Opioids accidentally ingesting bupreorphine

[StrappingYoungLad]

hey guys this might seem stupid to ya'll but when i copped dilaudids from my boy today i was about 1 day into withdrawals as a result from a 2-3 weeks of heavy binging on dilaudid and oxy. naturally i immediately wanted to relieve withdrawal symptoms but had forgotten a 'snorting implement' so i asked to borrow his which was coated with white powder. it did not cross my mind that he is on subutex these days... and it seems that i can't get any of the usual euphoria i get from snorting or eating the dillies to the point where my dose has me unable to keep my eyes open and with slow breathing but no real 'high.' is it possible i accidentally ingested enough bupe to prevent euphoric (mu receptor?) activity from the dilaudid? and is it safe to assume i wont be able to experience any as a result for the next 48 or so hours?

Thanks for the expertise

 

[HustlinBlues]

sounds like it. from experiance when my receptors are blocked liek that it takes well over 48 hours..

 

[Cane2theLeft]

If you ingested enough buprenorphine to block the hydromorphone, then first you would've experienced nasty precipitated withdrawal near instantly after ingesting because you are physically dependent. After that you would not experience the sedation and respiratory depression you described. Euphoria is partially psychological, its about what we expect to feel so you if you believed you might not experience the euphoria, that likely impacted the perception of it.

When your friend insufflated the bupe, some of it stuck to straw and there is no reason to believe enough of that would become unstuck when you snorted it, especially when you were ingesting your own substance, to produce a blocking effect.

 

[Mr Blonde]

^ Sounds like the best explanation to me.

 

[Captain.Heroin]

It's best not to share straws/snorting equipment with other people.

I think whatever is coated on the inside of the straw is likely to be very little actual buprenorphine, and probably mostly corn starch.

I wouldn't think whatever trace amounts of buprenorphine you snorted blocked your mu opioid receptors at all. If anything there even be light synergy.

If you think you are being effected by the buprenorphine, it shouldn't block opiates in your system for 48 hours, because it isn't a full dose, just a trace amount.

 

[JahRed24x]

i never understood the people that say "oh you gotta wait 72hrs b4 u can even feel another opiate" .. i found that after 24hrs you can usually get somewhat high and can pin out your pupils. This is on a dose of 2mgs

 

[Captain.Heroin]

i never understood the people that say "oh you gotta wait 72hrs b4 u can even feel another opiate" .. i found that after 24hrs you can usually get somewhat high and can pin out your pupils. This is on a dose of 2mgs

It's because a lot of people are "put on" a large dose of Suboxone (16 to 32 mg) and are unable to feel the full agonist opiates, and the frustration from wasting your $ for no high is pretty bad.

When you can take opiates to good effect again is dependent on the dose, and how many mu opioid receptors you have left.

When I was using 2mg sublingually in the morning, I was able to get pretty high from heroin at night time. However I don't use heroin anymore, and haven't had any cravings in a long time.

 

[JahRed24x]

Oh captain, i bet you if I came to you right now and said "Hey man here is an unlimited supply of pure diamorphine." I bet you would take it and use it everyday for the rest of your life. if you had an unlimited supply and never had to fear running out.. am I right or am I wrong?

 

[Captain.Heroin]

Oh captain, i bet you if I came to you right now and said "Hey man here is an unlimited supply of pure diamorphine." I bet you would take it and use it everyday for the rest of your life. if you had an unlimited supply and never had to fear running out.. am I right or am I wrong?

Nope! You're wrong.

I no longer like heroin like I used to. I was self-medicating and now have medications that cover me in the way heroin used to.

I no longer go through a painful WD syndrome. I would never willingly use heroin again.

The only reason I would use any full agonist opiates is due to pain, and I'm not a pain patient, hopefully never will be one. And, in that case, heroin is not what would be RX'd to me.

Additionally, heroin represses the testosterone level, I wouldn't ever want to experience that again. Buprenorphine does not repress it to the same degree.

The "high" of heroin is no longer worth it for me. I certainly enjoyed the time I had with it, but I would never return to using it.

In two days, I will have been clean for 18 months. Trust me when I say, if I ever wanted to use again, it would have happened by now. I don't even know how to get heroin anymore, I lost contact with my dealer a long time ago, and this isn't the city where you can walk up to people and score it, you have to kind of know the right people to not get horribly ripped off.

One last final way to look at it; if I ever did need pain meds one day, I would be shooting myself in the foot by using heroin before I needed pain meds. At such a point, I would have a high opiate tolerance, and then I wouldn't get any relief from pain relief medications, which is the opposite of what any pain patient needs.

 

[Cane2theLeft]

^Right on capt.

@jahred-

2mg will exhibit a substantially more limited blockade effect then 4mg and above, let alone 16-32mg.

 

[Captain.Heroin]

^Right on capt.

Thanks!

I understand the psychological component of addiction often lasts way after the physical withdrawal is gone, and for a lot of people this is what they struggle with the most.

I'm rather thankful Suboxone helped me as much as it did. It took a lot of work on my end as an individual, and I'm still in the middle of a lot of that work, but it's a work in progress.

What helped me the most, other than getting on Suboxone, was getting diagnosed and getting medication for ADHD. I think a lot of people who use heroin often have either an anxiety disorder, depression, ADHD, or other disorders/issues which may often go untreated. Since I am on ORT (and have been for a long time), and have recently gotten treatment for ADHD and less recently my insomnia, I am 100% happy with my life without heroin. %)

 

[ech0s85]

hey for the couple people that posted saying that it must not be the bupe because he didnt get PW, he was already in withdrawl when this happened so its possible that it could be from getting some residue out of the straw.

 

[ech0s85]

also captain heroin, when you said that heroin suppresses testosterone and you wouldnt want to go through that again, what symptoms did you experience?? Im addicted to heroin and ive recently been wondering if thats been affecting me to some degree. I was about to start a thread asking about it but i dont think it would get many useful responses.

 

[Cyb]

I don't think heroin really surpresses test. levels on the same level as say, poorly used steroids, but become dependant on a full mu agonist for a couple of months, and see what happens to your sex drive. (That's if you can even find it, to analyze it )

 

[Captain.Heroin]

also captain heroin, when you said that heroin suppresses testosterone and you wouldnt want to go through that again, what symptoms did you experience?? Im addicted to heroin and ive recently been wondering if thats been affecting me to some degree. I was about to start a thread asking about it but i dont think it would get many useful responses.

I didn't experience any adverse side effects like that, but hormonal changes are gradual, and you "get used to them" as time goes on. It's partially also why withdrawal can be very "emotional" for some people.

I'm just very well adjusted to buprenorphine, and I wouldn't want to revert back, only to have to come off of it later. It's hard to say how it effected me because I was using heroin when I was still relatively young, but having a lower testosterone level now for me would be a bad thing since I'm already older than 18-20. A bad thing in the sense that your body peaks naturally around those years, and only slightly declines naturally over the next few decades.

I work out about the same number of times out of a week I used to while on heroin, except I see better results now. I also do leg muscular exercises, which can raise HGH and testosterone levels, which is a great thing to do if you are on any opiates.

Most of all, I wouldn't want to stop seeing the results I've gotten from going to the gym thus far, because working out is one of the most rewarding things in the world when your endogenous endorphins have control of how you feel, and not heroin.

Some people may experience it as being less motivated, more tired, more "moody", it may explain why some people get "agitated" on opiates. I'm not exactly sure what happens to the human being with an unnaturally low testosterone level, but I do know two people who are men, both have low testosterone levels, and both have borderline personality disorder, which is a disorder more "stereotypical", or common, in women. I don't want to make inferences based on only two people, but I have a feeling diminished testosterone levels do have something to do with moodiness. I also think this because while women go through PMS, there is a male counterpart called IMS. It certainly would explain why men can get agitated on opiates, right?

I don't think heroin really surpresses test. levels on the same level as say, poorly used steroids, but become dependant on a full mu agonist for a couple of months, and see what happens to your sex drive. (That's if you can even find it, to analyze it )

You are probably correct in saying this, but the degree is noticeable enough for certain people to cause an impact in mental or physical health. For other people, they can probably abuse heroin and not notice a difference other than dependence and withdrawal.

 

[Mr Blonde]

^ Suppressed testosterone levels... so being an opioid addict during developmental years (teenage years) could have some serious effects on men then I guess?

Fuck...

 

[Captain.Heroin]

^ Suppressed testosterone levels... so being an opioid addict during developmental years (teenage years) could have some serious effects on men then I guess?

Fuck...

Your testosterone level peaks around age 18-20 anyways, so I don't really think abusing opiates in the teen years is the problem, I would think abusing them after your 20's would be a bigger impact/impairment than before 18-20.

Then again, I guess I didn't start using heroin until I was older than 18, so I can't really venture an educated guess, just my 2 cents.

I think as long as you're able to experience your peak testosterone years of your life (which may vary slightly per individual) without being on opiates, or at least after the peak is over, you should be fine.

Then again, there's a difference between using light full-agonist opiates like codeine, hydrocodone, and using moderate/high doses of powerful full-agonist opiates like methadone, heroin, fentanyl, etc. So I can't really say to what degree opiates effect the testosterone level, but I do know it happens to some extent.

 

[Cane2theLeft]

hey for the couple people that posted saying that it must not be the bupe because he didnt get PW, he was already in withdrawl when this happened so its possible that it could be from getting some residue out of the straw.

You're right if he didn't have ANY opioids on his receptors, there wouldn't be any to rip off.

Still... residual powder from a used straw is going to be micrograms of bupe, a small fraction of the 4mg+ required to provide a substantial blockade.

 

[ech0s85]

yeah youre right, i take 1mg of bupe and then get high right after a lot.

 

[BananasAndOranges]

It's best not to share straws/snorting equipment with other people.

I think whatever is coated on the inside of the straw is likely to be very little actual buprenorphine, and probably mostly corn starch.

I wouldn't think whatever trace amounts of buprenorphine you snorted blocked your mu opioid receptors at all. If anything there even be light synergy.

If you think you are being effected by the buprenorphine, it shouldn't block opiates in your system for 48 hours, because it isn't a full dose, just a trace amount.

Fucking word. I usually always keep a straw or 2 in my pocket or near me anymore. Anytime someone asks if I want a line they hand me the straw they just stuck up there nose. I dont play that shit even though I have more than a few times. I atleast wipe it off or turn it over ( I know this does slim to nothing killing germs).

On the getting high on subs. I took a few in the past for withdrawals. I wouldnt get high but the next day I would wake up and feel as if I did 20mg of oc.