Heroin Afghan brown heroin acetic acid complication

[Like dead]

Hello everyone, it has been a while since I was on this site. Mainly because I took a break from drug use to keep from becoming psychologically dependant. I am currently in Berlin and thought I would try German heroin. Turns out it is A LOT cheaper then in Australia and better then in china (although it is brown. It is purer). I got brown heroin which does not dissolve without heat and acid.

I use boiled distilled white vinegar (5-6% acetic acid) in a 1:1-1:2 vinegar water ratio. I just shot up a small dose (which turned out to be larger then expected, just another example of how caution may save your life one day) and my arm is burning a little. I didn't miss any (maybe a tiny amount leaked out of the vein). Am I using to much acid?

I usually get white heroin so I'm not very experienced with this. Pls give advice. Any tips on using it more efficiently would be cool too. Some powder is left in the spoon after heating and I believe it is cut or something but I am not sure. Either way I feel the shot so I have to be doing something right : ). This is the first time I have used strong opiates in months so... Anyway. Thanks in advance, like dead

 

[amapola]

When you add acid you are trying to turn the diamorphine base which is insoluble into the diamorphine acetate. It's called a neutralization reaction. For weak acid + weak base like this is, you want the final solution to only be slightly acidic. The amount of acid required is therefore a dependent on how much alkaloidal base you are starting out with. You can just titrate in the acid with stirring until you get pH of <7 (measured with indicator or pH strips) and then you are good to go and you will be shooting a neutral solution which won't burn.

 

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Not to sound up myself (or rude, I do appreciate the reply), but I know A LOT about chemistry. However I am abroad and my little clandestine lab (it's my hobby and I am going to study pharmacology soon) is not. I need experience which I don't have. Like subjective info. Also, i am not using pure acetic acid. I am using vinegar (as I mentioned it is distilled and 5% before boiling). I do not know the purity of the dope and I don't know the cut either. There are to many variables to go about this in a scientific way. I really need an idea of what it looks like and what ratio and quantity of water:vinegar you use. Thank you for the reply though, do you have any personal experience with heroin base?

 

[amapola]

^No I don't have any experience unfortunately (well I suppose it is generally fortunate but I can't help you in this situation). There is no need to do any stoichiometry though, just titrate until acid is slightly in excess like I said. A poster named ugh I can't remember b..wagni..something has a thread on this issue. His avatar is a monkey. I'll go find it for you.

edit:
What is the optimal pH for heroin no. 3 dissolution?

It's citric acid like most people use but should have some subjective qualitative notes.

 

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Wow, quick reply! There is a problem with titration. The solution/mixture has to boil for the heroin base to become heroin acetate. If I were to add tiny amounts of vinegar and boil it I would destroy a significant amount of diamorphine. Excuse sentence structure or spelling if one of those is wrong, I'm nodding hardcore.

 

[DavisK4high247]

To say that brown #3 base heroin is better than #4 SEA powder is wrong. It actually as you know all depends on how cut or pure the heroin itself is. SEA white heroin, which I had in Northern Thaland.Burma about 8-10 years ago is pure,white powder, which heroin that is pure is white, I tried a small amount(snorted) of basicly uncut SEA powder and got much higher than off any other type of heroin I have done. Basicly that was becasue of it's purity. South American powder #4 which we get in the US, most in the eastern 1/2 of the US ranges from off white powder, to a light brown/tannish powder, and both if the same puirty are as good as any other #4 heroin. Most #3 heroin base at best from producers is 75-80% heroin and cut with caffeine. So even getting #3 base heroin from a kilogram of 80% pure #3, is still of course not as potent as 90% or 95% pure #4 SEA or SA powder heroin. It is all about the puirty, heroin is heroin when produced properly, and no specific powder #4 is better than another if they are the same purity. However no one on street levels or even middle men get the uncut product, so I imagine you got purer #3 base heroin than you were getting of the #4 SEA dope..

 

[phr]

Just curious, why aren't you using ascorbic or citric?

 

[amapola]

Wow, quick reply! There is a problem with titration. The solution/mixture has to boil for the heroin base to become heroin acetate. If I were to add tiny amounts of vinegar and boil it I would destroy a significant amount of diamorphine. Excuse sentence structure or spelling if one of those is wrong, I'm nodding hardcore.

Good point. Could you use acid in excess, boil to convert, then check the pH and neutralize some of the remaining acid with a weak base until it is acceptable for venous administration?

 

[brimz]

citric acid thats what we use in the u.k n we always have Afghan brown.
vitamin c powder is better though less hard on your veins.

 

[DavisK4high247]

I think using the 1:1 or 1:2 vingegar to water ration is way too much vinegar, and citric acid or plain lime juice is better than vinegar. And having to heat the base and water/acidic compound will not destroy a lot of the heroin. Do not boil the solution, instead heat just enough to get the solution hot, and then let it cool. I am not experienced in IV use of #3 heroin base, but I know that the poster says the #3 base is better than the SEA powder he/she had in Austalia, and I wondered if the powder #4 SEA dope would dissolve in water without heat, like the Colombian powder #4 we get in the US. You can "cook" that stuff up, but that only dissolves any cuts more than the heroin. I only know that the heroin itself will dissolve (#4 powder) in warm or even cool water with no heat needed, and "cooking up" the powder will only dissolve any cuts left.

 

[Like dead]

To say that brown #3 base heroin is better than #4 SEA powder is wrong. It actually as you know all depends on how cut or pure the heroin itself is.

this stuff isn't purer then the Aussie stuff, Its just purer then I expected and somehow it feels better. Better rush somehow. It's hard to explain. The stuff from Australia dissolves completely without heat and I believe it is either cut down fentanyl or VERY pure heroin because the amount needed to get high is ridiculous. The heroin I have now is brown which means it hasn't been refined or turned into a salt. It leaves black gunk in the spoon and it doesn't dissolve that well. I'm just saying that I am impressed by the quality, I did not expect that based on the appearance! Generally though, white heroin is purer then tar or brown. Ofcourse white heroin can be cut shit and brown (even tar from what I have heard) can be THE SHIT 70-90% but most of the time it isn't.

Amapola: I don't have a universal indicator or ph strips ATM. I can't do any type of neutralization or titration. Also, I don't really have any food grade bases and I couldn't use them anyway because I am cannot be precise enough to avoid turning the heroin back into base. I really just want to save my veins. I use heroin between 1 a month to once a week depending on how much work I have to finish but I still want to keep them as healthy as possible.

Someone who I will not name suggested lime juice : ) bad idea. Don't really fanzy going blind or having a heart attack sepcis or other medical conditions thanks to fungus. I'm really worried about fungus and am not using any type of juice. EVER. I am not using vitamin c because I have not yet found it and citric acid has the same problems as acetic. More so i'd say. It's pretty harsh on the veins and I can only find it mixed with sugar or some flavour in supermarkets. If I find pure citric acid in a pharmacy or a supermarket I will use it instead... Somehow I doubt I will. Then there is that same problem with over acidification and what it looks like. By now I am convinced that all the heroin is dissolving because I have used a small amount and just acidified the he'll out of it. Proportianally I'd say the same amount dissolved. Now I want to find the smallest effective amount of acid.

Btw, does anyone have any idea what the black gunk is? I'm guessing latex or some other shit from the opium that has not been cleaned out very well. I doubt it's cut, that doesn't really make sense. Any input (purely hypothetical because it is fun to discuss) would be appreciated. I like this site. Speculation information and argumentation. It's cool to have a discussion about drugs with people who aren't retarded.