Advice for getting off Suboxone. help please?

[gettin_off]

Hey bluelight, So Ive been a loyal bluelighter on and off for the last 5 years but made a throw away account for anonymity

so i started doing oxy's about 3 or 4 years ago. about a year into that, after experiencing withdrawals for the first time, a friend of mine introduced me to suboxone. at first i would be able to do oxy's for a week or two straight, switch to suboxone for 3 or 4 days and then i would be able to stop both painlessly. about a year or so after doing that on and off, i noticed i would start to feel slight withdrawals after stopping the suboxone; i am now addicted to subs...

at this point, Ive done oxy's once in the last 6 months but have not stopped doing suboxone. i do *about* 1mg a day and that makes me feel fine and allows me to be active and sleep at the end of the day.

my question for anyone with experience with suboxone: how would you suggest i ween myself off of this amount? can you quickly write up a kind of schedule i should stick to in order to painlessly ween myself off this shit? i am so sick of NEEDING something to feel normal. not fun. I plan on starting a strict excersizing routine, i know that helps with the effort alot.

thanks in advance! this is really some annoying shit...

 

[Bojangles69]

You should start standardizing your sub in alcohol and freeze the solution when you make it. I would take the solution out in the morning to dose and let it sit for 30mins to thaw out/melt. After I dosed I'd put it right back in the freezer. It won't actually freeze but will stop the sub from decomposing in liquid solution.

Mix 8mg sub with 16ml of vodka. That gives you .5mg per ml or .25mg per 1/2ml. Thats the first thing I would do.
Then, drop .25mg every week.

Week 1 .75mg
Week 2 .5mg
Week 3 .25mg

Now you're not done, with sub the MOST IMPORTANT part is once you get to that magical .25mg number you have to stay there a while. I say 3 weeks is the best to aim for. I can explain more accurately why you do this but you will basically be in very minor wds (very minor) for those 3 weeks which will barely feel like anything. But if you stop the second you get to .25mg you're still going to have pretty aggravating wds.
Thats why maintain at that .25mg for 3 weeks, 2 weeks minimum.

Then all you do is stop. That was the exact way I did it, got no physical wds at all. PAWs hit me however after 7 days (depression, fatigue, anxiety) and I relapsed after 23 days clean.

Thats why if your PAWs are bad you should take something. Believe it or not adderal works great to combat paws, and there won't be any rebound if you only take it for a few weeks/couple of months. It will keep you out of the depressive tired funk and allow you to focus on normal daily obligations.

Also, you can also take a low dose of tramadol for paws (like 50mg) along with 3000mg of l-tyrosine. L-tyro is used by the brain to surge endorphin levels, mixed with a small amount of tram it will feel like its more powerful than it is, with out causing too bad of a rebound when you stop. Although some people recommend staying away from tram all together. A dose of tram this low however is still much weaker than .25mg sub so you're still stepping down your habit even if you have to take it. The key is to never go back to using more.

Another cocktail for paws could be lyrica and xanax. Clonidine helps a lot too. I always get detox meds online when I try to come off stuff, it makes it much much easier.

If you can't do any of that, you can always switch to a low dose of loperamide, then taper off that (immodium) it will appease your opiate receptors just enough but you would still want to taper off loperamide as its a weak opiate that barely passes the blood brain barrier, although it still helps a lot especially when you get low or off opiates completely. You can get immodium anywhere really.

If you taper that way you should be fine. If you rush it you will likely suffer the consquences and complain that sub sucks when it doesnt. You have to do it the right way. Getting off opiates really isn't that hard if you're a resourceful person. I will be getting off sub myself sometime down the road and will do that exact taper, then load up on detox meds not for the physical wds but for the depression/lethargy that comes post (after) acute wds. Although the physical wds you will barely feel at all. It will be the depression thats the worst. I honestly didn't feel physically uncomfortable at all but you should try to find some of the meds I listed to battle the depression. Even a low dose of codiene would help and wouldn't cause a strong rebound/withdrawal.

Gluck man and remember you don't have to suffer. Tapering off opiates is more an art than a science, you need to listen to your body which can sometimes include slowing down or even speeding up the taper. If your body is handling the schedule, keep at it. If its too much, slow down. Thats the most important aspect, LISTEN to your body, it will thank you.

Ask questions and keep us updated, we can definitely help you through this.

 

[Z Y G G Y]

1mg is very low already. You can taper furtehr as has been suggested.

But I'll give you IMO the easiest way ever to quit suboxone. You will need tramadol, benzos and supplements (tyrosine, tryptophan, vitamins B, D, multivitamins) and will need to exercise 45 minutes per day at least. Use the tramadol for 3 weeks. Quit that and take benzos as necessary. The whole time take supplements and exercise.

You will not find anything easier physically for getting of opiates. Once you stop tramadol your w/d are extremely mild, some insomnia and RLS, that's it. Not kidding. It will be a breeze if you follow my recipe.

Also there are hundreds of threads on this topic already. use the search engine dude.

 

[gettin_off]

thanks alot both of you. i have searched for this exact information but usually end up reading all the stuff i already know. never found any detailed advice for the last couple weeks of tapering off. thanks!

 

[bagochina]

patience.

over one year clean from suboxone after a long time twiddling my thumbs, feels really good.

 

[Bojangles69]

Yeh I'm glad siggy agreed with the tramadol. For one depending on what state you live in you can order it right online legally and get it fedexd to your house.

When I come off sub I'm going to taper down to .25mg like I said for 2-3 weeks. Then I will stop and go to a low dose of tram. It will probably be 50mg in morning then 50mg at night. And I love taking tram with l-tyrosine as the l-tyro really makes it a lot more effective/powerful w/out causing so much bs withdrawals afterward.

And if you can get benzos you're set. If not, remember soma is not controlled in a lot of states and can be ordered legally online too. So if you have any insomnia/anxiety and can't get benzos just go for soma. Between tram and soma if you take low doses like ziggy said for 3-4 weeks you'll get threw the worst, can taper the tram/soma down and what you'll have left will be very easy to get through.

Clonidine is also easy to get and I personally stockpile a ton of that shit as I have stage 2 hypertension and when I go through wds I get hotflashes/insomnia from hell... even coming off low doses of opiates. I'm excited to come off this time because last time I tapered I made it a nightmare on myself and I've learned so much since then. And what I learned is to never try tapering unless I have nice wealth of detox meds available. Just that cocktail alone tram/soma/clonidine you won't feel a fucking thing and if you drop the tram and soma and extend the clonidine a couple more weeks it will even eliminate those barely noticeable wds from your short time on tram.
I see so many people, SO MANY PEOPLE coming off opiates and they DO NOT plan a single fucking thing out. Or their plans are just horrible to begin and they don't want to change them. Then they come off said opiate and have a horrible time, trash the specific opiate they were taking and start making claims like "x opiate as the worst wds in the world" blah blah. And then they use that as reason to relapse.
The fact is if you are resourceful, intelligent, and openminded, you can come off opiates with very little to no trouble at all (although I'd venture to say benzos are a totally different story in that respect). I really want to strangle all the people who decide to go cold turkey and relapse 2 weeks later then keep going through that same cycle over and over. I believe those types never really wanted to quit in the first place. They just realized they couldn't get high anymore and subconciously used quitting as a method to reduce their tolerance for future use w/out feeling guilty about it.

Anyway I'm just ranting now. But g/luck!! It will be as difficult as you make it on yourself and if you need help with anything feel free to pm me.

 

[DexysMidnightRuner]

there is a mega thread for this topic. and personally, i wouldnt take more chemicals to combat the withdrawal because then you have the potential of becoming addicted to those instead. try taking kratom. my boyfriend was taking subs for about a year and a half, and he got off by tapering and taking kratom. he still has problems with PAWS but kratom works for that too. like i said there is a mega thread on this that might help. try here and next time try and use the search engine

 

[itsok]

I was on suboxone for 6 years, on and off, interspersed with heroin mostly. Since e beginning of January, I dont have a physical need for suboxone, as well as all opiates, due to using these nmda antagonists --methoxetamine and/or 4meo pcp - for 2 days.

In the past, when I tried to taper off suboxone using a stair-step schedule, clonidine, benzos, and GHB/GBL helped me.