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? about methadone..

totach

totach

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So basically i am a fuck up and after wasting over $10,000 on my Ibogaine trip in Costa Rica i relapsed pretty quick i wouldnt even say relapse i wanted to get high i duno y.

So for those who dont know me i have bin using heroin for the past 10 years i am now 27.

So a month and a half ago i decided to go on methadone for the first time in my life.

I got up to 60mg and on Monday morning said fuck it and decided not to go anymore.

So it is Thursday now and to be honest i dont feel that bad and i am wondering why.

These are my symptoms.
1. No sleep last night
2.Real sweety
3.Lower back pain
Dont get me wrong i def feel like shit but i just thought i should feel worse like i dont have diareaha or stuff like that.

I do have some spare 10mg methadone pills at home and yesterday and today i took 5mg once in the morning thats it.

So i basically have a couple questions for someone experienced with methadone

1.Should i feel worse?
2.Is the 5mg i took yesterday and today really keeping me from crazy wd?
3.Is a month and a half considered a long time on done and should i expereience like a 6 month wd or i should get off easier cuz of a month and a half on at 60mg?
4.Should i continue taking 5mg evrey morning or is it not doing anything im really not sure?

So any advice would be greatly appreciated
Thanx guys Long Live Bluelight!!!!
 
The half life of methadone varies greatly from person to person.. it has been seen to vary from 10-140 hours. Also even though I had a huge habit I felt that when I was in a bind 10 mgs methadone or even five would stave off almost all the hardcore withdrawals. I hope you slide right through this detox feeling no worse than you do now. But remember it takes around two weeks to detox methadone and thats from the last dose.
 
So youre saying the 5mg is helping alot, I woulda never thought that cuz i know how benzo's and heroin works and if i take one tenth of a normal dose for heroin or benzos it wouldnt do shit.

I Really want to stop taking all these drugs but i just cant seem to.

I feel like after being on methadone and going to the shitty clinic evreyday i learnt some kind of lesson and hopefully i will stay clean..
 
Well if your half life is pretty long then you wont likely start to withdraw to hard untill like day three or even longer and If you have a similar reaction to low doses of methadone as i do then you will have staved them off for longer. what medications are you planning on using for the withdrawal?
 
I dont really have any medications that i plan on taking except for some immodium when eventually my stomach is gonna b fucked up eventho its never really helped me much in the past.

I also have a bunch of xanax the 2mg bars but ever since i went thru benzo wd 2 years ago when i was court ordered rehab i still fill my scripts but i dont take them. I havent taken one in a while.

Im to scared from xanax since i was once addicted to them im not sure how many doses of the xanax would throw me back in wd.

So its pretty much cold turkey unless u can suggest something otc.

I also blaze but only at night cuz i work all day and will be working all thru this i cannot get time off.

Also what u think i should do with my remaining 40mg?

By the way thanx for taking ur time to reply much appreicated
 
maybe skip a morning or two of the 5mg and see what happens..1.5 months isn't all that long so hopefully
it won't be bad at all
methadone w/d hit me worst on about day 5..like it's been said, half life and all that.
w/d is so individual and where you are emotionally plays a huge part in how it goes down..
definitely speaking from experience there.
higher dose immodium during the worst of it can eliminate up to 85-90% of the physical symptoms..obviously that's imo.
god how I wish i'd known that back then.
good luck..<3
i think it's a great thing..you quitting quickly before your habit/tolerance builds..
the w/d from long term use really is a bitch..
this is really the smartest thing you could do..speaking strictly from a physical pov.
i hope it's a smooth run for you.
 
If you are unable or dont want to hit up a Dr then I would explore the use of Phenibut.. its an analog of the GABA just like lyrica or neurontin and it will likely make a big difference on your symptoms.

As far as the xanax and returning to a physical dependence I feel that if you were to take a dose just at night for a week you would have a 0% chance or returning to a dependency. one of the greatest things about benzos is that they aren't addicting.. hell of a physical dependence.. but after we get through that no real desire to use them at all.. wish to hell it worked like that with opiates.

So whats your plan for living a peaceful and successful life free from the opiates?
 
neversickanymore said:
one of the greatest things about benzos is that they aren't addicting.. hell of a physical dependence.. but after we get through that no real desire to use them at all.. wish to hell it worked like that with opiates.
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wait..what?
i'd say out of every drug i've ever used and it's been too many at this point..
nothing's been more addictive than benzos..
obviously, in my own personal experience.

but yeah, op.
i'd agree..drop the Xanax at night for a week and allow yourself sleep..
insomnia's so weakening in every way.

edit: side discussion can be found continued here Do benzodiazepines cause addiction as well as physical dependence?
 
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As for the debate between u two. I kinda agree with NSA as for my case for a simple reason.

I never really got any real enjoyment for benzos. I started taking a stick a night a few years ago only for sleep.

Then somehow it progressed to taking 3 to 4 or 5 a day i never really understood y i am takingk so much it kinda became habitual.

Then 2 years ago i caught a charge and was court ordered 1 year drug court inpatient so i had to stop evreything cold tukey.

That was pure hell it was like all the opiate wd symptoms plus my heart wanting to jump out my body all day long it was terrible i didnt sleep for months and just felt like shit.

So i was defenetly physically dependent not so much mentally cuz i never got real enjoyment from them.

So if u guys say its ok to take it only at night for a week and not get wd then i guess i would b cool with doing that.

But NSA u asked a good ? what i have in store to stay sober. The answer is im still not so sure what i will do im just getting older and i feel like i cant keep doing this.

My life currently sux my girl of 4+ years left me which really hurts im stuck in a dead end job working for my father so my real motivation to stay clean is to get a fucking life tbh.

To be honest i slipped last night at like 1am cuz i couldnt sleep and took another 5mg of methadone but this morning i didnt take anything and i still feel really shit but def manageable.

From what i started feeling last night and waking up feeling real fucked up i can tel this wd will only get worse once i stop taking the 5mg a day but im just real scared to stay on methadone any longer cuz then i really will never quit.

AHHHHHHHH this is such a fucked up game i hate it lol
 
just honestly..
if you got no enjoyment out of the benzo..
why did it progress to dosing 4 or 5 times during the day?
I mean, I remember when ambien used to work for sleep..but i'd
never have dosed any other time than night time..as it wasn't ever enjoyable
beyond ah..i get to sleep tonight.
I've a very difficult time rationalizing that beyond addiction, honestly.

it seems you're cautious enough that dosing at night for a week and stopping shouldn't
be a problem..and as long as you can keep it to that short amount of time..
you're not risking becoming physically dependent or w/d'ing from the benzo again.
 
It progressed to 4 or 5 a day cuz at the time i was pretty broke and had no job and was home alot.

So i felt like when i would take xanax it would make the day alil more bearable since i was always dope sick cuz i didnt have much money. When i say it made it bearble i mean by it used to make time go faster.

So i never really enjoyed xanax just look at it more like a antibiotic for a sickness then a recreational drug.

Trust me if i got any eupohria and real enjoyment from them i %99.9 would still be abusing them today so i am actually really greatful for the fact that i dont really get much from benzo's same as i never shot a speedball cuz i despise a coke high.
 
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Well shit finally hit the fan I am sick ad a fucking dog man I don't know what to do now I'm almost out of meth and I can't take time off I'm so fucked what should I do?
 
How long since your last dose did it kick in? just want to know so I can give you an honest time line as to when you will slide outat the forst tunnel. shit If I did this then so can you. If you have any money to see a dr or order similar medications off the internet then I would take this opertunity. Hey this gets rough.. but your going to make it.. easiest thing to think about is that you will need to do this at some point, ain't nothing left for you back their. fight, fight, m fight<3<3<3
 
totach said:
Well shit finally hit the fan I am sick ad a fucking dog man I don't know what to do now I'm almost out of meth and I can't take time off I'm so fucked what should I do?
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go to a big chain store..stock up on loperamide..
try out a good 20-25mg dose..
I jumped off c/t at about 100mg/day..
and worked the entire time.
it's a hardcore withdrawal..
but it's do-able..
lean on the good ones in your life..
and post/vent here as much as you can stand.
a lot of us have been where you are.
there's nowhere but up at this point..
sometimes it's minute by minute-
just hang in..<3
 
How many methadone tablets do you have left? If you can get by taking some Xanax tonight for sleep. Then in the morning, use the methadone. I'm assuming you have to get up in the morning for work right?
 
Im honestly getting to a point where i dont know if i even want to put in the effort to be clean anymore

Whats the fucking point. Im miserable either way i have nothing left to b sober for

Im tearing up writing this but ive tried evreything
1.Rapid detox
2. so many nice rehabs
3.was clean for a year due to court mandation
4.did ibogaine
Ive had so many chances that other people dont have the luxury to try n i still go back.

I lost my girl which i still cant comprehend or face n its bin 6 months

I hate my job i live at home now whats the fucking point?

Im sitting at work my back is killing me from wd pain n all i can think about is how can i do this.

Sorry guys just venting..........
 
Every pain suffering equals joy after. It's the circle of life you just have to be strong to get through all the things that are happening with you. You may feel miserable now but later on when you have passed all of that you will feel amazing. The WD part is normal and most of us here on BL have gone through worst stages so hang in there and be strong.
 
Just hang in there mate , You are going to get through it , you fell like dying but thats how you and every body else has felt when they are hanging out or withdrawing . I just got off methadone after ten years use . . I think every time you take a 5mg methadone you are pro longing the w.d . Taking a 5mg every 3 or 4 days might get your tolerence to methadone way down but it is dragging your w.d on and on . Be careful right now because your really in a bad head space . I must confess im using suboxone now but that was my plan so i can get weekly take away to keep a job . I will reduce my suboxone and jump off when possible .Best of luck and it is possible to jump off done after only a month and a half or so . But the 5mg is the reason you are able to make it to work i would say .
 
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If you think you have it in you to fight through, do so. There is better success at long-term sobriety because you will know that you have earned that sobriety the hard way. Makes it a hell of a lot harder to look at a dose as a fun time if you are tempted in the future, because you will know what it'll cost.

That being said. Due to the long half-life of methadone I'd ask if you've considered switching to kratom and then tapering down from there.

Dosing with kratom for 20-30 days until the methadone leaves your system and then only have to suffer the kratom withdrawl (no walk in the park but much shorter and possibly less intense)

It will shorten the amount of time you have to spend like this especially if you can't get the time off work.

Utilizing kratom for Opiate Withdrawal
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/493024-Utilising-Kratom-for-Opiate-Withdrawal
 
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Thanx for all the responses i really appreciate it i check in all the time and really take all the advice to heart.

As for today i didnt sleep at all last night it was really painful tossing and turning all night till i had to go to work.

Its so hard to go thru a night like that and then go to work and suffer all day at work with annoying back pain and being annoyed with evrey customer.

I feel really bad about that cuz i work for my father and i feel like i loose money for him cuz i cant stand dealing with customers when i feel like this.

The worst part about the situation is it takes me a really long time to heal i dont know why cuz i am built pretty well and really dont look much like a drug user.

When i was mandated to drug court for a year i promise i didnt sleep for months and if i did catch a half hour or so i did not feel it.

So just knowing that makes it so much harder knowing i got months ahead of me of feeling like shit. Even after ibogaine i really didnt feel much different when evreyone else felt like a million bucks.

So im down to my last 10mg of methadone and im pretty much done after that i can buy more but i dont want to.

As for switching to kratom or suboxone i would prefer not to cuz im just gonna have to deal with that later.

Ive bin thru this so many times i really hope something will be different this time and i wont use ever again i will def keep updating how im doing. Also im still not taking any xanax cuz i figure i might as well wait untill i stop taking that 5mg evreyday eventho i allready feel like shit and cant sleep for shit.
 
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