Want to take a good break of mdma, i know i cant be expecting anything remotely close to the rewarding high of mdma, but still how do they compare? (Ive heard adderall is like "weak ecstasy" haha idk if thats true) And at what dosage of adderall IR would you need to be considered "high" and what doses would be good just for the benefits of relieving ADD symptoms (which i have)
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Adderall compared to mdma for rave/club scene?
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Oh and another question thats somewhat unrelated.. But i went to the doctors a few days ago and admited to using mdma due to me having a bad comedown and wanted to give the full truth. If i go to see a doctor for ADD will they be able to see that, or if its on my "file" and will that stop them from prescribing me something such as adderall or anything else that can be abused? Because my ADD is pretty bad ;(
LucidSDreamr
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I would never admit to drug abuse to doctors unless its relevant to some health problem you are having that is serious and it could interfere with. A dr. can't do anything for you about a comedown, so its pointless to tell them. yes, they probably won't give you adderall now, they are so afraid of getting sued that if they give a known drug abuser abusable drugs and something happens its their ass/career.
Alot of them know people are abusing the drugs the prescribe but its sort of a don't ask don't tell policy and they just want to cover their own ass so don't tell them anything or else you wont get prescribed.
Just go to another doctor and don't have your records sent over to the new one....they shouldn't know anything about your previous history.
despite being schedule II....most psychiatrists treat adderall like its nothing, give it to everyone....don't drug test etc. nothing like a sched II opiate which you basically have to be a nun, submit to full toxicology, and be friends with a pharmacist, to actually get.
Adderall can be quite good for social settings the first time you use it if you havn't used it in a few weeks and take a dose of around 20 mg with no tolerance. With no tolerance add relief comes at around 5 mg. Tolerence increases very quiclky with adderall so try to use as little as possible to get the effects you need and try not to abuse it for recration (you'll see that this only works the first time you do it after a break basically...everything after isn't satisfying in a recrational sort of way)
Alot of them know people are abusing the drugs the prescribe but its sort of a don't ask don't tell policy and they just want to cover their own ass so don't tell them anything or else you wont get prescribed.
Just go to another doctor and don't have your records sent over to the new one....they shouldn't know anything about your previous history.
despite being schedule II....most psychiatrists treat adderall like its nothing, give it to everyone....don't drug test etc. nothing like a sched II opiate which you basically have to be a nun, submit to full toxicology, and be friends with a pharmacist, to actually get.
Adderall can be quite good for social settings the first time you use it if you havn't used it in a few weeks and take a dose of around 20 mg with no tolerance. With no tolerance add relief comes at around 5 mg. Tolerence increases very quiclky with adderall so try to use as little as possible to get the effects you need and try not to abuse it for recration (you'll see that this only works the first time you do it after a break basically...everything after isn't satisfying in a recrational sort of way)
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I don't have add but when I was scripted adderall I considered a single dose of 150 to 240mg to be ideal. I was using it for the euphoria btw. Then again my favorite way to do Tina is a half gram all at once up the nostrils. I guess I'm just what Shulgin would call a hardhead.
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Holy fuck dude you are fucking crazy 240 mg of adderall for a first timer is a massive OD. The most I would take is 100 mg... wtf you are insane dude
To the OP it's a lot more similar to cocaine which obviously does have plenty of use in the club scene.
To the OP it's a lot more similar to cocaine which obviously does have plenty of use in the club scene.
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I used to use MDMA while partying all the time but it made me too out of it and I couldn't enjoy the music. Made a lot of friends LOL but I didn't like it all. Plus, the brutal hangover. Switched to other amphetamines (there are TONS out there) and it's much better for me. I dance longer, enjoy myself, etc. Adderall doesn't work for me at all (I've actually gone asleep while using a pretty high dosage, forget what the dosage was but it was decent), but other similar stims work better for partying for me.
Yes i agree! Dont get me wrong mdma feels like pure bliss but i genuinley love edm and the shows i go to and sometimes the mdma high is just too overpowering that i tend to forget alot of my favortite DJ's sets. Thats another good reason why im trying to shy away from mdma just a tad.. Do u care to epaborate those other stims your talking about?
Yes i agree! Dont get me wrong mdma feels like pure bliss but i genuinley love edm and the shows i go to and sometimes the mdma high is just too overpowering that i tend to forget alot of my favortite DJ's sets. Thats another good reason why im trying to shy away from mdma just a tad.. Do u care to epaborate those other stims your talking about?
Yes, I would also be very interested in hearing some advice. I love rolling as well but feel that MDMA can be overpowering at times and I would rather avoid some of the neurotoxicity/serotonin drain. I genuinely love EDM as well and have found myself forgetting a lot of nights/sets due to rolling too hard lol.
I feel that adderall would work well for me because I love stimulants but I'm sure there are even better alternatives?
Crashing
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I'm always blown away when people mention use of anything over 80mg. I mean, talk about the comedown from absolute deepest chambers of hell. I think 20mg should be the maximum starting dose, adding another 20mg if absolutely necessary after an hour or two. Adderall is more of just a speedy high, not really similar to MDMA. They are both great but have their own uses.
SolidEther
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I used to take mdma back when it was first become really popular in the late 90's it was crazy fun.. Only if you let your brain recover 1-3 months before rolling again, unless you want to cook your dopamine/ norepinephrine reuptake ability permanently. If that happens you are truly fucked ecspecially without an amp script. Adderall acts differently on everyone, myself I can achieve high euphoria ecspecially in the beginning of occasional recreational usage. I have a true ADD brain so I cannot function without stims, tried to an epic failure. So using Adderall is ultimately a game of resposibilty because it can become more readily available than MDMA. People with ADD have a brain anatomy and chemistry that is affected by low or improper dopamine production.
IF you DO NOT have a true medically diagnosed ADD/ADHD contion moderate to heavy abuse of stimulants (ecspecially Adderall) can lead to a permanent downgrading (frying) of the nureons responsible for dompine & norepinephrine. This causes an otherwise "normal" persone to develop true symptoms of ADD/ADHD and Major Depression as a result. It feels like living in a hard amp crash forever. (a.k.a HELL)
IF you tell your doctor "honestly" about abuse of any substance you just violated the procedure for prescribing Sched. II drugs therfore voiding your ability to be prescribed them. There are some acceptions, but rarely.
Adderall is a much more powerful drug than most people realize. More than I realised. I usually research everthing but still did not comprehend certain truths.
Adderall should only be used with the support system of a good doctor and therapist to be able to help you handle possible contingences that it's use could lead to. They test you periodically by taking you off of it to see the present state of your ADD condition. This sessation was conducted twice on me and it was difficult. I suffer from ADD/Major Depression/PTSD. I need this shit to live a functional life. I just got my Adderall script renewed after a 2 month off period (30mg 2x daily) and I feel better already.
SO if you do have ADD and like to use rec. stimulants keep it in check because your doc won't prescribe them even if you wise up and really need them.
IF you DO NOT have a true medically diagnosed ADD/ADHD contion moderate to heavy abuse of stimulants (ecspecially Adderall) can lead to a permanent downgrading (frying) of the nureons responsible for dompine & norepinephrine. This causes an otherwise "normal" persone to develop true symptoms of ADD/ADHD and Major Depression as a result. It feels like living in a hard amp crash forever. (a.k.a HELL)
IF you tell your doctor "honestly" about abuse of any substance you just violated the procedure for prescribing Sched. II drugs therfore voiding your ability to be prescribed them. There are some acceptions, but rarely.
Adderall is a much more powerful drug than most people realize. More than I realised. I usually research everthing but still did not comprehend certain truths.
Adderall should only be used with the support system of a good doctor and therapist to be able to help you handle possible contingences that it's use could lead to. They test you periodically by taking you off of it to see the present state of your ADD condition. This sessation was conducted twice on me and it was difficult. I suffer from ADD/Major Depression/PTSD. I need this shit to live a functional life. I just got my Adderall script renewed after a 2 month off period (30mg 2x daily) and I feel better already.
SO if you do have ADD and like to use rec. stimulants keep it in check because your doc won't prescribe them even if you wise up and really need them.
SolidEther
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I used to take mdma back when it was first become really popular in the late 90's it was crazy fun.. Only if you let your brain recover 1-3 months before rolling again, unless you want to cook your dopamine/ norepinephrine reuptake ability permanently. If that happens you are truly fucked ecspecially without an amp script. Adderall acts differently on everyone, myself I can achieve high euphoria ecspecially in the beginning of occasional recreational usage. I have a true ADD brain so I cannot function without stims, tried to an epic failure. So using Adderall is ultimately a game of resposibilty because it can become more readily available than MDMA. People with ADD have a brain anatomy and chemistry that is affected by low or improper dopamine production.
IF you DO NOT have a true medically diagnosed ADD/ADHD contion moderate to heavy abuse of stimulants (ecspecially Adderall) can lead to a permanent downgrading (frying) of the nureons responsible for dompine & norepinephrine. This causes an otherwise "normal" persone to develop true symptoms of ADD/ADHD and Major Depression as a result. It feels like living in a hard amp crash forever. (a.k.a HELL)
IF you tell your doctor "honestly" about abuse of any substance you just violated the procedure for prescribing Sched. II drugs therfore voiding your ability to be prescribed them. There are some acceptions, but rarely.
Adderall is a much more powerful drug than most people realize. More than I realised. I usually research everthing but still did not comprehend certain truths.
Adderall should only be used with the support system of a good doctor and therapist to be able to help you handle possible contingences that it's use could lead to. They test you periodically by taking you off of it to see the present state of your ADD condition. This sessation was conducted twice on me and it was difficult. I suffer from ADD/Major Depression/PTSD. I need this shit to live a functional life. I just got my Adderall script renewed after a 2 month off period (30mg 2x daily) and I feel better already.
SO if you do have ADD and like to use rec. stimulants keep it in check because your doc won't prescribe them even if you wise up and really need them.
IF you DO NOT have a true medically diagnosed ADD/ADHD contion moderate to heavy abuse of stimulants (ecspecially Adderall) can lead to a permanent downgrading (frying) of the nureons responsible for dompine & norepinephrine. This causes an otherwise "normal" persone to develop true symptoms of ADD/ADHD and Major Depression as a result. It feels like living in a hard amp crash forever. (a.k.a HELL)
IF you tell your doctor "honestly" about abuse of any substance you just violated the procedure for prescribing Sched. II drugs therfore voiding your ability to be prescribed them. There are some acceptions, but rarely.
Adderall is a much more powerful drug than most people realize. More than I realised. I usually research everthing but still did not comprehend certain truths.
Adderall should only be used with the support system of a good doctor and therapist to be able to help you handle possible contingences that it's use could lead to. They test you periodically by taking you off of it to see the present state of your ADD condition. This sessation was conducted twice on me and it was difficult. I suffer from ADD/Major Depression/PTSD. I need this shit to live a functional life. I just got my Adderall script renewed after a 2 month off period (30mg 2x daily) and I feel better already.
SO if you do have ADD and like to use rec. stimulants keep it in check because your doc won't prescribe them even if you wise up and really need them.
So since i told some random conveniance care doctor that i took mdma once does that mean that if i go see a ADHD doctor they cant prescribe me medication for my ADHD? I asked that doctor if it was confidential and just between me and her, but maybe they can lie?
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Yes it could be, it depends on your tolerance for MDMA. You would not have an appreciable high.
Everyone is different so it´s difficult to precisely say how much would have to take.
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Personally I like to be on Adderall (Not dexedrine, the levo isomer of adderall adds to PNS stimulation which really amps the body up) for going to shows/events compared to MDMA. MDMA makes me to out of it, I think it's better suited for quiet settings by yourself or with close friends. Also what if you meet like a girl or something, you might end up making an idiot out of yourself because you're on MDMA, wouldn't that suck? (not saying you won't come off as a pompous idiot on speed tho lol).
Omg. My game game sucks on mdma, im a sensitive retard who cant put words together but yet is very eager to talk, not good at all for getting girls to fuck! Haha.. So thats true, but does adderall make you more talkative at just higher doses? Because i've only experimented with somewhat low doses so far (20mg) and i went to my local mall to do some shopping and i actually felt like i didnt want to talk to anyone, i felt very in my head... Maybe thats just cause i was at a mall though haha, maybe going out would be different...
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Well for me high doses of amphetamine don't cause me to yap my noggin off (doses of + 500mg over a few hours). It might be because I have ADD so I get very calm on stimulants and don't get all chatty. I mean like right now Ive done 200mg of ice and 75mg of dexedrine and it's not like I feel compelled to phone people or anything, just listening to music on youtube and posting here is good enough for entertainment. I have seen people without ADD take amphetamine (dextro and methyl) and not be able to shut up, it gets annoying lol. 20mg is a very low dose so I don't know what it'd be like if you titrated it to a clubbing dose. If anything coming off high on speed in front of a girl is way less worse than coming off high on MDMA, you're less prone to make a fool of yourself.
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Well not everyone in real life is as liberal about MDMA use and such as the people here. Generally it's better to try and not make yourself come off as a drugged up fuck head.