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Misc Advice needed for Nootropic stack to repair my damaged brain.

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jedfactor

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Hi

Not sure if this is the thread for this but,

I have had problems with obsessive and intrusive thoughts about negative comments that people have made about me, I have a tenancy to go over and over things in mind which has lead to a background noise of over analysing thoughts that gets me down and gets in the way of my enjoyment of life.

I was given sertraline to take by my doctor which I have been taking for the last 3 months but after reading various statements online about peoples problems with withdrawal and side effects I have decided to stop taking the sertraline and pursue some more natural methods to alleviate my symptoms.

I have problems with insomnia and DPSD, and general energy levels and motivation. I also have problems with my body image and think that I have BDD. I think that I am also slightly OCD, and have Social Anxiety and moderate depression.

I have taken Ecstasy on 3 occasions in the past and I am worried that this has effected my brain chemistry in a negative way along with some heavy Occasional Cannabis use in the past, and minor use of low doses of Cocaine, and occasional alcohol use. I have also tried Ketamine but only on one occasional and a small dose, along with some use of Nitrous oxide.

Because of this I am also interested in supplements that can help to repair the brain and stimulate growth.

The sertraline did seem to help my symptoms but I am concerned with long term damage to my brain from taking this drug in the long term.

From what ive read ive noted several supplements and drugs known to help with my symptoms.

Initially I have started taking st Johns wort as I want to upregulate my serotonin receptors after them being downregulated through taking an SSRI.

I plan on supplementing this with 5-HTP, L-phenylalanine, and DHEA.

I also am interested in taking the following substances but I am unsure of how well these will mix and if mixing them could cause problems like serotonin syndrome and other side effects.

Piracetam, lecithin, Vitamin B6, Kanna, Ginko-Biloba, Rhodiola Rosea, Citicoline, SAM-e, Picmilon, Inositol, Bacopa, Alcar, Ashwagandha, EGCG, curcumin, Gotu Kola, Kratom.

Also these drugs sound like they could be of benefit:

selegine, Tianeptine, rasagiline.


Any advice on the best combination of these would be great.

Thanks
 
Piracetam is a great nootropic. Some of the drugs you listed can be quite addictive... Like kratom. And others are maois... Those can kill you. So make sure you understand what you're taking.
Personally I'd choose 5-htp, piracetam, and st john's wort.
 
this is a great thread, I never thought of this before. Of course I know I've done irreparable damage to my brain via the long-term use of drugs (been using substances, legal and illegal, to get high since 1998. Clean for brief periods of time but always sucked down again.) My memory is shot all to hell for one thing, I have absolutely no memory of some events that people around me claim have happened, my ability to recollect things on a day to day basis is impaired, and my anxiety levels are through the roof. My solution to this? More drugs.

I would really be interested in the topic of what supplements or substances to take to repair the brain! Will be watching this thread.
 
Did you actually experience any side effects from the sertraline? All drugs have side effects, the SSRIs are no exception, discontinuation can be a problem --- but for the problems you describe it is far safer to take an SSRI under the management of a psychiatrist than to self-medicate with "natural" crap. Anything natural that can actually affect you can do so because it has chemicals in it. Cyanide is natural. Arsenic is natural. Natural doesn't mean safer, it just means less precisely measured.

Also, sertraline, like all effective antidepressants, causes your brain to grow brain cells via BDNF. If you are concerned about neurogenesis, sertraline is more proven to cause that than most of the things you have listed.
 
Because of this I am also interested in supplements that can help to repair the brain and stimulate growth.
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Occasional cannabis/MDMA/etc usage isn't going to cook your brain like an egg...

Taking every natural supplement in the book isn't going to do you a lot of good either, it's just going to encourage drug interactions.

The sertraline did seem to help my symptoms but I am concerned with long term damage to my brain from taking this drug in the long term.
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So you stopped taking a drug that works because you were afraid of the effects in the long term? How is taking 16 other "natural" drugs going to make you sleep any better? Many of those haven't been researched alone extensively, let alone in combination with 15 others...

It's probably better for you to stick with the sertraline for a while. Many people only stay on SSRIs for a short while until the therapy starts to work and they generally put their lives together. You are not chained to the stuff; but it is prescribed for a reason - it generally works much better than 'natural' herbs and shit, when it does work. And it does for about 30-40% of people, statistically.
 
I agree with sekio, just because something is natural doesn't mean it's good, and just because something is semi/fully synthetic doesn't mean it's bad.

Though I don't necessarily think you're wrong for choosing not to take SSRI's, I've taken them myself and it got to the point where I just wasn't comfortable taking them, so I chose to take something different (Agomelatine/Valdoxan).

There's nothing better than just eating healthily and exercising regularly. I'd pursue both of those in favour of this pick 'n mix cocktail of other drugs.
 
I have had phases where I have took shit like you mentioned for long periods of time then I started feeling manic so stopped and felt better than ever. Best to do things in cycles and have long breaks from it now and then
 
Pretty much everything will fry your brain; negative life experiences (most likely why most folks take drugs in one suit or form)
Just living is toxic, people take drugs to escape, or to attain a better, clearer perspective, or euphoria and social interaction.
I'll just hazard a guess here, but you initially took drugs for a reason; curiosity, peer pressure, rebellion? the reasons could be many.
To be honest, the most dumb ass thing happened to me yesterday. I went to pet a border collie next to sainsburys; It ran away
My first thought was (I must be evil inside, and this dog can sense it)
But after over analysing, it was on a corner; and just as a went to pet another person walked around the corner.
Freaky but logical; I still blame myself though.
Your not alone bro
 
I would recommend a diet change and exercise long before I'd recommend supplements. Try to eat lots of veggies, fruit, seeds, nuts, berries, legumes, and whole grains (read labels carefully). Try to reduce meat, dairy, and junk food. I can honestly tell you that this will have a larger impact than SSRI's, supplements, or natural drugs. The side effects are all good ones as well, so you don't have worry about risks or dangers.

Second, start exercising regularly. Mix up cardio, active sports (Frisbee, tennis, skateboarding, whatever), and weight lifting. Try to do what's fun, but also don't be lazy.

Just try changing your diet and engaging in more exercise for two weeks. Think of it as a two week challenge. I guarantee you will feel some benefits before you even finish.

Feel better!
 
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I try to stick with just fish oil and multivitamins. but i saw this bottle of amino acids, that i'm thinking if i should buy it or not.
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IMO, whey protein is the best way to add more essential amino acids to your diet. I particularly recommend One World Whey since it's not denatured or bulked with filler. Otherwise, beef is a great way to get high quality protein. I would not recommend adding a supplement for protein, however. It's expensive and unnecessary.

Also, seeds (hemp, chia, flax) are a terrific replacement for fish oil. They are cheaper since they contribute needed calories and micro-nutrients to your diet. Supplements can be good, but they are pricey and you have to research your brands very closely.
 
Thanks for the replies, but what I really need is someone to point out which of the things I mentioned clash and shouldn't be taken together, I know exercise and diet helps, but my question wasn't what do you suggest I do to help with my symptoms, It was here is a list, do you know which of these is safe to take in combination.

Thanks
 
Your totally correct jedfactor. Stacking a combination of this that and the other is not they way each person works. God knows there's so many posts out there that say this that and the other.
Gradually build up. Diet is great, trying cutting out lactose, replace it with soya, almond, or walnut drinks with cereal. Sugar is a no no, so most cereals fit into this category, oatmeal is, well rank but your body will thank you for it. Stay away from processed foods; which is basically the whole supermarket. Make your own soups, with lots of veggies, beans, lontils. Stay away from sugary drinks, even sugar free. Try vegetarian, then vegan diets.
If all else fails, smoke cannabis run run run. Don't eat anything, get on the caveman diet. Fast, then pray, then fast and prey; it's the only way.
We're are all on drugs in some way shape or form. Brain repair is a difficult one, UDO oils have omega 3,6 and 9 but are expensive. Spirulina is also a nice healthy way to regenerate brain and body.
As for stacks, it depends what you wanna do, get big, get thin. Just be comfortable with the body your in....
As if I know bro, just be yourself; don't worry about what the other chumps fink.
 
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