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Acacia confusa (tryptamine-rich root bark, orally active without MAOI)

This is still available though at the shops the person who started this thread mentions, I'm sure of that. I'm not prepared to test a big dose but in the not so distant future I may go and see what I make of a smaller dose. My experiences with Ayahuasca were great so I'm hoping it's just the fact that he ingested a very high dose. I hear you with the MAO-inhibitor, that is definitely a big question. I'll let you know if I get on with it though a full on hours long dmt experience is not something I'm itching for at this moment in time.
 
As the OP noted, the short duration suggests an MAOI isn't involved, unless there are peripherally selective MAOI's?

mindb0dy said:
Another oddity: a strong tryptamine intoxication arose from orally ingesting the brew, but only lasted 40 minutes. Would it mean that MAO was repressed in the gut, but not elsewhere in the body? No idea!...
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Maybe, I guess low MAOI doses would reduce the duration, but it's probably difficult to get an intense experience too. I don't really know.
 
I'm not convinced any DMT containing tree bark is any way orally active without an MAOI. I think some people who take psychedelics have very vivid imaginations and can convince themselves they are tripping on pretty much anything.
 
why the skepticism?

thenightwatch said:
no one really knows lol :)
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QFT

there seems to be some skeptics with wht this person is reporting, but its important to remember that we do not know everything. perhaps there is some sort of MAOI in the bark that activates the DMT, or perhaps it is not n,n-dmt but rather a different compound, or combination of psychoactive compounds.

i know from personal experience doing mhrb extractions tht there are most def more than one active psychoactive compound in the bark. I have a friend who is very into the mimosa extraction process and he made a batch of extracted crystals containing the 'jungle spice' alkaloids that completely blew my mind.
now, ive had everything from relatively pure organic DMT- clear shards of crystal, synthetic n,n-dmt of extremely high potency, to a range of diif "jungle spice" extractions...and i can assure you..there is alot more than just plain ole DMT in mhrb= w/o question. the last batch i had was a crystal of distinct orange/red translucent in color, and it was the most psychoactive batch ive had yet. 50mg produced immediate effects like dmt tht seemed to increase in strength, and peak at~ 45 min,,lasting a total of approx 1.5-2hrs.. considering i was only expecting a relatively typical dmt experience- i found it to be a bit frigtening at around the 45 min mark...i waas slowly still climbing up when i should have been already coming down- scared the bejeezus out of me, lol.. proved to be a very worthwhile experience which i found to be deeper and more profound than a typical 50mg dmt experience which would normally not be enough to break through- really just produce some nice fractal visuals, and a semi-concious state for 20 minutes tops w a 15-20 minute comedown... some of the feelings it brought to surface were reminiscent of the couple 5meo-dmt exp i have had. kinda like that 'system reset' button got hit, if you follow. im sure many of you do.

my point being- we shouold never assume that we know exactly what all is in some of these natural psychoactive sources. theres always more to learn and room for new discoveries- makes no sense to be close minded and simply say "i dont buy it- dmt is not active orally w/o an maoi"
Who's to say dmt is the only active compound?

regardless, much thanks to the org poster- its always intersting to hear reports on relatively untested/unknown natural sources. perhaps taking your recipe, and drinking an 1/8 then up to 1/4 instead of 1/2 and find a sweet spot where effects are easier to deal with instead of horrifying, which is never fun, lol
 
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plusfourpirate said:
the last batch i had was a crystal of distinct orange/red translucent in color, and it was the most psychoactive batch ive had yet.
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Don't the crystals turn orange when you use xylene? I think it's just something to do with the xylene absorbing more of the red dust in the mimosa.


Who's to say dmt is the only active compound?

But how likely is there to be an unknown compound as powerful as DMT and active at the same dose range in mimosa?

makes no sense to be close minded and simply say "i dont buy it- dmt is not active orally w/o an maoi"

Well, if someone can guarantee me that if I drink down a foul tasting cup of mimosa sludge with no MAOI that I'll trip then I'll drink it. But I want a thousand quid in compensation if I don't trip. Are there any offers?
 
^I must be sick or dying or something because I'm agreeing with you Ismene 8o

makes no sense to be close minded and simply say "i dont buy it- dmt is not active orally w/o an maoi"
Who's to say dmt is the only active compound?
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In what, MHRB or acacia confusa?

DMT is not active orally without a MAOI; if there is something in either plant that is active, its not DMT.
 
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well im sure there are more factors than just the xylene that would change its color. oxidation alone will turn it orange over time...

and i wasnt suggesting it containing something as strong as dmt- but maybe something that potentiates it. just saying i def dont think its the only psychoactive compound in mhrb. just my opinion based on exp.

i was just trying to share an experience in which this particular batch, which he called "jungle spice" was distinctively different in color and had def different effects than plain ole dmt. i dont know why thats so hard to understand. im no chemist nor am i a genius by any stretch bro- but i am very experienced with dmt and psychs in general, certainly enough to know when there is a difference in the trip..everything from duration to intensity to overall feel. i only mentioned the color bc it sticks out in my head- all of his other shit is clear..this stuff came out fresh w a distinct color//never said it was important, just something tht sticks out to me.

and to willow- i guess i worded tht wrong. i was reffering to op comments on the acacia, and saying its not impossible for their to be some orally active compound that has effects akin to dmt; another tryptamine perhaps/ the sentance right after what you quoted is "whos to say that dmt is the only active chemical"...

o guess i kinda bounced back n forth, talking about the acacia and personal exp w/ mhrb..my bad; its late n i may be rambling a bit :)

i wasnt really trying to start a debate guys; i was really just saying that im sure theres a lot left to discover b4 we can just say 'thats impossible guy. you made this shit up." just trying to be positive and question the possibility of their being other active dmt like compounds present.
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plusfourpirate said:
which he called "jungle spice"
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I've heard of scary and sporty spice but I dunno about jungle mate ;)

certainly enough to know when there is a difference in the trip..everything from duration to intensity to overall feel

Is this when you smoked it pirate? Perhaps there are some other things in the bark that change a DMT trip when smoked but I think the active principle is DMT. I don't believe there's some mysterious compound unknown to mankind.

But yeah, you might be onto something, there's a lot of talk about "jungle spice" and how it's more "scary" than DMT.

I'm curious but I tend to think it's just normal DMT with a lot of placebo around it. If I tell a guy "This is scary spice, only smoked by the voodoo practitioners of East Africa when executing a chicken.." and then gave him ordinary DMT, I wonder how much "darker" I could make his trip?
 
Yuremamine is implicated as "Jungle spice". From an organic chemistry standpoint, this molecule should be deeply colored (compared to the vast number of compounds which are snow white when pure) and it is also likely that it can play a number of roles in inhibiting or promoting neurotransmitter action. It is not likely to cross into the brain, but probably affects the peripheral system intensely. It is also possible that it can decompose in some fashion to create a DMT prodrug of sorts.
 
Looks like it would be pretty water soluble in strong base though...
 
Wonder how it could be orally active without a MAOI.Maybe a high enough amount of some other MAO substrate it prevent the degradation of DMT? Still, it would need a lot of it.
 
Attempted (noob)extraction - Caustic soda, lighter fluid ect. The remaining alkaloids smoked produced effects exactly the same as mimosa hostilis - But the results could only be described as goo, rather than crystals. It is active orally though, but to me it does not feel like ayahuasca - Something else is at work.

Edit: Just to clarify, I did not eat the product of the extraction.
 
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