Documents show the inevitable result: The guns that ATF let go began showing up at crime scenes in Mexico. And as ATF stood by watching thousands of weapons hit the streets... the Fast and Furious group supervisor noted the escalating Mexican violence.

One e-mail noted, "958 killed in March 2010 ... most violent month since 2005." The same e-mail notes: "Our subjects purchased 359 firearms during March alone," including "numerous Barrett .50 caliber rifles."

Dodson feels that ATF was partly to blame for the escalating violence in Mexico and on the border. "I even asked them if they could see the correlation between the two," he said. "The more our guys buy, the more violence we're having down there."

full @ http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/03/03/eveningnews/main20039031.shtml?tag=contentMain;contentBody
 
Now this man went public and is doing the right thing. See this is why I get mad when people on here say "Oh good im glad another 3 DEA agents got killed today better than a bluelighter dying!"

It's from an unrelated article but my motto is and has always been:

Unnecessary death is always a tragedy, no matter who it is.
 
^remember that when this guy get's snuffed for opening his mouth :\


weren't 50 cal snipers what killed those 3 boarder agents too? We are our own worst enemy...

*edit* omg I think they actually come right out and say we killed our own boys in the article =(
 
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Nobody else thinks it's a coincidence that we trained the founding members of the Zetas drug cartel, perhaps the most powerful and violent one at the moment, here in Ft Bragg?

And now our agents are admitting they let weapons go into mexico?

USA is the #1 supplier of weapons. Where the fuck do you think all these RPG's and shit the cartels use come from? They are stolen by people with inside access to military equipment. I guarantee you or me could not just get into a military base and steal some fully-auto M16's, AK47's, and RPG's.

The whole war on drugs stinks of a big inside job.
 
The ends DON'T justify the means. The US government is fucked up right now.

I have to ask - and obviously this is an opinion question - but what are the ends?

I mean, let's just take everything here as the word of god, so to speak. Let's assume this is all absolutely 100%.

WHAT'S THE FUCKING END-GAME?

ATF obviously knows they could do this, find out where they went, and arrest leaders of the cartels (in theory). However, anyone w/o a mental handicap knows that such power vacuums are filled immediately. So, the ATF obviously knows that all they'd do is get certain people out of a cartel, only to watch others take their places right away. And in the end, there's far more weaponry available.
SOooo, how does that help us? Again, what's the end game? Maybe 'better'/higher levels of border violence, thus allowing the US to increase border-operations/penetration? To be fair, regardless of ideological differences, I can't say I think entire organizations like the ATF (or even the DEA) are unaware of the futility of their work, so there's *gotta* be some other 'ends'/goal in mind, but I just cannot fathom what it'd be (well, I can, but would like to hear others' thoughts 1st ;-P )
 
And if nothing else, HUGE props to the guy for having the nuts to be a whistleblower in such circumstances, clearly there's huge risk, probably more than us 'outsiders' of the situation know - but surely he does... I'm hoping he's still around in 5-10yrs..
 
Now this man went public and is doing the right thing. See this is why I get mad when people on here say "Oh good im glad another 3 DEA agents got killed today better than a bluelighter dying!"

It's from an unrelated article but my motto is and has always been:

Unnecessary death is always a tragedy, no matter who it is.

I won't disagree with that.

A question needs to be fielded: how can we end the drug war? Will civil disobedience end it? Will exponential production of novel psychoactives end it? Will cultural saturation (in psychedelic experience) end it? Or will it not end until those who wage it end?

Some say the world will end in fire,
Some say in ice.
From what I’ve tasted of desire
I hold with those who favor fire.
But if it had to perish twice,
I think I know enough of hate
To say that for destruction ice
Is also great,
And would suffice.
 
if there are no guns, then the cartels cant protect the loads, if they cant protect the loads it won't get smuggled, if it doesnt get smuggled the DEA has nothing to do. No one wants to end the war on drugs--even as lame as it is--because there are too many hands in the cookie jar and too much money to be made.

Those new .50BMG barrett rifles are nuts....you can shoot a helicopter down like a sparrow with a .22
 
those 50 caliber M82s are badass

foreal man


can practically bring down an aircraft

if I was a military sniper I would want one

scary these mexcanns have some

NSFW:
M82rifle.jpg
 
if there are no guns, then the cartels cant protect the loads, if they cant protect the loads it won't get smuggled, if it doesnt get smuggled the DEA has nothing to do. No one wants to end the war on drugs--even as lame as it is--because there are too many hands in the cookie jar and too much money to be made.



^^^^^^^

100% correct
 
^ Which, unrelated as it may be to this article as it may be, is why drugs have such a hard time being legalized. How many people does the DEA employ? Imagine all those people out of work? Sure the government would just absorb them into other criminal justice applications but I doubt they would enjoy it.

I won't disagree with that.

A question needs to be fielded: how can we end the drug war? Will civil disobedience end it? Will exponential production of novel psychoactives end it? Will cultural saturation (in psychedelic experience) end it? Or will it not end until those who wage it end?


It ends with more drug awareness (instead of propaganda like 'Reefer Madness') and more people such as ourselves who are more drug friendly running for political office to MAKE it happen.
 
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It ends with more drug awareness (instead of propaganda like 'Reefer Madness') and more people such as ourselves who are more drug friendly running for political office to MAKE it happen.

that's gonna have to be you running cuz I've got felonies

I'd vote for you except I can't vote
 
the drug war will not end. No point in fantasising(sp?) about it. Working towards decriminaliztation, hoping for more transparency of distribution, advancements in treatment and education, etc etc are what we need to do.
Drugs will never be OTC. NEVER, not in our lives anyways. While we may want that ideologically, it's not a reality, so all we can work towards is the aforementioned goals (and others, like border control, weapons reductions, fully separating drugs from crimes, etc etc)
 
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