After 59 Bodies Found, Protests Sweep Mexico

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Julian Miglierini is in Mexico City: "Some say maybe the government should be negotiating with some of these cartels"
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MEXICO'S DRUGS WAR

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Protests in more than 20 Mexican cities against drug-related violence have been interrupted by news of the discovery of 59 bodies.

The bodies were found in Tamaulipas state by police investigating the abduction of bus passengers.

The area is a hotspot in the violence related to drug trafficking that is ravaging parts of Mexico.

The violence was condemned by protesters in the main square in Mexico City, who chanted: "No more blood!"

Some called for President Felipe Calderon to resign, saying his strategy had exacerbated the bloodshed.

About 35,000 Mexicans have died in drug-related violence since the president began deploying the army to fight the cartels in December 2006.

The demonstrations were inspired by poet and journalist Javier Sicilia, whose son was killed last week.

Mr Sicilia has blamed Mexican politicians as well as criminal gangs for the violence, saying they have "torn apart the fabric of the nation".
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At the scene
image of Julian Miglierini Julian Miglierini BBC News, Mexico City

It is one of the first occasions that Mexicans, in their thousands and simultaneously around the country, have taken to the streets to protest against the violence of the so-called "drugs war".

At the Zocalo, Mexico City's main square, the chant most often made was "No more blood!". A diverse crowd - families, union members, young people and elderly citizens - expressed their frustration with the increasing number of innocent civilians killed in the battle between drug cartels and the security forces.

Many demonstrators carried banners calling for President Felipe Calderon to quit, since - they said - his strategy against organised crime was not working.

Small demonstrations were also held in New York, Buenos Aires, Paris, Madrid and other cities around the world.
Mass graves

The bodies were found in eight separate graves in the area of San Fernando, police said - with 43 corpses found in a single grave.

Authorities in Tamaulipas said they had found the graves while investigating reports that, late last month, buses in the area had been stopped and passengers pulled off and kidnapped .

In a raid, 11 people were arrested, while five others being held captive by the alleged kidnappers were freed.

A state minister told the Associated Press news agency two of the dead were women, and many of the victims appeared to have died between 10 and 15 days ago - dates that would roughly match the bus abductions.

It appears to be the largest single discovery of bodies since 72 Central and South American migrants were found dead in the same town last August, after drug gangs killed them for refusing to work for them.

After that incident, President Calderon deployed more troops to fight criminals who use the area as a route to traffic narcotics into the US. And our correspondent in Mexico City, Julian Miglierini, says this most recent discovery will come as an embarrassment for him.

The Mexican government says it is making progress against the drug cartels, and has captured or killed many of their top leaders.

It says much of the bloodshed is the result of fighting between rival criminal gangs.

This view was echoed by the head of the US Drug Enforcement Administration, Michele Leonhart, at an international conference in the Mexican City of Cancun on Wednesday.

"It may seem contradictory, but the unfortunate level of violence is a sign of success in the fight against drugs," the DEA chief said.
Mexican writer Javier Sicilia cries as he hugs family members after the death of his son Javier Sicilia says Mexicans have had enough

The cartels "are like caged animals, attacking one another," she added.
'Subhuman'

Wednesday's protests were called by Mr Sicilia after his 24-year-old son, Juan Francisco, was found dead inside a car along with six other people in the city of Cuernavaca last week.

In an open letter to Mexico's politicians and criminals published in Proceso, he said President Calderon's campaign against the drugs gangs was "badly planned, badly carried out and badly led".

"The citizenry has lost confidence in its governors, its police, its army, and is afraid and in pain".

Mr Sicilia also condemned the criminals as "subhuman, demonic and imbecilic".

"We have had it up to here with your violence, your loss of honour, your cruelty and senselessness," he wrote.

Before joining the demonstrations, Mr Sicilia met President Calderon in Mexico City.

He said the president offered his condolences and briefed him on efforts to find his son's killers.

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Some say maybe the government should be negotiating with some of these cartels

So instead of legalizing drugs to destroy the cartels they want to instead negotiate with them....because the cartel leaders are rational people.
 
So instead of legalizing drugs to destroy the cartels they want to instead negotiate with them....because the cartel leaders are rational people.

Naturally. Because legalizing drugs will turn everybody into a deranged heroin addict. Didn't you see Reefer Madness?
 
"It may seem contradictory, but the unfortunate level of violence is a sign of success in the fight against drugs," the DEA chief said.

I'm fucking shocked at this comment. This person needs to be fired immediately.
 
"It may seem contradictory, but the unfortunate level of violence is a sign of success in the fight against drugs," the DEA chief said.
The cartels "are like caged animals, attacking one another," she added.
'Subhuman'

She is an idiot that needs to be fired, but she's right. The costs are simply not acceptable to society, of course. And they are subhuman.
But instead of giving in (darles las nalgas) we should reinstate death penalty specifically to those "subhumans".
 
About 35,000 Mexicans have died in drug-related violence since the president began deploying the army to fight the cartels in December 2006.

The US lost 2000+ on 9/11, and we jumped right on into two wars. Can you possibly imagine the sheer hell fire we would rain down upon the earth if we lost 35,000??

god this war on drugs needs to end
 
"It may seem contradictory, but the unfortunate level of violence is a sign of success in the fight against drugs," the DEA chief said.

I actually feel physically sick after reading this.

It comes across as "Eh, it's only a few wetbacks, what do we care?"

Scummy quote from an equally scummy "human being".
 
The Mexican government says it is making progress against the drug cartels, and has captured or killed many of their top leaders.

It says much of the bloodshed is the result of fighting between rival criminal gangs.

This view was echoed by the head of the US Drug Enforcement Administration, Michele Leonhart, at an international conference in the Mexican City of Cancun on Wednesday.
these statements are appalling, and as long as people like this are in power, there is no way to trust our government. they are bought and sold.

and when obama laughs off the idea of legalization, when it's by far the most popular item on the agenda... when the entire system has no problem with churning men through the "system", one by one...

even ron paul wouldn't touch this issue. he'd lose his core financial/popular support. his promises about drugs reform would be as empty as obama's campaign promises.
 
"It may seem contradictory, but the unfortunate level of violence is a sign of success in the fight against drugs," the DEA chief said.

Wow. Just wow. This cunt's logic is undeniable. 35, 000 Mexicans massacred since 2006 in relation to the fight against drugs is a sign of success? You must be on crack.
 
I'm at a loss for words to describe how I feel about hearing that we are finally WINNING THE DRUG WAR!!

What a bunch of idiots. I honestly can't believe that someone could say this level of senseless death is a sign of us winning the war on drugs, even if it is someone from the DEA. Unfortunately, I think for things to change in the US, this level of violence would have to occur here as well and that's something I hope will never happen.
 
There will never be a end to the drug war. Even Hillary Clinton said the reason why they wont legalize it is. Because it makes to much money being illegal.
 
She is an idiot that needs to be fired, but she's right. The costs are simply not acceptable to society, of course. And they are subhuman.
But instead of giving in (darles las nalgas) we should reinstate death penalty specifically to those "subhumans".

I totally agree. I thought it was so stupid when she tried to claim violence is a sign of winning. Since when is violence a positive thing? Idiotic bitch. She must hate mexican people because she seems to think that their lives are worth nothing as long as she thinks it will eradicate drugs. Except she is probably taking pay offs from cartels. I can't believe how hypocritical our entire government is. They don't actually want anyone to do better, they just want to fill their pockets and get reelected.
 
Julian Miglierini is in Mexico City: "Some say maybe the government should be negotiating with some of these cartels"

The government is negotiating with the cartels and has been for a long time. Fun fact- in the past 6 years 53,174 people were arrested for organized crime, but only 941 of them worked for the Sinaloa cartel....

I recently read a very interesting book, I'm sure a lot of ya'll would find it fascinating. It's called El Sicario: The Autobiography of a Mexican Assassin.

Basically, it's a long interview with a man. He spent his life from the early '90s until 2007 (maybe 2006, I don't remember) working as a professional kidnapper, torturer and killer for the cartels. And also as a police man, though he did literally no policing. He's personally killed hundreds of people and spends the interview talking about his life, how the cartels operate and his methods. The introduction to the book also has a lot of interesting information about how the cartels interact with the government.

It's also a documentary but I can't for the life of me find it in English. It's on youtube in Spanish with German subtitles and there's clips with english subtitles on youtube, but not the whole thing.

Here's a clip- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jN0ImVgS-UY

This article made me think of the book, here's a quote where he talks about an operation to kill and bury 120 people-

"...The people who had stolen these drugs and who were selling it on their own were identified and executed. We are talking about a massive execution of about 70 people.

Somewhat earlier, there had been another problem, this time with car thieves. No one was in control over what they were dong. It developed into a real problem, and the police themselves asked for help from the cartel to dismantle these gangs of car thieves. So there was another massive cleanup of a group of some forty-five young punks who were dealing in stolen cars.

When these people were rounded up, the operation was not carried out by just one group. You could never say that it was done only by sicarios working for the cartel. The operation also included elements of the municipal police and the state and federal judicial police working with the cartel. We are talking about some 800 elements working together to get rid of this group of 70 dealers and the other group of 45 car thieves who were causing a lot of trouble.

And these bodies are now buried in various colonias and houses throughout the city [Juarez]. And these are bodies that are never going to see the light of day. Or in the case that someday these bodies are found, they will never be identified..."
 
^Sounds like an interesting book, I think I'll give it a read...
 
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