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acidbase mescaline extraction outcome

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the outcome.

It's been evaporating for 3 days and the water level has gone down significantly, but the only sign of anything that would ever become crystals is brown all along the edges. To anyone who has ever done a typical acid base extraction on a San Pedro, Is it really supposed to be brown all along the edges like that? I have a feeling 48 hours of extremely hard work went to wase.
 
You won't get crystals just so. You'll probably end up with some goo which however can be ingested. Your stomach would turn the crystals into the goo anyhow, so don't worry.
 
^ Sounds like reasonable advise. I've never seen a simple acid-base extraction on a plant turn out crystals.
 
I had the same experience with an acid/base San Pedro extraction. I used citric acid for the end product and the water took a good 3-5 days to completely evaporate, and I was left with a brownish/orangish flaky goo type stuff. I'm guessing I used too much citric acid, which wasn't really a big deal. The stuff dissolved nicely in grape juice.
 
BilZ0r said:
^ Sounds like reasonable advise. I've never seen a simple acid-base extraction on a plant turn out crystals.
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it's possible, it's just that many people are too lazy to do multiple washings.

if you're still doing these experiments, i recommend washing the aqueous acidic extract with nonpolar (defatting). and then later, don't forget to wash the nonpolar extract with a slightly basic water solution until the washes come out clear. it'll help a lot in yielding a clean product
 
I have done this and gotten a fine tan/brown powder, i used HCl acid,

I did defat a few times with xylene, and I had it in a jar (55 grams powdered up T. Peruvians) - but I had done 5 pulls with xylene and still had more coming out :).

I just would put the xylene in another jar and drop a mix of hcl acid/water in there, shake it up, suck off the xylene and let the water evap - no further washing. Now I had a small fan blowing on the water/hcl by a window, eventually I put the dish on a heating pad, and left the room, came in and WHOA oops! ... never knew HCl gas was so damn corrosive, i still have metal in this room that looks a little messed up :) anyway, got a tan/brown powder that was very potent.
 
anyway, got a tan/brown powder that was very potent.
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Were you able to estimate the concentration of mescaline in your product i.e. what dosages did you take and what were the outcomes?
 
it's possible, it's just that many people are too lazy to do multiple washings.
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Yeah, but thats not a simple acid-base extraction anymore.
 
what is it called then? complex a/b? i think it's just a matter of semantics. my opinion is that these lil things are just common sense techniques. like washing the filter cake after a filtration. or back extracting the washes. these kinds of things aren't usually explicitly stated in procedures, but they are just nice lil extra things you can do.
 
What I was meaning is that if you just do an acid base extraction, you don't get crystals, or at least I've never seen it, or heard of it. You have to do wash the goop that you end up with to get crystals.
 
if you want crystals you should find out how soluble mescaline is in various solvents. find two solvents, one that mescaline is soluble in and one that is soluble in the other solvent but mescaline isn't, dissolve the brown goo in a minimum of the first (which mescaline is soluble in) then reduce the solvent to a VERY low volume and add thrice the original volume (of the first solvent) of the second (which mescaline is not), this SHOULD (huge emphasis on should) cause needles to fall out of solution.
 
BilZ0r said:
^ Sounds like reasonable advise. I've never seen a simple acid-base extraction on a plant turn out crystals.
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you don't know the right people ;) i managed it before the age of 18, although they were a little oily

as far as i know, pure mescaline is brown/tan crystals, so what you are describing could well be a good sign. however, you are probably unlikely to get crystals even if you defatted a lot due to the high levels (of fat) within the flesh. this is all i can say on the subject and i may well be wrong, but i'm just adding my point of view
 
I've very often gotten a dish full of shiny white crystals of (mostly pure) DMT from mimosa root bark, simply evap'ing some naptha right from a jar I just basified (often even just adding dry NaOH right to the jar!), no washing or anything
 
Actually its very common with mimosa bark - i've watched a guy locally do it (heh, a shitty job compared to me, of course ;) he smoked some of mine a while back and turned into a DMT addict like myself and started extracting), i watched him just "dump" some HCl acid right from the bottle (a huge amount) into the jars to soak the ground up bark, anyway, he gets white crystals often enough doing it the way he does (doesn't even wash the NaOH off when he's done).

Oh also i noticed with the mescaline extract from T. Peruvians, the tan powder smelled very nice - much like cinnamon.
 
What is the simplest method using say one solvent o get the most mesc out then evap. would xylene ethanol or acetone work best? i want to extract as few of other non-phyc stuff out as possible
 
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