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Heroin actual bodily harm from h

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gregM

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Can some informed person please tell me what ACTUAL harm intravenous use of heroin causes. Especially pertaining to the heart, and palpitations. Im sick of hearing the general, 'dope is bad' . And also what damage does the water being injected into the bloodstream. And also I am not talking about long term use, just occasional.
Thank you very much all information would be greatly appreciated
 
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Can some informed person please tell me what ACTUAL harm intravenous use of heroin causes. Especially pertaining to the heart, and palpitations. Im sick of hearing the general, 'dope is bad' . And also what damage does the water being injected into the bloodstream. And also I am not talking about long term use, just occasional.
Thank you very much all information would be greatly appreciated
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opiates are VERY soft on the body/major organs.

the real problem lies in the cut of your dope and your iv technique.

to the best of my knowledge IV is the safest ROA in terms of bodily damage.

get good dope ( or purify it yourself ) ,and be sure to be as clean and sterile with your IV technique as possible and youll be safe.
 
And also I am not talking about long term use, just occasional.
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Can some informed person please tell me what ACTUAL harm intravenous use of heroin causes.
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I.V. administration of diamorphine has minimal toxic effects on the body except in overdose where it causes CNS depression notably in respiratory function. With any puncture of the skin you are risking infection, collapsed veins, clots, etc.

Especially pertaining to the heart, and palpitations.
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Street heroin use often includes injecting insoluble cuts or non-sterile techniques which introduces bacteria into the blood stream. This can cause infection/irritation of the valves of the heart or infection of the sac surrounding the heart which can lead to palpitations.

And also what damage does the water being injected into the bloodstream.
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Injection of non-isotonic solutions into the blood stream (e.g. pure water) will draw ions from the surrounding blood vessels thereby damaging them. Think of how your fingers get wrinkled if you spend too long in the bath.
 
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Gonna move this to Other Drugs, they have loads of good info on opis there. Should also note that a lot of the potential harm actually comes from physically IVing, irrelevant of the drug.

BDD -> OD
 
Allegator pretty much said it all.

Pure heroin is pretty easy going on the body. However, since what almost 99% of what people use is bought on the streets, you never know what cuts your shooting into your veins. I knew a kid that found out his dope had been cut with rat poison and he only knew because he became very sick and it showed up in the toxicology results. This is another reason not to heat your heroin if you have powder. Some of these cuts are not water soluble, and cooking it will not "boil out the cut" but rather melt it into the solution, and then later solidify in your blood stream which can cause obstruction in your veins.

Also make sure to always use new, clean syringes to insure that you don't catch infections or destroy your veins. The same goes for the water you use, and your cooker and filters. .2 micron filters can actually filter out bacteria which is pretty awsome as well.

Heroin itself is not toxic, but IV drug use can lead to risky behaviour and complications if you don't educate yourself on it. Always test your dope first too, when you get a new batch. I've had habits where I needed to shoot 5 bags to get a proper high, and then I get a new batch, and one bag will send me to the moon.
 
talc

one thing you definitely want to watch out for is if your h is cut with talc. intravenousy injected talc deposits in the liver (without significant adverse effects afaik) and in the lungs. In the lungs it will cause a condition called talc granulomatosis which is pretty much emphysema, or develops into that or pulmonary fibrosis.... i don't know if it's filtered out with normal filtering/purification techniques but i thought i'd mention this. Also there's talc in a Lot of different tablets,, hopefully they'd be filtered out in some way but if not your lungs could be fucked. there's been a case of one guy developing this type of lung problem 30 years after his last iv use. fyi.
 
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You can purify heroin but you need some, not a lot, but some solvents, chemicals, and equipment that the average heroin user doesn't have on hand, and the procedure, although a simple A/B extraction, can be too much for some.

It's not easy like acetone washing coke or meth. I'm also not trying to discourage people from purifying their heroin, but if by purifying their heroin, they somehow end up contaminating it even more, that wouldn't be HR so I thought I should mention this.
 
Chronic opiate abuse :

lowered testosterone
decreased bone density
hyperalgesia

However, it has little effect on organs. Damage caused due to impurities and administration not taken into account.
 
Thank you Thank you all for all this really great information, for real. where can you find .2 micron filters?

And what do you mean by purify it yourself?
 
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gregM said:
Thank you Thank you all for all this really great information, for real. where can you find .2 micron filters?

And what do you mean by purify it yourself?
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Basically if you have a very good working knowledge of chemistry and the right equipment, solvents, lab setup, etc. etc. you can purify heroin (i.e. remove the cut so it's pure heroin). As said, unless your a chemist this isn't a safe or practical option for 99.99% of people.

OP, if you haven't already done so, check out the IV Complications Megathread. Also has a LOT of info on IV issues generally speaking.

And regarding use of heroin, although it is very VERY rare (we're talking like 1/1000 people who use heroin), it is possible to use it a couple times and never have it become a problem or develop a addiction. As said, this is very VERY rare though (and no one has any business assuming this applies to them - it's a judgement you can only make after the fact).
 
Has anyone ever found micron filters at a syringe access program or pharmacy in the US? Only place I find them is online.. and honestly the dope around here is really clean, I can't warrant spending an extra 3 bucks for every shot. If my primary drug was a pill I would def micron it. But the white powdered dope around here is so clean and mixes up 100% translucent with nothign left behind, cold water no heat, it seriously looks like pharmaceutical grade drugs when it's in your syringe lol.

That being said it is WAY better to use micron filters as a cotton can not accomplish what they do. If you have acess and can afford it, by all means use them as it is the safest way to filter.
 
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That being said it is WAY better to use micron filters as a cotton can not accomplish what they do. If you have acess and can afford it, by all means use them as it is the safest way to filter.
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Although most would whine and say, "No, they're out to my reach," when anyone with a ten dollar bill and access to a computer (the VAST majority of us, as one can find Internet Cafes and Libraries to use). Sadly most people who shoot dope (especially tar) don't use them for any number of silly reasons. Anyways, point I'm trying to make is that quote is very wise indeed.
 
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See the prob with dope is you can't micron a large amount at once because as far as I know dope eventually degrades to morphine (or something of the sort). If using bacteriostatic water and a drug like buprenorphine you can really get alot of bang for your buck. You can micron a large amount of bupe and just save it in your fridge, and whenever you want to inject you already have it there waiting.

If you do 1 bag shots and you do like 10 a day it can def get pricey using a micron.,..but hey whats more valuable, your body or extra dope. Your body is a temple and should be worshipped lol.. I knwo it sounds corny but it;s true. I hate my self for doing damage to my body using drugs.. I wish i was a dude who runs a 18mi marathon daily and all that jazz but instead I have been stuck in this look of falling back into my iv heroin use every time I get clean or close to it. Anyway that's besides the point lol.

And here is some advice for anyone who is going to micron filter.. cotton filter the solution first to get rid of the big particles, this will allow you to do more solution through your micron and make it easier to pu sh through. A drug like buprenorphine is 392mg inactive and 8mg active (roxanne 8mg pills). It's a lot to push through the micron but if you cotton filter first you can filter like 4 pills plus using a single micron.

I have never messed with tar heroin with a micron because its all white powder around here, so I am not sure how well that would work. I would imagine you have to get it into a liquid state at the very least filtered through a cotton first..other wise it;d just clog and the plunger would not go anywhere.

If you do a bluelight search for Captain Heroin's post where he guides you through micron filtering suboxone,. he has high res pics and a lot of good info as to what kind of syringes you need and luer lock tips etc.. It's a great post which you can apply to any drug. What surprises me is suboxone still has an orange tint after I micron it. I have to check Cap Heroins post but I am pretty sure he gets same results. Roxis on the other hand come out straight up clear as well as subutex.
 
I used to micron large amounts of dope and store them in bacostatic h2o. Over about a week the drug seemed to have degraded into morphine significantly, but for a couple days I didn't have any problems (and we're talking like a total of relatively good ~4g, which I would use over the week). But absolutely, degradation is a concern when using and trying to store heroin. Not nearly as easy as doing such with something like bupe as you say.

When it comes to tar heroin, which I was thinking of when I was writing my earlier post in regards to the micron filter comment, OH GOD. I hate it when I used to see people just using cotton to filter their tar (and this was pretty much how almost everyone I knew who shot tar did things). So fucking nasty. I mean, I can't imagine you're not asking for major trouble. I mean, I've done it with anything but a cotton, but I just can't shake the feeling that I'm putting myself in harms way unnecessarily. But then again, I'm kinda a hypochondriac ;)
 
Ya like everyone else said they thing you gotta worry about is the cut. you never know what could be in random street heroin. there was this one asshole that was cuttin his dope with seroquil to try and fool people into thinking it was really good but it just made it really dangerouse and knocked people out for example.
 
yuck... that must have been knock out dope!

sorry couldn't help myself ;)

once I bought dope from a REAL ASSHOLE corner dealer, basically some low level punk kid, and he had mixed cayenne pepper in as a cut... FUCKING ASSHOLE. I mean, really? Really?!

you never know though, unless you have a testing kit or something. and even then...
 
Honestly.. is heroin a lot worse once it has 'degreaded' to morphine? I almost want to experiment and let a shot degrade and compare to a fresh shot. I mean there is def a difference because i think even pure pharm grade diacetylmorphine comes in a powder form so as to avoid degregation.
 
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