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Opioids advice on kicking a hefty IV oxymorphone habit

snicklepuff

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So this is my first post on this profile as I can no longer access my old account
So me and my girlfriend are currently IV'ing about 250 mg of oxymorphone a day in the form of the blue 5mg and pink 10mg ir tablets. We have been doing this for about a week now and before that were using about the same amount of oxycodone, also IVed, per day for about two months. After UTFSE I haven't been able to find a similar scenario. So I have a few questions. Oh, we will be using Opana CR tablets too taper down as long as possible. Okay, so while I have been through opiate withdrawals before I have never kicked oxymorphone before so can someone give me an idea of what we may be in for with that type of usage? Evering I have seen so far has been about smaller habits. I have these meds put away for us : lopermide(sp?), flexeril, klonopin, ambien and clonodine. If any other nedsare advised im all ears. Thanks in advance guys!
 
Okay, well I would advise kicking them cold turkey if you have such fabulous opiate wd meds at your disposal. I wouldn't bother with the Flexeril, but the loperamide, clonidine, Klonipin, and Ambien will come in handy. Opiate is opiate wd, if an opiate or opioid has a longer half-life, the wd's will take longer to begin and finish, if an opiate or opioid has a shorter half-life, the wd's will come on quick but fade quicker as well.
 
try tapering as best as you can. dont does for as long as you can wait. then just take a little just so that you are slighty more comfortable. just try as long as possible to wait to does and dose as little as possible. just enough so that its just a little easier for you. do not get high at all! sorry, i know what i wrote is confusing :/
 
try tapering as best as you can. dont does for as long as you can wait. then just take a little just so that you are slighty more comfortable. just try as long as possible to wait to does and dose as little as possible. just enough so that its just a little easier for you. do not get high at all! sorry, i know what i wrote is confusing :/

It's not confusing, i think it makes perfect sense and is very good advice. I would listen to this guy OP.
 
Oxymorphone withdrawal is a whole different beast than Oxycodone withdrawal.
Not to mention it's so much stronger. Your 250mg a day of Oxymorphone isn't the same as 250mg a day of Oxycodone.
250mg of Oxymorphone IV = 5000mg Oxycodone Oral. Oral Oxycodone is slightly weaker than IV but not by much.
As such your tolerance is obviously much higher than it was & withdrawals would be exponentially worse.
Sadly enough most people don't realize that 10mg IV Oxymorphone is like approx 200mg Oxycodone Oral.
With a tolerance level as high as you speak of I'd say do a taper. I find tapering with Oxymorphone difficult though.
Due to the intensity of the withdrawals & how quick they hit IV Oxymorphone is hard to taper IMHO.
Well tapering with Oxymorphone itself that is. Switching & tapering is much easier.

Also with this taper are you plannin on taperin with IV route? Or trying to get off IV? That will make a difference.
Please post that information as possible as it will affect the answers given.
Also an idea as to whether you plan on tapering with the Oxymorphone or trying one of the other proposed methods.

Personally I would do a quick methadone taper & jump or quick methadone taper to short acting to jump.
It would be much less painful than tapering with the Oxymorphone from my experience.
Though my tolerance was slightly different when I tapered I was wearing 100mcg/hr Fentanyl Patches.
I would IV various opiates on top of this for example 40mg Oxymorphone IV per shot on top of said patches.
I tapered down using methadone with little discomfort. Though after switching off the Methadone to shorter acting meds
before jumping has me at a bit of a stand still. This is likely due to my longer usage 3+ years of high dosages.
Once I took a 2 month break after cold turkey off of 120-150mg Oxymorphone Nasally a day.
That was rough but doable. Since then withdrawals are much worse. It seems the longer your on opiates the worse they get.
So even though your dosages are high the short time frame will likely be to your advantage.

You could consider Suboxone but you'd likely want to taper first. As with Suboxone's ceiling dose it may not cover your current tolerance.
So you could always taper down then switch to Suboxone & taper with that. There are plenty of options.
The clonodine & benzo's & such will definitively come in handy.
They will help alleviate some withdrawal symptoms & all some sleep if your lucky.

I can't help but say that I disagree on cold turkey. With your dosage levels cold turkey would be extremely difficult.
Cold turkey from 120-150mg Oxymorphone intra-nasal though with a longer time frame was brutal.
Coming off IV Oxymorphone is even more brutal. Well it was for me even with doses of 100mg IV or so total per day.
My main issue became that as tolerance to Oxymorphone grew the time to withdrawal's shrank.
It was like I was either high or sick or hella sick. No real in between from feeling good to negative 10 in a couple hours.
I ended up having to dose halfway through the night just to sleep for a full 8 hours, was ridiculous.
Hopefully you 2 haven't run into those issues yet. As I remember it being some of the worst times I've dealt with.
That's one of the reasons I suggest the Methadone. You can stabilize & start cutting doses quite quickly in most cases.
It also allows for much less frequent dosing & a chance to get one's head straight & a taper plan in place.
I recommend figuring an exact taper & going so far as to document your plans & progress.
Doing so has always helped me to stick to said taper & to keep track of progress.

If you go the methadone route you may be surprised as to how low a dose will hold you.
Though considering it's Oxymorphone you may need a decently high dose to begin with.
Cutting the Methadone once stabilized for a few days can be relatively painless.
For example at one point I tapered using methadone. I got lucky & 40mg was enough to hold me.
I did 40mg for 3 days, then 30mg for 3, then 20mg for 3, then cut 5mg every 3 days till down to 10.
Below 20 it started getting a little worse at 10 it became much more noticeable.
Thus at 10 I cut 2.5mg every 3 days & then switched to short acting.
As methadone is great but it's long half-life means long withdrawals as such I usually taper with methadone
then switch to something short acting till the methadone is out of system so I can withdraw from a short acting med.
I find that to be the best of both worlds. The methadone makes the taper less painful & easier to do.
Then the short acting switch at the end reduces the duration of withdrawals by avoiding the methadone withdrawals.


If your considering tapering, using methadone to taper, tapering to suboxone, or anything of the like the following threads may help.

Suboxone & Buprenorphine Mega Thread & FAQ-v13.0

Methadone Mega Thread & FAQ-v-2.0

Progress Mega Thread

Also if you happen to need a dosage converter to help figure tapering dosages you can try the following.

Global RPH's Opioid - Narcotic Converter

If there's anything else I can do to help or any more questions I can help answer please feel free to ask.
Hope the information I posted is of use to you & I wish you 2 the best of luck with your situation. :)
 
yeah suboxone is great. i recommend tapering your DOC a little while before switching to subs, otherwise the transition cam be rough. when i went straight from a half gram of H a day to suboxone i felt awful (though still leauges better than if i had been on nothing) then the next time, i tapered my heroin use a lot before making the switch and that made a huge difference. i felt great on suboxone that time, lol.
 
Oxymorphone withdrawal is a whole different beast than Oxycodone withdrawal.
Not to mention it's so much stronger. Your 250mg a day of Oxymorphone isn't the same as 250mg a day of Oxycodone.
250mg of Oxymorphone IV = 5000mg Oxycodone Oral.

The converters are not always correct, so I am skeptical as to the validity of this equivalency. When I used one of the converters, it said that 250mg of IV oxymorphone = 2500mg of oral oxycodone, and I even thought that that was too high. Having said that, I don't know what the equivalent dose of 250mg IV oxymorphone would actually be.
 
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