Opioids Adapting Surplus Vicodin for Preparedness Use

[MrBlakeney]

Hey All-

New to the forums (longtime secret reader). I'll be re-registering with a vastly more anonymous name, not because I want to ask anything super illicit, but it dawned on me that I didn't want a drug forum popping up if you googled my last name. But that's neither here nor there. I recently went to the hospital for a Staph infection and was prescribed Vicodin for the pain. I took them all in a near constant-dose because, well, I was in a lot of pain. The pain has since all but subsided so it came as some surprise when he prescribed me another 20 pills for the pain. These are Vicodin ES (750/7.5MG)'s. My thinking is as follows. It occurred to me that since I have no use for them now I could put them aside for a disaster preparedness kit - I thought I'd put ten aside as orals and then reduce the other ones to syringes for instant use should I require an immediate pain relief.

The thought was that I'd be able to make pre-prepared syrettes (I'm big into disaster preparedness) that could be administered for, say, a fall and subsequent break when I'm hiking to drag myself to safety or if I'm at a particularly boring party. In actuality, I'd stuff them in my go-bag so if I get into any of a number of situations where I get a scrape and have to keep moving without time to go to the hospital, I could jam it into my leg and be good to go.

So the question becomes - how do I do it? My hypothesis was to buy some insulin needles (just the needles, not the syringes), cold water extract the hydrocodone, and suspend it in USP which I'd then transfer to a flexible plastic tube that would receive the needle end. So, the question becomes:
-Is this fundamentally sound?
-More importantly, do I need just the hydrocodone or would I be better served by keeping the Acetaminophen?
-What can I use for my syrettes?
-Is there a lot of shit I need to filter out in the pill (filler, etc.)?

Thanks in advance! I know some of you are going to say "SWIM Says just keep 'em and crush em up and parachute 'em," others still will likely say I'm just going to shoot it now, but the emphasis here is on storage. I'm keeping half for sustained relief, but I think it'd be handy to have some homebrew Morphine Syrettes a la WWII.

Thanks everybody!

--MRB

 

[sekio]

-Is this fundamentally sound?

Not really. Hydrocodone isn't for IV use - it can cause histamine releases etc, and it's already super well absorbed orally.
Drugs in solution degrade faster than drugs stored dry.
You would need to ensure sterility by working in a clean environment (preferably a glovebox with filtered air) and bacteriostatic water

-More importantly, do I need just the hydrocodone or would I be better served by keeping the Acetaminophen?

Ideally you'd want just hydrocodone, but see above.

-What can I use for my syrettes?

I think you can buy syrettes of distilled water "not for injection". Wouldn't advise making your own. Wouldn't advise using single use needles. (too hard to keep the tips clean). Luer lock syringes are probably going to be ideal (load em with blunt tips, cap the end with a sterile needle.)

-Is there a lot of shit I need to filter out in the pill (filler, etc.)?

Oh boy yes. Binders & fillers probably. If you're intent on doing this you would likely want to do a modified coldwater extraction and recover the hydrocodone via recrystallization or solvent seperation. (acid/base seperation is ideal)

 

[tricomb]

A few things. First, please review the OD Guidelines and BLUA, links found in my signature. Second, we don't SWIM here but read up on self-incrimination. Third, what do you mean you're going to order needles only not the syringes? don't you mean the opposite? I don't understand.


Honestly, there's no reason to put hydrocodone into a liquid solution. It's not going to keep in liquid form, bacteria thrives in that environment, honestly if you want to be prepared, just put the pills into your survival kit untampered with.. You can't inject hydrocodone anyways, even if it wasn't compounded with Acetaminophen, let alone via IM injection "jammed into your leg". It doesn't work that way. Plus, hydrocodone is not time released anyways, the pills are already as instant release as they're ever going to be.

 

[MrBlakeney]

Thanks for the quick and fluent responses guys. Much appreciated. I knew it would be a longshot, but it sounds like an out and out terrible idea which I have no qualms about admitting but having a rapid-release painkiller at my fingertips in the event of an emergency had its allure. As far as storing them in the go-bag, is there a particular method that I should follow? I'm assuming with protection from sunlight and extreme heat they'll be fine for at least two years, though this figure is just an educated guess and not verified. Also, if it's not in breech of the TOU of Bluelight, is there a way to make them smaller? I don't want to step on anybody's toes or put the forum at risk in any way, but if there were a way to combine, say, two or three and leave them as unadulterated painkillers in a smaller package that would be immensely beneficial to the overall weight/size of my go-bag. Thanks!

--MrB.

P.S. Again, thanks. You guys really know what you're talking about from all indications and I appreciate your time. I have a separate issue but I don't want to get flagged for double-posting. It's more an inquiry about the merits of a particular drug that I'd seek a prescription for but if I should post it here to avoid clogging the forums, please let me know. The drug in question is Provigil/Nuvigil, and it's a general inquiry. Thanks!

 

[sekio]

If you want to make them smaller, run a cold water extraction, add a little tocopherol or some shit to stop oxidation, and re-cap it however you like

Please don't talk about sourcing drugs here. you can discuss the merits of rx drugs but don't point out that you're doing so just to doctor-shop as it were.

 

[MrBlakeney]

I'm not trying to talk about sourcing them. I'm wondering if I should be concerned about any of the demerits of either drug and what the distinction between Armodafinil/Nuvigil (the active enantiomer of Provigil) and Provigil/Modafinil is. That's all. They're fairly new, and I'm wondering if anybody has any theories about brain-melting or negative side effects outside of physiological reactions of the immediate variety, i.e., rashes, shortness of breath, etc. My ex-girlfriend sent me a link to an article about the latter (Johann Hari's "My Experiment With Smart Drugs") and she's thinking of buying them online. By the same token, I was interested in pursuing them through either my doctor/Primary Care Physician or my psychotherapist as they seem quite promising for the regular lethargy I feel at work. That's all.

EDIT: There's also an over-the counter (sic; not sure if that's entirely accurate, but non-regulated) form of the drug called Adrafinil/Olmifon that's the Prodrug of Nuvigil. As I'm fairly new to this side of the chemistry field (well, let's not be too generous, I'm a chemistry rookie through and through) I figured I'd ask the informed parties.

 

[tricomb]

Honestly there's no better way to store the hydrocodone than the form it's already in. Keep them in a waterproof, dark/UV proof, dry, clean bottle, for example, the prescription bottle it came in.

 

[Swimmingdancer]

As for your question about Provigil/Nuvigil, since it's a totally different topic than this thread it should be fine to make a new thread for your queries - provided that your post fits the OD Guidelines. What I believe sekio was getting at is that you said "that I'd seek a prescription for": we don't allow discussion of how to convince your doctor to prescribe you a drug or things of that nature. So I would leave out anything about it being something you are looking to get prescribed and just stick to your questions about the drug. It would be a good idea, as tricomb recommended, to read the Guidelines for any forum you are going to post in before posting. Here are the Guidelines for Other Drugs.

I would also recommend you consider editing your post where it says "it dawned on me that I didn't want a drug forum popping up if you googled my last name". (If you choose to edit your post to remove that I can edit this post as well). Blakeney is such a common name and without that sentence no one would even know it was your real name, so I don't think you really need to create a new account solely out of fears that someone will Google you - Googling Blakeney does not turn up this site (at least not in the first 1000 results). If you do create a new account, you must abandon this login name as per the BLUA which prohibits multiple login names. And in order to use the same email address for your next account, you would have to edit the profile of the old account to change that email address before registering the new account. You would also have to delete anything you posted with this account if you wanted it to not appear anymore.

Welcome to Bluelight

 

[The.Ghost]

A Provigil v. Nuvigil thread exists already. Link.