Adderal + THC Anxiety "bad trip?"

[sppankyy]

Okay, where to begin... Well i've never been one to experiment with drugs, im 19 and started smoking marijuana a few years ago but i have always loved it, never bothered with anything else. I have a relatively high tolerance, been smoking daily for a while now on nothing but high grade, including THC wax (high concentrate shatter) aka "Dabs"... it wasn't until a few weeks ago i tried my first drug other then weed.

We got ahold of 30mg adderal and i was nervous at first, took 1 and a short while later i was having the best time of my life. Ended up snorting maybe a total of 1 more 30mg pill over the next few hours, probably less, though i honestly didn't feel like snorting them did much. Was a good day all in all though until later when i started pounding beers on an empty stomach. Im pretty sure thats what made me puke because i threw up and felt better immediately. By this time i believe i was coming down, i smoked a little tree and went to sleep.


My 2nd time doing adderal i took another 30MG at work, kept me super focused, i finished out the night and that was it, no puke, no anxiety. And i mention my 2nd experience because i had zero issues and the 3rd ends up being a total NIGHTMARE.

Okay, so for my 3rd time, we had 20MG adderal XR. I took 2 around noon and started feeling good. The XRs were taking longer to kick in, i took one more a little after 3 and soon after started feeling the first two, but was still good. Some time passes, was having a great time and then we venture back to my buddys house and we stopped on the way and i got a monster energy drink (i know, bad idea) we got to his house, was feeling fine still, (didnt finish the monster) and i could feel all 3 working at this point (60mg total) and here's where it goes south... my buddy comes over and easily talks me into taking a HUGE snake dab. If you're unfamiliar with THC concentrates, 1 normal sized dab hit is about the equivalent of smoking 1 blunt to yourself, but this was no normal sized dab... so i basically took about 4-5 blunts to the face in 1 hit. I go inside to sit down for a second and then it all happens, blurry vision, felt like i couldn't take a full breath, sweating, nausea, racing heart, and mixed in all together with the paranoia, i thought i was gunna die... ended up sitting in front of like 3 fans for the next few hours, slurring my words, feeling really heavy and scarred, having what i presume an anxiety attack? Ended up puking a few times but the anxiety didn't go away for a while still. I ended up making it throught it, woke up the next day with canker sores on the roof of my mouth, sore jaw and that was that.

Idk what caused me to go south so quick, i presume the highly potent thc and all the paranoia. Since then i haven't smoked much because when i smoked before work that next day i got the same anxiety feeling just from tree. It's been about a week since the bad trip and i'm still getting mild anxiety when i smoke which really sucks cuz i smoked everyday with zero anxiety issues. It's probably not too bad of a thing because i've been meaning to take a tolerance break anyway,i regularly do this to save money and clear my head every once in a while.

So if you managed to read threw my whole essay, here are my questions...

What caused this "bad trip"?

Will i always experience anxiety when i smoke now?

Am i safe to do adderal again? Because just in those few days my life improved tremendously, i believe i always had ADHD , i was way more organized and put together and could see the benefits of just taking a normal prescription dose to get the positive benefits like the 2nd time i took 1.

Leave me your thoughts on what i should do...

 

[SwelledPupil]

Amphetamines and cannabis have both been known to cause some paranoia. However that is a relatively low adderall dose to cause paranoia by itself. From what I hear Sativa strains are more known to cause paranoia, but I've only ever smoked Indica and hybrids. Maybe the THC and Adderall both contributed to the anxiety. I can't really say though, I've smoked while on adder all several times and nothing like that has ever happened to me.

 

[motiv311]

First off snorting adderall is soooo soo dumb, it doesn't work really at all, you'll be lucky to get 1/5th the effect from it like that... THAT IS A FACT! I don't care what you think cause your wrong.... I've been on adderall since i was 11 and i'm 29 now, and let me just tell you that they are designed to NOT WORK when snorted... you have 4 different isomers of amphetamine in adderall , non of which are water soluble or active in the mucus membranes, the only way you'd feel anything from them snorting it, is if you got the majority of the pill to drip cleanly into your throat and then you swallowed. Just go buy crystal meth if you want to snort amphetamines, (don't do this) otherwise you are just asking for blue boogers for a week and to be a poser OK! Try taking them on an empty stomach with milk and you will need 1/2 the dosage you've been trying to snort... and the rush from swallowing them is SOO much better too.


basically THC and amphetamines interact like crazy awesome ... super enhancing each other in the best sort of way... but you need to be totally tolerant to both drugs before you really want to combine them... In other words , when I was 16 and just starting to smoke weed I had a panic attack from hell because I was still feeling my adderall from my day at school, and was just getting into smoking weed... Took one toke off the bong and instant nightmare, can't catch my breath feeling... basically like when I shot coke (which i did years later, only once, and felt like I got the wind knocked out of me, and my nuts kicked with steel toe boots) its too much.

so start real slow.... first of all at your age 20 mg of adderall should have you going pretty euphorically all by itself for almost 8 hours. I was able to get high from 20-40mg until I was about 21... Less is more with adderall, in other words , its a fact that in human trials most people treated with an amphetamine reported euphoria from the LOWER DOSES.... its true, just the right amount of your natural personality combined with a slight dose of adderall (20-30mgs) will make you feel on top of the world... its all your perspective... so like you might be most popular , confident dude with the right amount of adderall , and then when you keep uping the dosage (because your mind complicates it, and you THINK your feeling better) but in reality the people around you think you seem a bit zany and strange , and your just on a different level, usually anihlating the euphoria .... so just watch out for that....

after you've been taking adderall for a good while and really know what your doing, take your medium dosage, wait for it to kick in, and then smoke a joint with some mid level hybrid weed (no thc extracts or edibles) ... take small hits and slowly access how you feel, always keep it on the light side , cause it can creep up on you really fast..... soon you should be feeling higher than a kite in a clear headed amazing way.... try listening to music.... have a cigarette, enjoy life.

 

[sppankyy]

Yea, i tottaly agree about the snorting thing, i was kind of just going under my buddys wing with the whole thing but i quickly realized on my own that snorting does nothing for me. I'm just confused why im still having anxiety a week later when i just smoke weed??? Do you think i would be okay if i tried the adderal again? I just don't want another anxiety attack, it was the worst thing ive ever experienced and idk if i will experience it again from the adderal like i am from weed. And the low dose thing makes sense, i have no interest in trying to geek out on high doses ever again, just that feeling of being on top of everything and that euphoria is what i loveddd. And could the 20mg xrs have affected me different? Or should i try to stick to the regular 30MG orange pills?

 

[motiv311]

To be honest, if you have been having anxiety a week later , you will probably get anxiety from it and/or weed if you continue to use them.... my older brother had a "bad trip" on adderall and had a panic attack, and now he has panic attacks permenately and a "heart arythimia" (his words not mine) .... anyway , that one experience triggered it.... for me I had one panic attack, but I was able to calm myself down, and i believe cigarettes had someting to do with it... but i was using meth when that happened, while delivering pizzas having a cigarette, and i had to pull over and just breath for like 20 mins, with heavy naseau and dizziness, shortness of breath.... fear and near panic.

 

[sppankyy]

I really hope that isn't the case..the anxiety has become less and less for each time i smoke. I think i will just take a little break and smoke a small amount when i start again... if the anxiety is gone i would really like to be able to use adderal again to improve on my life because it did wonders. I also have high blood pressure due to eating junk and lack of exercise, but the adderal made me want to exercise and eat right, it made me feel unhealthy and all i wanted to do was get healthy and on track with life in general. Im going to try to lower my HBP while i take this break because apparently amphetamine can raise it too.

 

[deos68]

To be honest, if you have been having anxiety a week later , you will probably get anxiety from it and/or weed if you continue to use them.... my older brother had a "bad trip" on adderall and had a panic attack, and now he has panic attacks permenately and a "heart arythimia" (his words not mine) .... anyway , that one experience triggered it.... for me I had one panic attack, but I was able to calm myself down, and i believe cigarettes had someting to do with it... but i was using meth when that happened, while delivering pizzas having a cigarette, and i had to pull over and just breath for like 20 mins, with heavy naseau and dizziness, shortness of breath.... fear and near panic.

sorry bud but panic attacks are not permanent im sure he scared himself shit less which is a by product of anxiety and panic disorders..fear
some people can recover just fine from a bad trip but others cant
and if he never had a heart problem prior to that whole incident its more than likely he gets heart palpitations which are in fact normal...people with anxiety disorders feel them more than someone who doesnt have anxiety and can instantly cause fear

nicotine accelerates your bpm which is indeed normal
some people get scared because they think something is wrong no different from downing a cup of coffee or drinking a red bull

 

[lolagranola]

That is NOT a fact and saying "I don't care what you think cause you're wrong" doesn't serve as evidence or proof of this statement being "FACT".

These are just my opinions, experiences, and advice of getting with Adderall and with THC. I think the best feelings I have ever had has been when I'm no longer interested in taking more adderall and I start to smoke. It gives me a whole body high, so I'm really loosey goosey but my mind is still pretty sharp. The best sex I've ever had has been while high on amphetamine and THC. But anyway...

It is stupid to snort the XR, but it can be done if you really crush the little balls of medicine up. But even then, I feel that I have never felt truly high on these and that XR kinda makes me feel sickly, stomach aches, nausea, especially when you don't feel like eating all day.

If you have the average regular release adderall, snorting it will get it to your system much faster and it hits pretty fast like within 10-15 minutes.

Monsters and high caffeine drinks are NOT a good idea. They always make me feel ill and nauseous and just shitty in general.

When I smoke, I find that I don't have to smoke much at all to get where I want to be. So, I think the majority of your problems were high caffeine and high doses of THC. Also, you really have to make an effort to keep some food in your stomach. I know it's counter-intuitive and that you feel like you have to force yourself to eat even a small amount, but it really helps keep you from feeling fatigue and from feeling nauseous.

I've never had a good experience with alcohol and amphetamine or alcohol with THC. Makes me sick to my stomach almost immediately.

Also, do small doses throughout your day. If you're just eating the XR, it's fine. But do not snort 30 mgs at once! I always eat a 20 mg and then snort 10 mg. Then snort 10 mg or 5 mg throughout time to keep me high and focuses.

Also - DRINK LOTS OF WATER.

Amphetamine is a diuretic, so it makes you pee a lot, and it makes your body absorb liquids much faster, which can lead to dehydration which can also be a huge factor in feeling shitty as hell.

I've been taking adderall since 2007 and I've learned a lot from mistakes and from a lot of shitty highs.

 

[Snakevillon]

to the person who said adderal has 4 amp isomers that are not water soulable that is so wrong adderal has 2 isomers D and L and both are water soulable d-amp is the good stufff makes up 75% of the addy its soulablilty is 80mg per ml of water i would no i shoot my addys and its way way better than eating em

 

[PotatoMan]

Nope, this combo will cause tachycardia which leads to panic attacks. Just don't mix uppers with weed. Most people can't handle it

 

[PriestTheyCalledHim]

You either got anxiety from either the moderate dose of Adderall, or the cannabis, or even both as some people can get anxiety from both amphetamines and cannabis.

 

[motiv311]

4 isomers dummy

Dextroamphetamine sulphate
Dextroamphetamine sacri..
Levoamphetamine sulphate
Levoamphetamine sacrilide.

 

[Crashing]

Cannabis is a psychedelic, so by a certain way of neurotransmission, cannabis and other psychedelics tend to increase the users awareness of themselves and their surroundings. So when we mix weed with Adderall, not only are we combining the increased cardiovascular effects of each, but also becoming hyperaware of the stimulatory effects that were already present.

Anxiety often stems from experiencing unexpected or misunderstood events. When the combination kicks in, the user is entering a psychological 'trip.' The initial thoughts upon the induction seem to play a major role in the emotional response to the effects.

If spankyy believes that weed is neuro-protective, and that it safely increases the positive effects of Adderall, he will experience a very euphoric synergy. Conversely, if spankyy enters the trip with the idea that the weed has just increased the Adderall effects to dangerous levels, he will experience anxiety and panic.

In my case, the first time i ever mixed Adderall and weed, i had a panic attack. Years later, i enjoy this combination to the fullest extent based on the way that i have come to understand the effects.

Disclaimer: This post has no basis in fact, just my experience and hippy dippy.

 

[motiv311]

^actually cannabis is no longer considered a psychedelic .... It is considered unclassified ... cause it exhibits multiple types of effects depending on the user.... for instance it can be a depressant, stimulant, psychedelic, dissasociative, hypnotic etc. etc.

yes it does increase sensitivity to cannabis though

 

[Crashing]

^actually cannabis is no longer considered a psychedelic .... It is considered unclassified ... cause it exhibits multiple types of effects depending on the user.... for instance it can be a depressant, stimulant, psychedelic, dissasociative, hypnotic etc. etc.


People can have dissociative effects from diphenhydramine, which is an anti histamine. They can have a stimulated effect from Oxycocodone, which is a depressant . One can feel relaxed from Cocaine, a stimulant. Ultimately Cannabis is 'mind expanding', leading to a heighten state of awareness, which many people including myself refer to as 'Psychedelic'.

But, "Unclassified" gives it that government conspiracy vibe that we've always been leaning towards. I dig it.